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Posted by Dave on Sun Jan 4 21:23:30 2015 A Place That Once Made Travelers Feel Important |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 09:36:11 2015, in response to Penn Station, posted by Dave on Sun Jan 4 21:23:30 2015. Not a bad article, for the Times.I'm glad it notes that it also made the City important. Let's not forget Jimmy Carter's vandalism of Union Station in D.C. The station became a "Visitor's Center," and you had to reach the trains by a side staircase, like you were entering a great mansion but had to be ushered to the root cellar to visit a crazy uncle. Union Station (and Carter's solar panel on the WH) were repairable; Penn Station is not. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 5 09:45:26 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 09:36:11 2015. What the hell was wrong with the solar panels? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Jan 5 10:01:52 2015, in response to Penn Station, posted by Dave on Sun Jan 4 21:23:30 2015. One of the rare times there was an interesting aericle from the New York Times. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jan 5 10:07:54 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 5 09:45:26 2015. They didn't work out?ROAR |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 10:35:56 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 5 09:45:26 2015. Mere symbolism on an historic structure. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 5 11:43:13 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 10:35:56 2015. Symbolism is also useful. I don't actually know what it looked like, so I don't know if it ruined the look of the White House or not. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 5 12:04:18 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 5 09:45:26 2015. they "symbolised" paying attention to energy efficiency. That was anathema to Reagan and his cronies. Sort of like removing insulation from a building--makes a political statement but very stupid. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 13:39:40 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 5 12:04:18 2015. Ask how liberals reacted to the symbolism of simply adding Ronald Reagan's name to an airport. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jan 5 14:08:38 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 13:39:40 2015. I will give you the real liberal idea: NO!!!!! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 5 14:28:38 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 13:39:40 2015. You mean Washington National? I do not recognize "Reagan". |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Jan 5 22:21:52 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 13:39:40 2015. That wasn't symbolism, it was an unfunded mandate. Since when is spending millions of dollars in reprinting signs under the threat of the federal government cutting funding something a small government advocate would endorse? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Jan 5 22:58:30 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 13:39:40 2015. We've been renaming airports for years... NY Municipal became LaGuardia, Idlewild became Kennedy, Friendhip became BWI became Thurgood Marshall.. The legislation approving the addition of Reagan's name to Washington National was signed by Bill Clinton.Are most of these involving political process, yes... but not as big a liberal versus conservative thing at the times they took place as we might be viewing them now. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 6 01:53:47 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 13:39:40 2015. Naming an airport in the nation's capital after that actor fellow?Only in America.... |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 07:05:40 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 5 14:28:38 2015. At least you're not saying it's because the name is too long to say. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 07:06:31 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by WillD on Mon Jan 5 22:21:52 2015. Oh, the expense again? Right. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 07:09:14 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by pragmatist on Mon Jan 5 22:58:30 2015. Reagan National was. I'm just looking for liberals to acknowledge (and some have) that they hated the man instead of hiding behind the skirts of money or local rights. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 07:10:54 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 6 01:53:47 2015. Naming a New York airport after a philander? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 6 07:26:55 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 13:39:40 2015. So? I don't care about adding the names of RFK, Hugh Carey or Ed Koch to bridges and tunnels, and they're Democrats. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 6 08:31:18 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 07:09:14 2015. I'll acknowledge that I didn't like him. I think he is overrated because I believe that he was very good at making people feel good about things that were not actually getting better. Just one man's opinion, let's not drag this forum into a he said/she said of political opinions. That being said, the airport thing never bothered me, I sort of consider those things the norm. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 08:49:30 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 6 07:26:55 2015. I'm not crazy about naming things for politicians (including Reagan) anyway, but I particularly object to the names of politicians supplanting well-known names. At least they added RR's names to Washington National; it couldn't have been "RFK Triborough Bridge" or Carey Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel"?Oddly they haven't made a push to say "Ed Koch Bridge." |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 6 09:11:23 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 08:49:30 2015. They have added so many names to so many crossings so fast, I can't remember which name applies to which crossing, |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 6 09:12:30 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 07:10:54 2015. The named the Wash DC FBI HQ after a closet transvestite. |
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Posted by Patrick Boylan on Tue Jan 6 09:12:53 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Mon Jan 5 09:36:11 2015. SLRT "I'm glad it notes that it also made the City important."I don't think any train station can take credit for making New York City important. I bet it was New York HARBOR which made the entire area, and the things people built because of that excellent harbor, important. |
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Posted by Patrick Boylan on Tue Jan 6 09:18:57 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Patrick Boylan on Tue Jan 6 09:12:53 2015. SLRT, where does the article not that it made the city important? I see"Completed in 1910, the original Penn Station was intended to symbolize not only its powerful corporate owner but also New York’s status as the most vital city in a nation that was becoming a political and economic superpower." which to me says that the station builders must have thought the city was already important. |
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Posted by Patrick Boylan on Tue Jan 6 09:20:12 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Patrick Boylan on Tue Jan 6 09:18:57 2015. What a difference one little e can make. I meant where does the article note, I didn't mean not. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 09:51:56 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 6 09:12:30 2015. But that's appropriate. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 09:55:05 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 6 09:11:23 2015. Soon after they renamed the Triborough, I texted my daughter who I was waiting to pick up from the Boston Bolt Bus (she got her location from her phone GPS)."We're crossing the Kennedy Bridge now." I had to question her further as she gave me street names the bus was crossing in Manhattan to understand she meant the Triborough. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 6 09:59:41 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 09:55:05 2015. What the heck, I still tell people "I'm taking the Interborough" |
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Posted by localacrosstheplatform on Tue Jan 6 10:00:17 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 6 08:31:18 2015. Completely agree, on both the Reagan legacy and the airport naming. |
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Posted by localacrosstheplatform on Tue Jan 6 10:03:20 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 08:49:30 2015. W/r/t the Koch Bridge, my personal view is that this is a shame. If they wanted to rename a bridge after Koch, they shouldn't've chosen the one (a) about which Simon & Garfunkel wrote a song and (b) that has something of a distinctive, iconic name.I think that if they had renamed the Manhattan or Williamsburg Bridge after Koch, the name might've caught on a bit easier. Queensboro is just so distinctive-sounding, and should've stayed that way. Same thing with the Triboro - perhaps the Mannie B should've gone to Koch, and the Williamsburg to Kennedy. Or perhaps we should've left the bridges alone and named something else after Koch. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 10:15:25 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 6 09:59:41 2015. But GPS's are right up-to-date every time a name-change goes through.I still say Interborough too but I have no objection to attaching Jackie Robinson's name to it, though naming the Franklin Shuttle or adding his name to Prospect Park station would have been more appropriate. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 10:17:17 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by localacrosstheplatform on Tue Jan 6 10:03:20 2015. Except the name of the bridge is not "59th Street Bridge."And yes, we should have left the bridge names alone. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 6 10:49:23 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 10:17:17 2015. Well, it was originally "Blackwell's Island Bridge" but we re-named the island. But I do agree the naming thing has gotten out of hand. I have a bunch of streets in my area with 2 names, and even if the person was worthy of honor, a hyphenated street name just doesn't cut it. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 11:11:46 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 6 10:49:23 2015. True, but it was Queensborough long before Simon and Garfunkel.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 6 11:16:32 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 6 09:59:41 2015. "I'm taking the Interborough"Subway or highway??:) |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 11:19:15 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 6 11:16:32 2015. Good point. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 6 11:34:41 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 11:19:15 2015. Well done.... I made many 7 train trips to Shea Stadium. Now when the Van Wyck or Belt (Shore) is hosed I cut across the Interborough on my way to Abe Stark Rink in Coney Island... Ahh the good old days..from "Hit Sign..Win Suit" to Brooklyn BP Anybody else remember getting a day off from school for "Brooklyn-Queens Day" ? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 6 11:52:11 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 07:05:40 2015. No, I despised the man. I get it that not everyone agrees about persons to be memorialized. Do you think various ex-Confederate States happily celebrated Lincoln's birthday? OTOH, I thought we should create a Richard M Nixon integrity in government award as a way of insulting both Nixon and crooked government personnel. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 12:12:24 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 6 11:52:11 2015. Taking it more broadly, I dislike attaching politician's names to almost anything. The nation lost part of its soul when it put Lincoln's face on the cent. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 6 12:14:12 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 12:12:24 2015. Lincoln was a statesman, not a politician. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 6 12:20:48 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 07:06:31 2015. So you'd be just fine with Congress declaring EWR must be renamed for FDR and all signage changed out at a cost of millions of dollars without a cent from the feds? Or are we only to invest in right wing cults of personality? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 6 12:25:25 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 6 11:34:41 2015. If I was a member of the Robinson family, I'd sue to have the highway officially re-named the Interborough. I wouldn't want my family name associated with the most dangerous, poorly constructed w/most accidents & fatalities per mile in the City.Haven't been on that highway in awhile. I hope someone got the message & made some improvements. BTW does anyone call the West Side Highway the Joe DiMaggio highway?? |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 6 12:25:46 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 07:09:14 2015. And you need to admit that it wasn't in keeping with the memory of a supposed small government advocate to force an unfunded mandate on DC. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 6 12:28:27 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 12:12:24 2015. Putting the image of rulers on coinage has a very long tradition. We even have a slang term "dead presidents" as a term for cash. Bottom line, we will disagree over which persons to memorialise, but the practice itself is likely to continue. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Jan 6 12:30:45 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 08:49:30 2015. I'm not crazy about naming things for politicians (including Reagan) anyway,I couldn't agree with you more. I've never been a fan of re-naming stuff unless there was a compelling reason for it. This desire of politicians or their supporters to have structures re-named for them especially when they had nothing to do with the original construction is baffling. It costs tens of thousands of dollars to change all the signage when they changed the names of the Queensborough and Triborough Bridges. Up where I live we didn't "re-name" the bridges we just add to the name. The Mid-Hudson Bridge was aptly named because it stands more or less in the middle of the navigable part of the Hudson River. Now its the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Mid-Hudson Bridge. By the time that you say that you could be halfway across the Hudson. The Newburgh-Beacon Bridge didn't have a very interesting name but at least it told you what cities it connected. Now its the Hamilton Fish Newburgh Beacon Bridge. The bridge actually consists of two separate structures. Pretty soon someone will come up with a separate name for each of the spans. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 6 12:34:02 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by WillD on Tue Jan 6 12:20:48 2015. We changed it to Newark-Liberty, spent the money anyway..... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 6 13:06:13 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 6 07:10:54 2015. ...only in America..... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 6 13:07:46 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 6 09:12:30 2015. yeah, you're right, I forgot about that..... something right out of John Waters film. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jan 6 13:18:31 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 6 12:25:25 2015. Technically, the Joe DiMaggio Highway is only the portion of the Miller Highway between 57th and 72nd Streets. I've never heard EITHER name used on any traffic report ... ever.--Mark |
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