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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:48:12 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 19:22:10 2015. No they don't. You can still board your train from any stairway. Sit at the west end of LIRR trains. No difference from the IND. Slightly longer walk from the IRT if you actually want to go into Moynihan. But it would be purely voluntary. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 19:48:59 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:44:25 2015. How far did they travel to get to the train to Penn Station ?They pay 3 figures to go to a game, but can't go 2 Avenue blocks. Ridiculous. If they are alcoholics and can't make the trip, GOOD. I don't want them puking and spilling beer on my train. Neither do the crews. Let them sit behind their 72" LED TV's at home. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:49:22 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 19:45:29 2015. 6and Brooklyn Nets 1 pre-season game. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 19:53:43 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:48:12 2015. Actually, no.Amtrak train would not be announced from the main concourse as now, just NJT. You'd have to head over to Moynihan to board. We can get into getting on Amtrak from the various lower level concourses, but most people don't, and there is the occasional Amtrak cop with nothing else to do than turn you back. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:54:57 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:46:09 2015. They should move MSG to the site of Javits Center. Nice and convenient by LIRR and NJ Transit. And lots of subway lines. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jan 13 20:32:56 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 19:53:43 2015. Actually, no.Actually, yes. Amtrak train would not be announced from the main concourse as now, just NJT. You'd have to head over to Moynihan to board.Huh? Since when do they announce trains? There are status monitors all over Penn Station. You can board anywhere. And there will probably be apps for Amtrak in the future that tell you your track number so you won't even need to look at a physical status monitor in the station. So I don't know what you're smoking. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jan 13 20:33:21 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:54:57 2015. OK troll. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 20:43:34 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jan 13 20:33:21 2015. No really.If the Yankees can draw in the Bronx. If Radio City can do well all the way on the in the middle of nowhere near commuter railroad, then MSG, while facing stiffer competition than ever before, should leave it's current location. I stand corrected. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 22:24:39 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 19:48:59 2015. Lol!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 22:26:11 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:49:22 2015. Lol. Not much at all |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 22:33:32 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 22:26:11 2015. Thanks for trolling.AHL team will play at Nassau. And that's just hockey. Family shows, circus, wrestling, all compete for dollars. If LI people can't simply get on the train and be in the basement of MSG it's not good for MSG. It makes no sense to relocate to a location less convenient by public transportation. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jan 13 22:48:11 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 20:43:34 2015. You can't troll me. You WISH you could troll me. Please hand in your troll card. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 22:54:29 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 22:26:11 2015. and MSG's top competitor, Barclays Center, does have LIRR and a subway hub. Last thing MSG would want to do is be in a part of Manhattan where they give that up.Moving MSG is bad business. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jan 13 23:31:27 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 22:54:29 2015. wrong |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 14 05:03:25 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 19:41:22 2015. how far is the walk to Barclays?Not far. Moving MSG more than an avenue away would not be good. Convenience is a big selling point for MSG. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 14 05:15:06 2015, in response to Re: Madison Square Garden, posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 13 09:31:30 2015. MSG already got a huge tax break to renovate and because they bitched it was not fair that Barclays Center got one too.One might dispute how much MSG home teams contribute to the local economy. Maybe some fans eat or shop before or after an event. Especially the alcoholic element the Rangers attract who booze up hard before a game so they're buzzed and only need 2 or 3 more beers in the Garden to be totally drunk. But it just seems like everyone is so in a rush to get in and out of that place. Race to LIRR to catch the train. Race to fucked up subways dealing with GO's when event is over. Race to get the car out of parking lot before 10 other people are waiting first. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jan 14 07:08:09 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by VictorM on Thu Jan 8 10:09:22 2015. LOL!! |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jan 14 07:21:27 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Jan 7 09:55:35 2015. And don't forget that the current Tappan Zee Bridge is officially the "Governor Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 14 07:35:00 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jan 14 07:21:27 2015. It's unofficial name is "Royal Piece Of Shit Bridge". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 07:47:34 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 22:33:32 2015. They do all that now, except they have a real NHL team now.Nassau is toast after the Islanders leave. 6 games? LOL. And you have to walk a block or two for Barclays too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 07:48:34 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 22:54:29 2015. You have to walk a short bit for Barclays too. I've done it, it's not like "walking upstairs" at MSG. It's no problem. And thats not even "Manhattan" walking. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 07:49:35 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 14 05:03:25 2015. You still have to walk for Barclays So what. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 07:51:54 2015, in response to Re: Madison Square Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 14 05:15:06 2015. Race to get the train, because Penn Station is such an absolute HELLHOLE, you want to get the hell out of there as soon as possible. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 14 08:32:58 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 07:47:34 2015. Huh? No, you don't. Barclays is right across the street. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 14 08:33:58 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 07:48:34 2015. Given that Atlantic Terminal is smaller than Penn, the walking may well be less. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jan 14 09:04:47 2015, in response to Re: Madison Square Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 14 05:15:06 2015. Actually, the huge tax break for MSG started way before Barclays, and continues today. It goes back to the 1980's.Knick, Ranger and Liberty home games put people to work 100 + nights, notwithstanding the tax revenues on tickets, concessions, players salaries etc. Ask the businesses in the area what the economic importance is to them. That doesn't even consider the other entertainment events that take place there. I'm not a huge Garden fan, but I can't deny its place in the city. And I certainly wouldn't shed a tear if it moved a couple of blocks. Better still, replace One and Two Penn Plaza which are generic office buildings. Redevelop the whole block. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jan 14 09:36:11 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jan 13 14:01:44 2015. I agree with you, the upper level at Penn Station is actually quite nice. The lower level is not as attractive, but its main problem is probably crowding, and there's not much that can be done about that. The worst part is the platforms themselves, they are often hot, filled with various obstructions, and it can take a long time to get upstairs from them them. That is where efforts to improve the station should be focused. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jan 14 09:36:41 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by chud1 on Wed Jan 7 15:59:29 2015. That's cause the Thruway (main section) ends at the city line just south of McLean Ave in Yonkers. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 09:37:57 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 14 08:32:58 2015. Yes, it's still a block walk or so. Not walking right upstairs like Luch says is a necessity. I wasn't knocking it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 09:41:46 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 14 08:33:58 2015. It's no big deal. Just as it wouldn't be a big deal if MSG was on 9th or 10th Ave near Penn. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 09:46:29 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jan 14 09:36:11 2015. The worst part is the platforms themselves, they are often hot, filled with various obstructionsThose "obstructions" are supports for MSG, and everything else that was built on top of them. They used to be open, airy and a lot less obstructions: 
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jan 14 09:48:16 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jan 14 09:36:41 2015. Which is why the exit numbering starts over "Exit 1 Hall Place-McLean Ave" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 14 09:58:38 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jan 14 09:36:41 2015. But the New England Thruway starts just north of the Pelham Parkway and therefore had a section in The Bronx. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 14 10:04:50 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 09:37:57 2015. I don't think it's long enough to count as "a block or so," but that's just quibbling over minutiae. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jan 14 10:31:38 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 14 09:58:38 2015. Which starts from Exit eight, and they don't renumber until the CT line.... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 14 10:40:42 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 09:41:46 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jan 14 12:47:54 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jan 14 09:36:11 2015. the upper level at Penn Station is actually quite niceWhat's nice about it? It's heated and air conditioned? It has a kosher Krispy Kreme? There's a decent shoe-shine and shoe supply store? There's no much else. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jan 14 12:49:29 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 14 10:40:42 2015. Me too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 13:02:54 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jan 14 12:47:54 2015. And even "Air Conditioning", a "Kosher Krispy Kreme", and a "decent shoe shine" store would be even nicer in a Grand Concourse of a beautiful building, as opposed to a rat hole of a station. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 14 13:08:26 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 07:48:34 2015. Have you heard any complaints about the new Yankee Stadium or Citifield being a slightly longer walk from their respective subway stations than the old ballparks they replaced? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 14 13:12:22 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:20:59 2015. Prudential Center is a few blocks from Newark Penn. They display the real-time train information around the arena I think. You have to cross a couple of streets and then walk through various buildings to get to the station.MSG could be moved in any direction up to 0.25 miles and close to nothing would happen. Up to 0.5 miles and very little would happen. After 0.5 miles then you may begin to feel something. This applies especially with the completed 7 line extension. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 14 13:22:46 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 07:47:34 2015. Coliseum is not toast.Look at IZOD. They lost both tenants, and continue to be a major venue. Nassau Coliseum will do well with minor-league hockey because it's priced right. And concerts and family shows just like IZOD does. They're even renovating the place and building an area for restaurants and shopping. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 14 13:30:48 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 14 13:08:26 2015. Are they really? I've been to both and find it quite the opposite. That is, unless you're picky about your gate. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 14 13:31:27 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 09:41:46 2015. Would not be "big deal" but still not ideal for current MSG.But some proposals to relocate further away, would make the venue less competitive with Barclays and other venues. After so many years of being right upstairs from LIRR and NJT and so many subway lines, moving would not be good. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 14 13:39:20 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 14 09:41:46 2015. w1n. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jan 14 13:48:46 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 18:01:18 2015. Once a week (or every two weeks if only one team is there) is totally different than what happens in arenas. Arena in the Meadowlands struggled with the Devils and Nets, lost both. Stadiums, particularly football have thrived further away from city centers and mass transit hubs but not so much arenas. A number of teams have relocated to downtowns from outlying areas. Other teams built new arenas pretty much where they already were. The economics of arena team sports and fan attendance are different than stadium sports. Stadiums are usually purpose built to meet the needs of one team/one sport. Multi sport multi use stadiums have generally not succeeded. It's sort of apples and oranges. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 14 13:50:19 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 14 13:12:22 2015. 1/2 mile would not be good.You would have to walk or take subway. Yeah, I've been to Barclays by NJT. But for MSG, after years of being at a transit hub, moving away from it would not be good. Especially when they're compete with other venues now. Walking around Manhattan fucking sucks. Midtown streets overcrowded. It's not pleasant. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jan 14 14:02:18 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by pragmatist on Wed Jan 14 10:31:38 2015. At one time, the NET was numbered with exit 1 being Pelham Parkway. In the 1970s, I think, it was renumbered. Exit numbers had been assigned to the non-Thruway parts of I-95 in the Bronx shortly before that, and it was apparently decided that having the exit numbers restart within the city was too confusing for emergency personnel. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jan 14 14:18:01 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jan 14 14:02:18 2015. Thanks, that makes sense.... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 14 14:24:20 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 14 13:12:22 2015. 1/2 mile is a two-fare zone in Queens.I know people who take Q23 or Q38 from Queens Blvd to avoid 1/2 mile walk. Like those taking Q38 from Rego Park to 63rd and Woodhaven Blvd. That is not a long walk. |
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