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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 11 03:06:58 2014, in response to Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a "revenue loss" of..., posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 11 01:37:03 2014. Let's see. Connections to the R from Fulton Street…A/C to Jay Street… Not only is this too far away, it's in Brooklyn. 2/3 and 4/5 to Borough Hall… Ditto. J/Z to Canal Street… Really, you want people to deal with that lower platform? Might as well take the N if you're going uptown! 4/5 to 14th Street… At least it's better than Canal Street… slightly. A/C and 2/3 to 42nd Street: Way too far. 2/3 to Chambers, then 1 to South Ferry… Too many transfers, and you have that whole "first five cars" thing going on with the 1 train. M train to Court Street… What do you think this is, 2010? Only feasible solution: MetroCard walking transfer between 2345ACJZ and R. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 09:57:26 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 11 03:06:58 2014. ???If you're already within fare control at Fulton, you got there from somewhere. Give an example of a trip that would start elsewhere and end elsewhere, and for which a connection to the R at Fulton would be handy. I can't think of any good examples. The best I can do is that you're at Wall and William and want to go to 23rd and Broadway and it's really crappy weather. Then I agree you'd want to take the 2/3 to Fulton, and transfer to the R, rather than walk outside to Rector St. And if you're not already within fare control at Fulton, use the new passageway to the R that is outside fare control, then enter. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Tue Nov 11 11:02:46 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 09:57:26 2014. Not that I'd use it, but it seems a bizarre excuse not to create a free transfer to the R: "because of the $2 million revenue loss" (especially since they built a new free transfer at Jay St and weren't worried about revenue loss.) Yet they WILL create a free transfer to the #1 and E train at WTC??? Help me understand that logic. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 11 11:17:13 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 09:57:26 2014. Interestingly, the free transfer from the R to the E at Cortlandt/WTC will solve that particular problem. So it doesn't appear that there is any use for enclosing the Dey St passagway in fare control. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 11:36:18 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 11 11:17:13 2014. Interestingly, the free transfer from the R to the E at Cortlandt/WTC will solve that particular problem.How? I want to get from Wall and William to 23rd and Broadway using at most 2 trains, and I want to stay inside because the weather is lousy. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 11 11:36:29 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 09:57:26 2014. In a sense this issue is similar to the 1990's 63rd Street-Tunnel To NoWhere all over again.The 63rd Street Tunnel (that the current F-train uses) was completed well before it was connected to the Queens Blvd line, and well before its eventual connection to a possible Queens Super-Express. In plain English some folks wondered why it was created "if it did not connect to anything". The basic issue is SIMPLE. The World Trade Center complex is not FINISHED! If the World Trade Center complex was completed the Dey Street passageway would connect to what it is supposed to connect to! Just why that is a difficult concept? Mike |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 11 11:37:46 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 11:36:18 2014. Really?The R transfers to the E, it transfers by extension to the 2/3. |
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Posted by andy on Tue Nov 11 11:39:17 2014, in response to Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a "revenue loss" of..., posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 11 01:37:03 2014. I agree that it would make sense to have a free transfer here, but it's not essential. And also remember that it's a moot point for anyone who has an unlimited MetroCard unused for the past 18 minutes. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 11 11:43:53 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 11:36:18 2014. "How? I want to get from Wall and William to 23rd and Broadway using at most 2 trains, and I want to stay inside because the weather is lousy."Simple! Walk to the J-train at Broad Street and Wall Street, basically the other entrance of the #2 and #3 trains at Wall Street. Then take the J-train to Canal Street, and there change for the R-train to 23rd Street. Done. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 11 11:46:45 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 11 11:43:53 2014. Simple! Walk to the J-train at Broad Street and Wall Street, basically the other entrance of the #2 and #3 trains at Wall Street. Then take the J-train to Canal Street, and there change for the R-train to 23rd Street.Just so you know, it is a ONE BLOCK walk along Wall Street between Broad Street and Williams Street. I've done that walk hundred's of times - it is no biggie, and the J-train entrances are on the corner! Mike |
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Posted by The silence on Tue Nov 11 11:58:17 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 11:36:18 2014. In the not too distant future..."This is Park Place. Transfer is available to the A, C, E and R Trains. Connection is available to PATH" |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 12:12:49 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 11 11:37:46 2014. Ha. I forgot that that the E at WTC transfers to the 2/3 at Park Place. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Nov 11 12:57:52 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by andy on Tue Nov 11 11:39:17 2014. Statistically, - I believe - the majority of riders in that area use the PPR rather than the unlimiteds.There are a lot of tourists in that area as well. I think the majority use the PPR or a single ride. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Nov 11 13:15:18 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 11 11:36:29 2014. "Just why that is a difficult concept?"I don't think it is - a difficult concept, that is. I think what sticks in the back of a lot of peoples' minds is the possibility of a "physical" connection between the Chambers St (A, C), WTC (E), Park Place (2,3) stations and the Fulton Center Complex via an E transfer to the R and then a "free transfer" from the R to the Fulton St stations. In other words one could walk within the system from the Chambers St station *A, C) to the Fulton St station on the A, C. While that would be an interesting walk, when you consider all the staircases and passageways one would have to go thru it would be easier to just wait for a S/B A or C and take it one stop from Chambers to Fulton. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 13:40:11 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 11 11:46:45 2014. Just so you know, it is a ONE BLOCK walk along Wall Street between Broad Street and Williams Street. I've done that walk hundred's of times - it is no biggie, and the J-train entrances are on the corner!Isn't there also a passage between the 2 outside of fare control? |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 13:44:40 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 09:57:26 2014. I can't think of any good examples. The best I can do is that you're at Wall and William and want to go to 23rd and Broadway and it's really crappy weather. Then I agree you'd want to take the 2/3 to Fulton, and transfer to the R, rather than walk outside to Rector St.That would also be a fairly lengthy transfer. It might even be the farthest free transfer in the whole system. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 13:46:41 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 11 03:06:58 2014. J/Z to Canal Street… Really, you want people to deal with that lower platform? Might as well take the N if you're going uptown!No kidding. Transferring to the R there is a PITA. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 14:17:11 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 13:44:40 2014. Northbound ACE to NQR at Times Square would be somewhat longer. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 11 14:37:10 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 13:44:40 2014. What about the G to E transfer at Court Sq? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 15:20:43 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by AlM on Tue Nov 11 14:17:11 2014. Based on Google, nope. 1304 ft vs 1055 ft. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 15:23:51 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 11 14:37:10 2014. Only 765 ft, per Google, vs. 1323 ft. Puny, even a grandmother can cover that distance! :-) |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 15:26:48 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 15:23:51 2014. Geez, even though I'm selecting landmarks for distance measurement, the distance keeps changing by a couple of percent. Best to say that it's around 1300 ft from William to Cortlandt. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 11 16:06:44 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 11 03:06:58 2014. What they probably should do is build a connection from Whitehall St. to Bowling Green. Both stations are right by MTA headquarters at 2 Broadway, the north entrance to Whitehall St. station on the south side of the building, and Bowling Green right across from the front entrance. That would indirectly connect Bowling Green and South Ferry too, by way of the R platforms. The 4/5 and the R would connect there, rather than at Fulton St. |
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Posted by twarrior3dc on Tue Nov 11 17:25:41 2014, in response to Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a "revenue loss" of..., posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 11 01:37:03 2014. I'll tell you whats really confusing now about the R— and that is exiting to the street at Cortlandt St from a downtown train. I was at the back of train yesterday when I got off at Cortlandt and used the northern most stairs. When you get to the bottom of the stairs, the turnstiles are right in front of you. Since I was trying to get to the street I naturally assumed I should pass through them. However, as soon I as did I realized that I was supposed to stay within fare control and go up the stairs to the uptown platform in order to exit onto Church St. As I had already left fare control, and there were no other stairs to the street, I was forced to use the Dey St passageway and go all the way up to Broadway to exit only to walk back down Dey on street level to get to BPC. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 17:57:54 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by twarrior3dc on Tue Nov 11 17:25:41 2014. That's wack! Dey St passage doesn't have exits on the Cortlandt St side? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Nov 11 18:11:38 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 17:57:54 2014. Nope. You walk into a sign that says go all the way back through the passageway (paraphrased). At the very least they should put the turnstiles at the head of the passageway and then allow the walkthrough. Discovered that the hard way today as well. Really dumb. No free transfer, no street exit at Cortlandt, what's the point of the thing?!And they would be losing 2 mil with making a free transfer if the method is to trick people into thinking there's a free transfer, which is what they're doing. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 11 19:53:53 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 11 16:06:44 2014. Not a bad idea. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 11 19:55:21 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by twarrior3dc on Tue Nov 11 17:25:41 2014. Whoa. They need some serious new signs there. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Nov 11 19:57:38 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 11 19:53:53 2014. Yes....excellent actually! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 19:58:10 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Nov 11 18:11:38 2014. Perhaps in the future, when they build out more of the WTC site, they'll carve out a real exit. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 20:59:06 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 11 16:06:44 2014. I agree, it's a pretty good idea. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 11 21:17:59 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Nov 11 18:11:38 2014. Funny is, MTA is making money on the confuse riders. I spotted a dozen individuals think it is a free transfer way. Some of them did not have an unlimited ride metrocard to swipe.MTA really needs to make the signs more clearly. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 11 22:30:49 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 11 21:17:59 2014. Wow, you actually left your computer and rode the subway? Good for you! |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 11 22:35:25 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 11 22:30:49 2014. Thanks crazy bastard! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 12 00:44:06 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of, posted by Allan on Tue Nov 11 13:15:18 2014. That is true:I seriously doubt that many would want to walk from say the Chambers Street A/C platform on the extreme northern end at Chambers and Church Street all the way to the exit on the 2/3 at Fulton and William Street (yes, if you brought everything into fare control would be able to walk between Park Place and Fulton on the 2/3 AND Chambers and Fulton on the A/C without going outside). You might get a few who would want to do that for exercise or other reasons, but not many. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Nov 12 01:06:47 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 12 00:44:06 2014. think snow, heavy rain, bitter cold and recalculate. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 12 07:01:21 2014, in response to Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a "revenue loss" of..., posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 11 01:37:03 2014. I explored Fulton Center on Monday. I agree the transfer to/from the R should be free. Definitely seems a bit underhanded to me that it is not.Without a free transfer, I don't anticipate many normal people using the Dey Street passageway. It was nice and clean looking (and smelling!) on Monday, but as a non-fare controlled zone, I see it as VERY likely to suffer the fate of the old Gimbels passageway at 34th Street- a haven and a toilet for criminals, homeless people, and the insane. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Wed Nov 12 07:01:33 2014, in response to Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a "revenue loss" of..., posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 11 01:37:03 2014. The original plan was a wider Dey passage with a wall down the middle for in and out of fare control.In the first round of cost cutting, the passage was narrowed and the decision was made to integrate the passage with the WTC (and WFC) and retail aspect of Fulton Center rather than the subway stations. There are plenty of pros and cons depending on your perspective. The underground connection to PATH, including a new entrance at 2 WTC on Vessey near Church, should be open in the next 6 weeks, providing an exit at the west end. I agree signage should be better, and I think they should have kept the passage closed until the exit via the WTC is open. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by LA Scott on Wed Nov 12 07:03:39 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 12 07:01:21 2014. The passage is part of the Westfield retail contract. They will keep it clean.Once the WTC passage opens it will have more traffic, especially after the Westfield WTC retail opens. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 12 07:05:56 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by twarrior3dc on Tue Nov 11 17:25:41 2014. THAT'S nuts. I hope that as construction of the WTC advances, a direct exit from the southbound platform to the west side of Church Street is opened.In the interim, very clear signage should be installed... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 12 08:34:34 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Nov 12 01:06:47 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 12 10:21:21 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 11 13:40:11 2014. "Isn't there also a passage between the 2 outside of fare control? "I believe that there is indeed a passageway between the Wall Street station and the Broad Street that is outside of fare control. Usually I have walked the distance at late nights where from the northern end of the #2 & #3 station there is a closed entrance on the mezzanine level. In addition the neighborhood subway map seems to show a connection of some kind among these stations. One day I might explore it for the heck of it. Mike |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 12 10:25:15 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by LA Scott on Wed Nov 12 07:03:39 2014. Aha, now I understand why that passage was built - Westfield to Westfield connection. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Nov 12 11:44:46 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 12 07:01:21 2014. They do have private security guards patrolling the passageway. |
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Posted by fset on Wed Nov 12 13:46:05 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 12 07:01:21 2014. I just walked through the concourse under Dey Street and it's quite WIDE. That's wide enough to put a fence down the middle (or offset slightly to one side) and keep one part it connected to the [R] platform within a free transfer.Ask me why I care? I will be using the [5] from the Bronx and our agency will relocate into 4-WTC in March, and I'd like to use the concourse to stay underground, out of the rain/snow. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 12 14:01:46 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by fset on Wed Nov 12 13:46:05 2014. the concourse under Dey Street and it's quite WIDE. That's wide enough to put a fence down the middle (or offset slightly to one side)Are you sure? Are you aware of all the regulations and design guidelines that would govern in this situation? I'm certainly not, at least not offhand. But I could imagine that there could be some that would make the concourse not wide enough to split with a permanent structure. Ask me why I care? I will be using the [5] from the Bronx and our agency will relocate into 4-WTC in March, and I'd like to use the concourse to stay underground, out of the rain/snow.Won't you be using a 30-Day Unlimited Metrocard? |
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Posted by LA Scott on Wed Nov 12 14:23:16 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by fset on Wed Nov 12 13:46:05 2014. By then, the underground passage should be open from the current end of the corridor to 4 WTC. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of |
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Posted by Allan on Wed Nov 12 15:51:43 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Nov 12 01:06:47 2014. When you consider all the stairs up and down that one would have to negotiate I don't think that even in bad weather that a person would want to do that. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Nov 12 16:03:40 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by twarrior3dc on Tue Nov 11 17:25:41 2014. That reminds me of when they were renovating Broadway-Lafayette/Bleecker in the nineties. You had to go to the Broadway entrance to get to Bleecker St downtown platform. A long walk if you were coming from the East. |
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