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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 12 18:11:40 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of, posted by Allan on Wed Nov 12 15:51:43 2014. I disagree. I would do that and have done that. |
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Posted by fset on Wed Nov 12 21:17:07 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 12 14:01:46 2014. I dont use an Unlimited, as I dont work every day. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 13 01:05:06 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by fset on Wed Nov 12 21:17:07 2014. Lucky for you! |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Nov 13 07:14:28 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by LA Scott on Wed Nov 12 07:03:39 2014. I hope so. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Nov 13 07:16:43 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by fset on Wed Nov 12 13:46:05 2014. But if you're taking the 5 to go to WTC, you won't need a free transfer. You can exit the turnstiles at Fulton Center and walk thru the Dey Street passage.... |
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Posted by fset on Thu Nov 13 10:09:16 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Nov 13 07:16:43 2014. Yesterday, I did exit the [5] and walked the Dey Street passageway (empty, except for a lone security guard) -- and at the end, to exit, you must pay a fare!. You have to ascend to the [R] platform for the exit, and you have to pay to do so.So what is the purpose of this passageway? Maybe to lead exiting [R] train riders who travel from Brooklyn and want to walk underground to Fulton Center. |
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Posted by twarrior3dc on Thu Nov 13 10:24:33 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by fset on Thu Nov 13 10:09:16 2014. Yes, this is silly. For downtown R riders getting off at Cortlandt, it was fine before the passageway opened because you had no choice but to go to the uptown platform to exit, but now that the "underpass" has a wall of turnstiles instead of a solid wall, you would have to know to go up to the uptown platform in order to exit to the street at Church St. I am guessing that every tourist going to the 9/11 Memorial will find themselves accidentally stuck walking up to Fulton Center through the passage instead of exiting at Church. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 13 10:47:01 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by fset on Thu Nov 13 10:09:16 2014. At least currently it seems worthless but when the WTC PATH station fully opens you'll be able to enter it through the passageway and also the WTC shopping mall, the WTC buildings and the underpass to Brookfield Place (former WFC). |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 13 11:04:31 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by BrooklynTrain on Tue Nov 11 11:02:46 2014. You are correct. Every time the MTA builds a new passageway, it includes a new free transfer. This one should be no different.Few would even use it, but it would come in very handy in case of blockages. Whatever happened to block transfers? Revenue loss is always the excuse when the MTA doesn't want to do something. It is never mentioned when it is something they want. You know what else is dumb? The permanent R sign when the N replaces the R at night. After 1.4 billion, the MTA couldn't design an R that becomes an N when the R is not operating? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Nov 13 12:47:19 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 13 11:04:31 2014. I was hoping for more electronic signage all around, too. I was expecting to come in to the station and get all the 2/3/4/5 countdown clock info right away. And I was definitely expecting the skylight (or whatever they want to call it) to allow for a brighter station.Who said it would stand up to Grand Central? Not even close! I found myself wishing I could be in century-old-Grand Central instead of day-old Fulton Center when I visited. Even when it's done and the shops and whatever open, it won't attract me, other than for changing trains as needed. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Nov 13 13:14:00 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 12 18:11:40 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 13 13:35:40 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Nov 13 12:47:19 2014. I was expecting to come in to the station and get all the 2/3/4/5 countdown clock info right away.That would have been pretty cool. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Nov 13 15:11:26 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 13 11:04:31 2014. "You are correct. Every time the MTA builds a new passageway, it includes a new free transfer. This one should be no different."That has NOT "always" been the case. While there have been a number of cases where the Transit Authority has opened passageways that offered free transfers among the subway lines. There are several cases where passageways exist that are/were outside the paid fare zone. - The famous or infamous passage from 42nd Street to 34th Street under Sixth Avenue for the IND subway (that some fans want to re-open) was definitely outside the paid fare zone. - The Gimbel's 33rd Street passageway connecting Peen Station to 34th Street Herald Square is definitely outside the paid fare zone. - The former passageway at 50th Street that connecting the #1 train on Broadway to the C & E trains at 50th Street/Eighth Avenue were definitely outside the paid fare zone. - The passageway that connects the Wall Street #2 & #3 station to the Broad Street J-train station is definitely outside the paid fare zone. - Three stations that had their "outside the paid fare zone" passageways converted into a paid fare zone connecting what were formerly separate stations: a) the passageway connecting Pacific Street (D,N,R) to the Atlantic Avenue complex (#2-3-4-5, B & Q); the passageway connecting the 14th Street/7th Avenue station (#1-2-3) to the 14th Street/Sixth Avenue station (F,L.M); and and the 42nd Street/Eighth Avenue IND (A,C,E) station connecting to the 42nd Street-Times Square station (#1-2-3,N,R,Q,7,S) via a steep passageway from the #7 train. - Yes, it is very true that the Transit Authority has created passageways that have linked what were separate stations into useful transfer stations. There are a number of underground concourses that are not within a "paid fare zone" - one of the most famous is the passageway that connects 34th Street/Seventh Avenue to 34th Street/Eighth Avenue at Penn Station. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Nov 13 15:20:28 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 13 11:04:31 2014. "You know what else is dumb? The permanent R sign when the N replaces the R at night. After 1.4 billion, the MTA couldn't design an R that becomes an N when the R is not operating?"This is not a good criticism. The signage outside of a station indicates the train routes that generally serve the station during its "normal hours". Putting every possible variation on the outside signs brings up back to the days on the early IND & BMT were the exterior signage at the stairways listed almost every possible line/destination/neighborhood that could possibly be reached by that particular train route or its connections. At plenty of the newer station signage they just list the regular trains without regard to whether that route runs during the midnight hours. The signage inside the stations, on the platforms and the maps are much better for showing the service issues. For example, everybody knows that the #6 is the Lexington Avenue local, and that for the past 30-years the #4 also becomes a midnight hours local. The outside signage at the local stations still shows a #6, even though the #4 runs there midnight hours. Why confuse people? Mike |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 13 16:25:35 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Michael549 on Thu Nov 13 15:11:26 2014. "The former passageway at 50th Street that connecting the #1 train on Broadway to the C & E trains at 50th Street/Eighth Avenue "That one is closed? When did that happen? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 13 19:10:57 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Michael549 on Thu Nov 13 15:11:26 2014. Most of the passageways that you cite were built long before the MTA came into existence and many even before unification so there would have been no reason to have free transfers in those days. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 13 19:16:16 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Michael549 on Thu Nov 13 15:20:28 2014. These days with state of the art LED signage,it shouldn’t be too difficult to have signs that display what services are running during specific times of the day. Many years ago, there were electric signs at 125 St IND that red “For local stops on Concourse Line use trains marked CC” or “Trains marked D make local stops on Concourse Line” depending on the time of day. I would imagine that the countdown clocks could be programed to include such readings along with the next train info at little or no additional expense. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Nov 13 20:09:54 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Michael549 on Thu Nov 13 15:11:26 2014. Just to add, there used to be a passageway between 7th Ave. and 8th Ave. at 14th St. which was outside of fare zone. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 13 20:36:57 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Nov 13 20:09:54 2014. It's still there, and visible, just not open to the public. |
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Posted by fset on Thu Nov 13 20:49:00 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by AlM on Thu Nov 13 20:36:57 2014. The other passage between 7th and 6th Ave is very very well used, even late at night. I just wish that the MTA would move back the fence near the token booth, and give us some more room. There is space there, if you re-position the fence over another 2 feet |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 13 21:13:53 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by randyo on Thu Nov 13 19:10:57 2014. Correct. And I also was not counting passageways built by the private sector.I also would not count the Sixth Avenue coonection from 34 Street to 42 Street as there would be no reason for that to be free. When it was built, there was no connection to the #7 at 42 Street. They didn't add that underpass without making a free connection. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 13 21:19:10 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Michael549 on Thu Nov 13 15:20:28 2014. The sign outside says #6 which is correct. The fact that at night the 4 also stops there, does not make the #6 sign wrong, just incomplete at night.At Fulton Street, after midnight the sign is just wrong and that is confusing. So you are confusing people. Can you think of an example where outside signage is completely wrong due to service changes at night, other than other R stations where the N replaces the R at night? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 13 23:26:32 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 13 21:19:10 2014. What do the signs on Queens Blvd. say, where E replaces R at night? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 13 23:27:51 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 13 21:19:10 2014. What about the A replacing the C at night on CPW? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 13 23:36:03 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 13 21:19:10 2014. Where's the E slug?
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Nov 14 01:14:20 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by randyo on Thu Nov 13 19:10:57 2014. My point is simple - just because there is an underground passageway does not automatically mean a free transfer exists among the subway stations that connect along that pathway. The idea that the MTA did not come into existence until 1968 does that change the basic point that I made. Often the letters MTA is used by folks to refer to a time WELL BEFORE the MTA came into existence, but usually we "know" what they mean.If I were to make the statement that the existence of express tracks means that there's always an express train service running on those tracks, plenty of folks here would chime in to say that that is not necessarily the case. Yes, there are some locations with express tracks that also have express service upon them, and as well cases and locations that have express tracks where none/zero/nada/no express service is provided at all. Even if we parse the statement: "Every time the MTA builds a new passageway, it includes a new free transfer." The Dey Street Passageway built by the MTA is a direct contradiction of that statement. While many online have spoken on that subject, and as I understand it even within the MTA there was discussion about a free-fare-zone, the MTA DECIDED not to make the Dey Street Passageway a free-fare-zone. So even the MTA is not bound by any "edict" that says that when they build a passageway that IT MUST BE A FREE-FARE-ZONE. The statement: MTA Builds Passageway = (equals) Free-Fare-Zone is NOT TRUE! The above statement, as I've shown is not true in a variety of contexts, even though there exists passageways establish a "free-fare-zone". Just as there exists express tracks have express service. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Nov 14 01:27:29 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by randyo on Thu Nov 13 19:16:16 2014. "I would imagine that the countdown clocks could be programed to include such readings along with the next train info at little or no additional expense."It is totally understandable that after a subway rider has entered the subway station fare area and/or the train platforms that there is posted signage, electronic signage or other indicators of service changes. That kind of thing is totally appropriate and understandable, and should be required. Yes, the electronic count-down clocks should be easily programmed to display service change information - beyond what is posted above the platform tracks, or on the walls and bulletins at the station. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Nov 14 02:29:22 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 13 23:36:03 2014. Here are some other examples:http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?122219 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?112379 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?70207 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?66374 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?76702 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?122301 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?83786 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?47424 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?76077 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?101489 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?127913 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?63603 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?136161 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?38388 Mike |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 14 08:35:15 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Michael549 on Fri Nov 14 02:29:22 2014. Ok, take it easy tiger! :) |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Nov 14 13:12:12 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 13 21:13:53 2014. Not only that but that underpass really doesn’t connect to anything but 2 IND stations anyhow. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Nov 14 21:20:08 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 13 23:36:03 2014. Exactly. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 14 22:10:33 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Nov 13 12:47:19 2014. I would think twice before I ever leased retail space in that White Elephant Mall! |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Nov 15 17:25:44 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Michael549 on Thu Nov 13 15:11:26 2014. one of the most famous is the passageway that connects 34th Street/Seventh Avenue to 34th Street/Eighth Avenue at Penn Station.That's not an MTA passageway, it is part of Penn Station itself, which means it is under the jurisdiction of Amtrak. Kinda different. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 15 17:39:01 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by italianstallion on Thu Nov 13 23:36:03 2014. Stil say they are all incorrect.There should be a smaller E with a crescent moon next to the M and R. There is plenty room. Why should someone get conflicting instructions on the platform level than when before they pay their fare? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Nov 15 17:44:13 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by randyo on Thu Nov 13 19:16:16 2014. All the directional signs for the R at the Fulton Center/Dey St. Passage seem to have left space to add additional route bullets in the event that another train (like a revived W) is routed that way. They could probably put a notation in that space now that says "Late night N" (with the N being a smaller route bullet than the R), but that would go against the general policy of only showing "normal hours" services on directional signs. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 15 18:11:03 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 15 17:39:01 2014. When the get to the platform, there will be a sign that says something like "Night time hours, use E to Manhattan". If they are entering that station, they really have no other choice to avoid it and use some other line. The will get adequate alternate info on the platform. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 16 01:52:15 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Nov 15 17:25:44 2014. "That's not an MTA passageway, it is part of Penn Station itself, which means it is under the jurisdiction of Amtrak. Kinda different."As I pointed out in a previous message, the existence of a passageway between train stations (regardless of how or when the passageway was built) does not automatically mean the existence of a free-transfer among the subway trains the passageway serves. (Similarly the existence of express tracks does not automatically mean the existence of express trains.) I pointed out a number of passageways both created before and after the MTA came into existence that both do, AND DO NOT have free-transfers among the trains. I then cited and parsed the statement from the initial previous message: "Every time the MTA builds a new passageway, it includes a new free transfer." I noted that the Dey Street Passageway recently built by the MTA is a direct contradiction of the cited statement posted in a previous message. The idea that a railroad passageway simply can not be used as a free-transfer passageway is under-cut by the long-time existence of the passageway at the Atlantic AVenue subway station that connects under the platforms of the #2, #3, #4 and #5 trains at Atlantic AVenue with the current B and Q trains at their Atlantic Avenue station, and also connects to LIRR platforms at the same station complex. This passageway was extended and enlarged with the renovation of the station complex. At the Citi-Corp Center at 53rd, a section of the Citi-Corp basement (the building was constructed and completed by CitiBank in the early 1980's - thus private property) was granted as an for the creation of a free transfer passageway between then E and F trains (now M-trains) and the #6 train at 51st Street. Now the MTA did not "build" that passageway - but a free transfer passageway was created. At the new World Trade Center complex there will be a free-transfer passageway connecting the E-train and the R-train using space constructed by the Port Authority of NY/NJ (meaning not built by the MTA). The previous edition of the WTC did not have free transfers between the E and R trains, or the other nearby subway stations. Now it may be true that this topic has been beaten to death, revived and beaten to death a second or third time. As I pointed out the existence of a passageway between train stations (regardless of how the passageway came into existence) does not automatically mean the existence of a free-transfer among the subway trains that the passageway serves. I pointed out the general "rule" and how that the general statement is rebutted, and then I pointed out a specific rebuttal to the specific phrase used in the cited message. I'm moving on to the next topic. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 16 11:29:16 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 12 18:11:40 2014. In bad weather, I would too:That said, unless it's a blizzard, I don't see too many people doing that. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 16 11:37:28 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 16 11:29:16 2014. Even light rain can make you want to stay indoors. The other day I was inside fare control in Lex/42 and I needed to go to 6th Ave. Normally I would walk distances much longer than that. It was only very lightly drizzling but I didn't have an umbrella and didn't feel like getting wet. So I took the 7 one stop. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 19:07:08 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Nov 13 12:47:19 2014. I was there today and I think the information was done all wrong. Why should you use that entrance for the 4 and 5 downtown and have to walk up stairs after you take the down escalator, wen you simply could cross the street and avoid walking up stairs?They should tell you the entrance is for the 4 and 5 Uptown only, (and whatever lines are directly accessibe) with downtown 4 and 5 accessible by passageway and stairs. You only find that out later. That information should be clear when you enter. You shoudn't be invited to all the trains if there are easier ways to get to some of the lines using other entrances that involve less stairs. It is also very hard to find the R when you go downstairs. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 19:12:22 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 15 18:11:03 2014. I see your point, but I still see no reason for incorrect information in the first place. It is just unnecessary confusion to tell you one thing and then tell you something else later.With all money spent on technology, there could have been a display for late night information as soon as you enter. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 19:28:08 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Nov 15 17:44:13 2014. They woudn't even have to use the words "late night" Riders are already familiar with the crescent moon symbol from the maps just like they know the wheelchair symbol. A crescent moon and a smaller N is all that would have been needed or a digital R that could change to an N when the service changes. |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 19:31:35 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 11 16:06:44 2014. Excellent idea. It's also very close. No one realized how close Lawrence and Jay was until the passageway was built. |
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Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 19:43:53 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by twarrior3dc on Thu Nov 13 10:24:33 2014. Yes I was there today and I agree. I was amazed to find out that there was no way to get to the street without first going to the R. Will this change when everything will be completed?When the old WTC Center was open, there was a direct entrance into it from the downtown platform and you could take an escalator to the street. Now you have to walk downstairs and up two flights to exit from the uptown platform. The Fulton Transit Center did nothing to change that. To avoid the stairs you have to use the new passageway to Broadway which does you no good if you want Church Street. I did see an elevator on the southbound platform. I assume it must go down but I didn't see it when I was in the passageway. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 16 20:08:15 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 19:07:08 2014. Wow, you actually went and visited some place that you have an opinion about?! You're improving! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 16 20:36:24 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 19:43:53 2014. How many times do we have to keep saying yes? |
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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 16 20:37:15 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 19:28:08 2014. There is no real need. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 16 20:41:14 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 19:43:53 2014. I did see an elevator on the southbound platform. I assume it must go down but I didn't see it when I was in the passageway.You don't have the best history on spotting elevators.... "I didn't respond because I'm still not convinced I am wrong. I'm waiting for the next time I'm at Atlantic Avenue to check it out. I still don't believe there is an elevator from the lower level to the mezzanine of the 4th Avenue passageway." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 16 20:42:31 2014, in response to Re: Riders confused: no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 16 20:36:24 2014. +1 |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Nov 17 01:10:33 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 16 01:52:15 2014. Oops, sorry there is a word missing:The sentence should read as follows: "At the Citi-Corp Center at 53rd, a section of the Citi-Corp basement (the building was constructed and completed by CitiBank in the early 1980's - thus private property) an EASEMENT was granted for the creation of a free transfer passageway between then E and F trains (now M-trains) and the #6 train at 51st Street. Now the MTA did not "build" that passageway - but a free transfer passageway was created." Mike |
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