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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 10 12:35:55 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 10 07:41:10 2020. That was on my "wish List". That and the (2) SOAC cars mated with R/44B cars./======][=====][======][======\ |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 10 12:36:46 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 10 12:08:45 2020. Where is it? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 10 12:37:52 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 10 12:14:47 2020. So, there is a glimmer of hope. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 10 12:42:10 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by mack c-49 on Mon Feb 10 08:58:28 2020. That and the removal of many surface grates and the sealing and closing of many exit/entrances. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 10 12:51:02 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 10 12:17:52 2020. Wasn't there also a subclass R30A ? City-owned ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 10 12:52:18 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 10 12:16:09 2020. Any difference in amount of standees poles, aluminum cap over middle of side door frame ? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 10 12:56:49 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 10 12:52:18 2020. I don’t know. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Feb 10 13:34:46 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020. I wish I can ride it. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 10 14:10:47 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 10 12:14:47 2020. I hope they grab some of the parts from the R-42's before they get scrapped. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Feb 10 14:23:40 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020. GOOD BYE RAIL FAN WINDOW |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 10 14:28:44 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by mack c-49 on Mon Feb 10 08:58:28 2020. I nearly passed out and/or melted in Canal Street (R/W platform, Downtown side) in July 2018.. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 10 16:21:40 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 10 12:08:45 2020. Then since such a pair already exists, it should be included in the train of many metals. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 10 16:26:35 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 10 12:52:18 2020. No difference in the number of standee poles, but the fixtures that secure the poles to the floor and ceiling are slightly different between the 2 types. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 10 16:27:09 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 10 12:51:02 2020. Yes, and those cars were all GE. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 10 16:27:51 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Feb 10 14:23:40 2020. Well, there are still a few R-32s left. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 10 16:51:17 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 10 14:28:44 2020. There are plenty of places to melt.179......168......Parsons Archer.....World Trade Center......the underground terminals are worse because of trains laying over. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Feb 10 17:14:10 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 10 16:27:51 2020. THATS TRUE |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 10 17:15:46 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 10 12:52:18 2020. And you say that you are not a foamer. No real transit person would care. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Feb 10 17:24:39 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020. Will the train board at the museum? Is that section invitation-only? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 10 17:36:55 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 10 17:15:46 2020. I am not interested in most triva. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 10 17:53:01 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 10 12:16:09 2020. From memory, I couldn't. I thought of the R27/30s in a similar situation as the R12/14s inasmuch as they were identical cars with different contract numbers. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 10 17:54:07 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 10 17:53:01 2020. And with R21/22. minor difference in grab straps. |
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Posted by MTA T on Mon Feb 10 17:56:08 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 10 12:36:46 2020. Coney Island Yard |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Feb 10 19:21:29 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020. When the R32s time comes, which hopefully weeks or months from now rather than years, I hope they have the final run on the N line or even the D line since they ran on every B div line post GOH EXCEPT for the D line. Throw the railfans one last bone. R32s glory days were spent in the Southern BMT so it would be only fitting if the final revenue run is in the southern BMT.I cannot wait for the final R32 run, the overzealous fans of that car type are beginning to be insufferable. Whats funny is the biggest "fans" of that car class are young ppl who never even rode the pre GOH version of the 32s. The post GOH R32 is a tad bit overrated by some railfans. The post GOH 32s were most known having loud screeching brakes compared to other car types and having unreliable A/C during the summer. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 10 19:47:45 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Feb 10 13:34:46 2020. Me too man |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 10 22:32:33 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Feb 10 19:21:29 2020. I agree and will shed no tears. Those cars have had it and need to be taken out of their misery. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Feb 11 00:42:18 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 10 17:53:01 2020. There was actually a difference between the R-12 and 14s that would stand out immediately, the floors. The R-12s had blue floors with orange stripes leading to the doors and orange diamond shapes under the standee poles like the R-10s. The R-14s had plain dark maroon solid color floors. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Feb 11 00:48:35 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 10 17:54:07 2020. There were more differences between the R-21s and 22s than just the grab straps. The R-21s had backwards opening cab doors like the R-62s before the RFW was eliminated. The R-22s were also the first cars to have factory installed seal beam headlights and interior guard lights which were originally blue. Also the passenger emergency feature that consisted of a small hammer and a glass that could be broken by passengers in emergencies was eliminated and only an employee key could open that single door panel. Also of interest more to employees than passengers, trainline control of car body lights was moved from a key switch outside the storm door under the end sign was moved inside the M/M’s cab. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Feb 11 01:33:00 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 10 16:21:40 2020. My sentiments exactly. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Feb 11 01:42:33 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 10 16:21:40 2020. I don't think it would be in good taste since a TO was killed in that crash. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Feb 11 01:46:00 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Feb 10 19:21:29 2020. Well, I'm an "overzealous" 68-year-old fan of the Brightliners, and I'm happy to be considered among the "young ppl". I remember those glory days on the Q Brighton Express, how they were outstanding with their glistening stainless appearance, blue doors, blue number plates light blue seats, yellow lettering. Even the Budd company logo on the manufacturer plates. I wish a married pair had been kept in the original appearance. The GOH gave them air-conditioning but ruined their appearance and atmosphere. The Brightliners were built to last the rigors of New York, and have proven it. But I'll let the professionals decide when it's time for them to go. I hope some will be saved by the Transit Museum and at least a dozen all tolled by the various museums. To last 50+ years in New York is a rare accomplishment. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Feb 11 01:46:43 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by VictorM on Tue Feb 11 01:42:33 2020. Hmmmm. I didn't realize that. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 11 04:45:53 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020. it was a treat to see the R-42 on the M or L in the 1970's.One time when I was about 7 we went to the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade. I really didn't care about the parade I just wanted to ride the train. The thing I remember most about that day was we had an R-42 on the way home. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 11 06:52:52 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Feb 11 01:46:00 2020. The biggest loss was the front end indicators. Covering the front with riveted sheet metal was practical but ugly. The loss of the blue doors wasn't quite as bad, since the new doors were at least designed to match the rest of the car. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Feb 11 10:08:20 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 11 06:52:52 2020. The front bulkhead was indeed a big, big loss. How could the IRT cars have been retrofitted with A/C and retain their bulkheads and R32/R38s could not? It is beyond my understanding. I would have liked for them to retain their metal hold-ons or "straps" too. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Feb 11 11:39:33 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 9 22:33:00 2020. It is going to the Rockaways.Departs Euclid Avenue southbound at 10:30 AM, bound for Far Rockaway. Departs Far Rockaway northbound at 11:30 AM, bound for Inwood - 207 Street. Then it makes a final run southbound back to Euclid Avenue. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Feb 11 12:05:44 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Feb 11 01:46:00 2020. There's two pairs apart of the museum fleet already, however they are phase two R32s and the ones still running are phase one. Maybe save one phase 1 pair, so an pair that actually ran 55+ years is apart of the TM fleet. I think any more than 3 pairs kept *in the subway system* is excessive IMO. I'd have no issue with R32 pairs going to the trolley museums. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Feb 11 12:52:29 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 9 17:15:07 2020. They are already removed. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Feb 11 12:55:36 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Feb 11 11:39:33 2020. In the schedule, there is a 10:28 leaving Euclid, arriving at Far Rock at 11:06.There is an 11:35 from Far Rock, getting to 207 at 1:17. There is a 1:29 from 207, getting to Euclid at 2:31. Are these trips extras? If so, wouldn't this ruin regular service? |
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Posted by pelham exp on Tue Feb 11 13:00:17 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Feb 11 11:39:33 2020. Can you msg me offline. --Steve |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Tue Feb 11 13:03:54 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Nilet on Mon Feb 10 17:24:39 2020. Let me find out and get back to you. Are you a member of the Museum? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Feb 11 13:24:47 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Feb 11 12:55:36 2020. Not unless they put in a supplement schedule.If they didn't, some regular A train may wait a heck of a long time to get into Far Rock station with the "special" occupying one of the station tracks. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Feb 11 13:47:15 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Tue Feb 11 13:03:54 2020. Yes. |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Tue Feb 11 14:19:35 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Nilet on Tue Feb 11 13:47:15 2020. They weren't planning on inviting Museum members to the 9:15 am press event at the Museum but everyone is invited to join at Euclid. I was invited to the Museum along with a guest or 2. I invited Bill from Maspeth and Larry (IRTREDBIRD)but both had prior commitments so I probably wasn't going to attend myself. If you really want to go to the Museum event msg me offline. |
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Posted by zac on Tue Feb 11 14:28:45 2020, in response to R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Feb 9 11:21:20 2020. I just got the email from the Transit Museum and found out something I didn't know. The original pantograph gates at the ends were donated from the scrapped R9s. I don't know if they are still the ones on them now or if they were replaced. That would make at least one part of the R42 at least 80 years old. |
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Posted by zac on Tue Feb 11 14:36:21 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Feb 10 12:14:47 2020. That pair would show up regularly on the B before they were replaced by the R68s, which were in turn replaced by the R160 on the Q. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Feb 11 16:18:01 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Feb 11 13:24:47 2020. Supplements are put into tripplanner, and there was no supplement. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Feb 11 16:53:14 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Feb 11 10:08:20 2020. I agree with that. It goes beyond the scope of reasonability that the smaller iRT cars could have retained the full end sign and marker assembly while the larger BMT/IND cars could not. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Feb 11 16:58:02 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 11 04:45:53 2020. When I was a M/M in 1969 there were R-42s on the L (LL) although the first train of A/C cars on the LL was a train of R-40Ms which made its first trip on the 511 out of canarsie on the morning of June 20 1969 with me as the M/M. The reason for the 40Ms was that the people in Canarsie were promised A/C trains by a certain date and since the newly delivered R-42s were having problems, 3 X 6 car trains of R-40Ms were fitted with Eastern Div signs and sent to ENY Yd for LL service. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Feb 11 16:59:15 2020, in response to Re: R-42 Retirement Run, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Feb 10 19:21:29 2020. For many of us, the point of the R32s isn't that they're better/best/good or even meh subway cars today. They're obviously not, especially when fitted with screeching brake shoes (which could be fixed, if MTA cared). The point is something else entirely.They were Made In USA, made to last, made with pride. The design was done by some guy whose Dad was probably a mill worker and who lifted himself up to be an engineer. The steel came from ore mined in the USA (plus chromium and nickel from across the world, yeah). The steel itself was made in a huge furnace with an American Flag out front, was welded by Joe and machined by Johann America. That steel was a better grade than any subway car needs, it's still a brilliant mirror-like metal after half a century of abusive chemical washes. It shines with pride. The Budd company was owned by managed, crewed and stewed by for and within the USA. Those cars didn't have to be built that well, but the Budd Company was proud of their work, and their country. Sure, we can become a country whose remaining industries are management, finance, Hollywood and reality TV, served by an army of attendants and chauffeurs where the only remaining stable jobs are in government and drug rehab, where it is all kept afloat by borrowing from China and the GCC, until the day they don't want our paper. Or we can build that, design this, mill and machine, program and invent, and be our own masters. It's an old subway car. It's also a milepost. Do we continue on the track of hollowing out the USA, or do we go back to building a brilliant future? |
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