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Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of... |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 16 01:52:15 2014, in response to Re: Rider confuse on no free transfer from (R) to Fulton Center; MTA says it's a ''revenue loss'' of..., posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Nov 15 17:25:44 2014. "That's not an MTA passageway, it is part of Penn Station itself, which means it is under the jurisdiction of Amtrak. Kinda different."As I pointed out in a previous message, the existence of a passageway between train stations (regardless of how or when the passageway was built) does not automatically mean the existence of a free-transfer among the subway trains the passageway serves. (Similarly the existence of express tracks does not automatically mean the existence of express trains.) I pointed out a number of passageways both created before and after the MTA came into existence that both do, AND DO NOT have free-transfers among the trains. I then cited and parsed the statement from the initial previous message: "Every time the MTA builds a new passageway, it includes a new free transfer." I noted that the Dey Street Passageway recently built by the MTA is a direct contradiction of the cited statement posted in a previous message. The idea that a railroad passageway simply can not be used as a free-transfer passageway is under-cut by the long-time existence of the passageway at the Atlantic AVenue subway station that connects under the platforms of the #2, #3, #4 and #5 trains at Atlantic AVenue with the current B and Q trains at their Atlantic Avenue station, and also connects to LIRR platforms at the same station complex. This passageway was extended and enlarged with the renovation of the station complex. At the Citi-Corp Center at 53rd, a section of the Citi-Corp basement (the building was constructed and completed by CitiBank in the early 1980's - thus private property) was granted as an for the creation of a free transfer passageway between then E and F trains (now M-trains) and the #6 train at 51st Street. Now the MTA did not "build" that passageway - but a free transfer passageway was created. At the new World Trade Center complex there will be a free-transfer passageway connecting the E-train and the R-train using space constructed by the Port Authority of NY/NJ (meaning not built by the MTA). The previous edition of the WTC did not have free transfers between the E and R trains, or the other nearby subway stations. Now it may be true that this topic has been beaten to death, revived and beaten to death a second or third time. As I pointed out the existence of a passageway between train stations (regardless of how the passageway came into existence) does not automatically mean the existence of a free-transfer among the subway trains that the passageway serves. I pointed out the general "rule" and how that the general statement is rebutted, and then I pointed out a specific rebuttal to the specific phrase used in the cited message. I'm moving on to the next topic. |
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