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Posted by randyo on Tue Feb 11 17:09:20 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Tue Feb 11 14:19:35 2020. Would there be any restriction on NYCTA employees? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 11 17:28:18 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 11 16:53:14 2020. A and B Division cars got the AC retrofits done very differently. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Feb 11 19:46:09 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by mack c-49 on Mon Feb 10 08:58:28 2020. It's true the heat in the stations wasn't as bad before the trains had a/c. Wall St. on the 4/5 can be unbearable in a summer afternoon rush hour as I am sure many others are. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Feb 11 19:49:51 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Steamdriven on Tue Feb 11 16:59:15 2020. There would be no screeching brake shoes if the dynamic brake was working as designed. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Feb 11 19:56:10 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Feb 11 01:46:00 2020. I agree the R32 cars were outstanding with the original blue doors and end roll signs and marker lights. The only car that compares is the R33/36WF. Some people claim that they rode better before GOH. I rode them a few times on the N and the Q and always enjoyed them. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Feb 11 20:06:24 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by murray1575 on Tue Feb 11 19:46:09 2020. How hard would it be to punch 2 holes in the sidewalk or buy a part of a building near the hottest stations, and create vent towers? There appear to be vent buildings for the river tunnels, mini versions could do for regular subway lines.If the city was smart, they'd use semi-reflective pavement on the avenues. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Feb 11 20:39:55 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Tue Feb 11 14:19:35 2020. I'd love to go, but unfortunately with it being short notice on a weekday morning I doubt I'd be able to make it either. :(Thanks tho. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 11 20:44:06 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 11 16:58:02 2020. did they put LU restrictions on those new trains to avoid graffiti?I'd keep those on tracks less likely to attract vandals. Yeah the R 40 and R 42 trains were a treat on the Eastern Div. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 11 20:55:11 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020. I'm sure there will be lots of footage posted. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 12 01:32:06 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 11 17:28:18 2020. Why? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 12 01:32:59 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 11 20:44:06 2020. When I was a M/M from 1968 to 1970s there was not yet a graffiti problem. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Feb 12 02:28:32 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Feb 11 12:55:36 2020. These trips are extras.... |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Feb 12 02:33:17 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 10 16:27:51 2020. Not for long..... |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Feb 12 02:34:34 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 10 22:32:33 2020. Soon...Very soon.... |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Feb 12 03:58:33 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 11 17:28:18 2020. How? What forced the change of bulkheads? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 12 04:46:02 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Feb 11 01:46:00 2020. I remember their as-delivered appearance very well. My very first subway ride was on a shiny new R-32 N train on July 21, 1965. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Feb 12 05:46:28 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Feb 10 19:21:29 2020. The R-32's are more stylish than the cars which came later, with the possible exception of the R-40 Slants. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 12 06:48:45 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020. Just saw the train going southbound bypassing West 4th Street this morning (Wednesday 2/12/2020) at 6:02 am, and it is all signed for the "A". Cars to be used for the last hurrah, based upon what I was able to jot down quickly, as the train was going at a fast clip, are as follows from south end to north end motors...4826-4827, 4831-4830, 4807-4806, 4797-4796, 4791-4790. And so it goes... -William A. Padron ["A"] |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Feb 12 08:39:33 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Feb 12 02:28:32 2020. How is it going to fit in the schedule and work without hogging a pocket at Far Rock and Inwood for too long? |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Feb 12 08:39:53 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Feb 12 02:34:34 2020. Are they really going to do it by March? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 12 08:58:46 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Feb 12 08:39:33 2020. good point. It's not like so many other terminals where trains are so late as soon as they enter the terminal they leave right away and there are rarely 2 trains in the pocket. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 12 09:01:19 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Feb 12 08:39:53 2020. Last I heard, it was down to six sets of them in service on the "A" and "C" lines. One source told me that the R-32's would going out either this March or April 2020.And so it goes... -William A. Padron ["IND"] |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Feb 12 10:02:42 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 12 09:01:19 2020. Right now, it's still about 50/50 between R32 and R179 on the C... |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Feb 12 10:05:49 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 12 08:58:46 2020. With the headways out of Far Rock at that time of day, they might be "in and out" for at least one interval....Now up at 207, that's another story... |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Feb 12 10:30:58 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 10 12:52:18 2020. I remember as a teen... a fellow transitbuff friend and I were at Stillwell, and two consists of R27/30 units were at the Brighton Platform (Track 5 and 6???) and we made a point to look for any visual differences. I'm still convinced those classes were as identical (in appearance) as the R32/R32A and R26/R28. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Feb 12 10:42:07 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 9 17:41:09 2020. I remember seeing them (pre-GOH) regularly, but I can only recall riding them with the A/C actually working very few times. That was at the time when the R38 lived primarily on the AA/B lines. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 12 12:53:02 2020, in response to Car Numbers In Consist Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 12 06:48:45 2020. Ah. 4806/07. 2 of my favorites from the D back in the early to mid 80's when I worked there. The highest numbered pair with original D signs.Naturally I also operated them many times post GOH on the J/M. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Feb 12 12:56:33 2020, in response to Re: Car Numbers In Consist Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 12 12:53:02 2020. Yep, 6 of those were inaugurated on the D. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 12 13:28:19 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by WayneJay on Wed Feb 12 10:30:58 2020. The only difference I remember in the R27/30 from a passenger standpoint was the sounds made by the doors opening and closing. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 12 14:05:44 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 11 16:58:02 2020. James Greller's "NYC Subway Cars" has an awesome, taken-at-sunset picture of a train with an R40M lead motor (can't see the rest of the train) at Rockaway Parkway (LL) in 1969. Also visible in the pic are SLECO street lights-IMO, the best looking ones NYC ever had- and an A&P supermarket. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 12 14:24:56 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 11 00:42:18 2020. From a foaming anal nitpickers (like me as a kid) observations, there were slight interior differences I spotted in the R33WF & R36WF cars that didn't stand out immediately. I noticed that the coaxial fan grilles on the singles were different than on the married R36 pairs.In addition the car number decals at the ends by the builders plate on the R33 singles were on a white backround wheras on the married R36WF pairs, the number decals were on a blue backround! I should have been a detective!!:) |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Feb 12 14:38:12 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 12 14:05:44 2020. Deskey poles. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 12 15:46:17 2020, in response to Re: Car Numbers In Consist Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Feb 12 12:56:33 2020. With the other 4 originally from the RR. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 12 15:57:01 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Feb 12 10:05:49 2020. At 207 St the T/D could always get a station T/O to drop the train down to 200 St middle till the pocket clears. |
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Posted by Widecab5 on Wed Feb 12 15:58:17 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020. So does the R-42 have a good Retirement Plan?(LOL!) Below is copied a (personal) "eulogy" which I at first penned to a friend back over New Year's when we thought they were already gone. With what has happened since, it's even more fitting to this day's "funeral" procession on the A train. High kudos to NYCT indeed. Let's hope this becomes a habit when so befit! This was written a month and a half ago as my wordage was even choppy than it is now as I continue to recover from the December stroke, here with a slight edit: "The R-42s Across (My) Lifetime": How more appropriate for the very last for the R-42 in revenue service across many many of those 50 years of "colorful" service in the entire NYC Subway system, which was that single fleet ran from the upper edge of the Bronx (Norwood) to the Farrest of the Rockaways and every place in between. Through their 50 years the R-42s ran on the A, AA, B, CC, C, D, E, EE, F, GG, HH, J, K (twice), KK (twice), LL, L, M, N, QB, QJ, Q (Circle and Diamond), RR, R, SS, V, W, Z and maybe ever more I forget off hand. Maybe even the Bird a time. My favorite era was their 24/7 a tough tough assignment on the old "Dog" (D) out of Concourse shop, between 205 Street and Coney Island. I can still visualize that sign to enter the mezzanine at Atlantic Avenue after transferring off the LIRR (then with almost all M-1) "All Trains D M QB," all then for 50 cents a token. It was those R-40M/42 trains that made that very first roar to advertise the start off a long day at The Stadium, be the day or the trains be they cold, hot, light, dark, both outside AND inside. Those R-42s made a long day bearable against an often ugly subway scene. ESPECIALLY to begin the journey to and from that "Big Ball Park in the Bronx" as was described by my long departed friend, former Yankees announcer Jim Woods when he was working for The Sox. He used to be a partner for no other than the great Mel Allen. Long rides both ways, day in, day out and each stop all my way between the Bronx and Flatbush LIRR an R-42, maybe an R-44 now and then otherwise, but always they made it bearable be us cold, hot, light, dark, both outside AND inside. Thanks to their mixed tour of boredom, entertainment and history underneath the streets of the world's Biggest Apple. That was in the hot summer of 1977 and I has been on the subway ever since. To me, the R-68s (now 34 years of their own!) continue to show their spirit as they still wear Pinstripes of their own. So many people, so many places now gone and at last they are all now joined by those R-42s, at last! You've all finally gone to join the eternity of my best baseball buddy, Number 15, The Captain, Thurman Munson who left us all far too much early. I found the meaning of pain as a kid when Yooch was crying in the New York Daily News that Thursday on that R-42. Thankfully, the R-42s got to achieve their final maturity of a long career of 50 years in "Father Knickerbocker's sluggish circulation." RIP my friends! George C. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 12 16:02:25 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Feb 12 05:46:28 2020. While I preferred the R-32s operationally, I don't think the R-38s were any less stylish although I think the sheen on the R-38s would have been nicer if the cars had been manufactured by Buss instead of St Louis. Also, if they had been built by Budd, they might very well still be operating today although probably at the expense of the R-32s which may have ended up being scrapped sooner. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 12 16:04:19 2020, in response to Car Numbers In Consist Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 12 06:48:45 2020. I remember when they were brand new just delivered to 207 St Yd in the spring of 1969. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 12 16:40:44 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 12 14:05:44 2020. If it was in 1969, then the entire consist was R-40Ms. That was the same train I mentioned that I operated in June of that year when 3 X 6 car trains of R-40Ms were sent to the 14 St Line to give Canarsie passengers their promised A/C trains by a certain date sine the Eastern’s R-42s were not yet available for service. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 12 16:48:30 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 12 14:24:56 2020. For some reason the R-33 singles had fans manufactured by the Trane company instead of the usual axiflow fans as found on most SMEE equipment. The same type of fans were retrofitted to the 10 R-17s that originally had A/C when the A/‘C was removed. |
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Posted by W.B. on Wed Feb 12 18:18:19 2020, in response to Car Numbers In Consist Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 12 06:48:45 2020. I was on that last run. Next year at this time, there'll be a Rail Almanac entry of this final run.I took in the atmosphere quietly, unlike the younger yahoos with their devices crowding around like bees in a hive. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Feb 12 18:28:04 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020. Some of the cars in the consist had pre GOH signs printed over the post GOH rollsigns, that was a nice touch. They also gave out R42 pins which was cool.If the R32 retirement run is on the A or C line I'll probably pass, its too hectic being around railfans in the masses. I now have a headache lol but then again I pretty much rode the train the entire day from the first stop at Eucild until the last stop at Eucild. Normally when fanning the subway I only do so for a few hours in the afternoon/early evening. And I rarely ever stay on the same train for longer than 40 minutes or so. Next thing to catch, R46 Q train which is now a thing outside of the AM rush, I never rode a 46 on Brighton or Second Ave. All in all, I'm glad the MTA had this event for the R42 cars. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 12 22:52:22 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Feb 12 10:02:42 2020. Have any R32s actually been retired recently? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Feb 12 23:28:14 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 12 22:52:22 2020. Removed from daily service not necessarily retired though |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Feb 13 07:38:17 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 12 14:24:56 2020. Relatedly, there's tiny differences in the light fixtures on R68s and R68As. (In my observation, the R68As are pretty much on the B, nowadays, so I'm not aboard them very often). On the R68s, the emergency lights are contained within the regular light fixtures, whereas on the R68As there's a separate lens for the emergency lights- near some or all of the doors.On the R142 and R142As (and R188s), the font on the car number plates is different- the digits are thinner on the R142s. Another difference between those cars are the LED signs facing each car end that show the time an next station. I happen to prefer the R142As on account of both of these features. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Feb 13 07:46:18 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 10 22:32:33 2020. As a railfan and R32 fan, I will miss them terribly. I remember them on the intro footage for the Channel 5 news at 10 PM, among other things.But I do admit that as a practical matter, they need to go- just like the SI ferryboat John F. Kennedy, which I will also miss, and Fishbowl buses. No machine holds up forever, and when the R32s made their return to the C a few weeks ago (I know some are always there), it was obvious some had been brought out of long term storage. The brakes sounded like they were locking up and causing skidding as the trains stopped. Perhaps Train Dude can advise as to what that sound really was- I doubt the TA would run trains that were actually skidding around. The sound was a staccato chopping.. Even as a non-professional (no operating or mechanical experience), I could see and hear how finished the Redbirds were in 2000-2002, the R42s in the last 3 years, and while the R32s don't look quite as bad, I accept that their time is up. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Feb 13 07:52:18 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Feb 11 19:49:51 2020. Could you explain that? I'm not being stupid or sarcastic- I'd really like to know how those systems work together.I don't have the greatest mechanical mind, but I will try to understand. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Feb 13 07:54:35 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Steamdriven on Tue Feb 11 16:59:15 2020. I agree with you, Steamdriven. I've worked for a NYS agency (NOT transportation related in any way) for 26.5 years. Overall, it's been great for me, but they've been "reforming" the titles and eroding civil service completely- almost all new employees will be non-competitive or exempt- even for small stuff.I'm glad I'm in my last few, and not my first few, years. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 13 08:27:30 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Feb 13 07:46:18 2020. It has been ~30 years since their GOH, which they got when they were ~25. No doubt another one can fix the brakes and doors. But at 55 years old, not worth it. Even Budd equipment with 7 - 8 million miles on it doesn't last forever.If a half dozen sets of R32's are running this summer, they should put them on the J/Z to minimize AC problems. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 13 09:15:13 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 13 08:27:30 2020. Things will last as long as you want them to.They’re saying the last of the 32s will be in March or April. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Feb 13 09:21:26 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Feb 9 17:24:51 2020. The "A" is kind of the signature line of the IND system - its the longest, passes through three boroughs and has its own Jazz Age song. |
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