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LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 2 11:41:36 2014

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MTA Long Island Rail Road Proposed Service Investments
MTA Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) will hold a public hearing on a plan to restore weekend service on the West Hempstead Branch year-round.

Date and Place of the Hearing

Monday, September 15, 2014
Start Time: 5:00 p.m. (Registration begins at 4:30 p.m. and closes at 8 p.m.)

Malverne Village Hall
99 Church Street
Malverne, NY 11565

West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service

The LIRR would restore weekend and holiday train service on the West Hempstead Branch, effective Saturday, November 22, 2014. Weekend/holiday trains would operate every two hours between West Hempstead and Penn Station/Atlantic Terminal with connecting service at Valley Stream and Jamaica Station. Currently, no West Hempstead Branch trains operate on Saturdays, Sundays or holidays.
Directions

By Rail: LIRR (West Hempstead Branch) to the Malverne Station; Head southwest on Hempstead Avenue for 413 feet. Turn left onto Church Street. Proceed along Church Street for 2/10 of a mile. Malverne Village Hall will be on the left.
By Bus: N31/32
Use TripPlanner+ at www.mta.info for specific directions, including LIRR travel.

Registration to speak will remain open until 8 p.m. on the date of the hearing. Oral testimony is limited to three (3) minutes for each speaker. To register in advance to speak at the hearing or for more information, please call 646-252-6777. Deaf/hearing impaired customers should call 711 for relay services, and then ask to be connected to 646-252-6777 to speak with an agent.

Written comments may be sent to LIRR Government & Community Affairs, Jamaica Station, Mail Code 1131, Jamaica, NY, 11435 or submitted via email through the MTA website, www.mta.info. The deadline to receive written comments is September 19, 2014. All comments will be transcribed and made part of the permanent record to be reviewed by the MTA Board.
Accessibility and Interpreter Services

The hearing has been scheduled at a location that is accessible to the mobility impaired. An interpreter for hearing impaired customers will be available upon advance request (made no later than September 10, 2014).

http://web.mta.info/mta/news/hearings/index_LIRR.html

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Hart Bus on Tue Sep 2 13:00:19 2014, in response to LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 2 11:41:36 2014.

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Not being familiar with the South Shore lines of the LIRR, why the need for a transfer at Valley Stream. The train is already running to Jamaica where passengers can change for NYP or Brooklyn.

Is this a transfer to Long Beach and / or Far Rock ?

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by nostalgia on Tue Sep 2 14:03:12 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Hart Bus on Tue Sep 2 13:00:19 2014.

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The train operates as a shuttle. The schedule is coordinated to drop off passengers for Jamaica on a Long Beach train and pick up passengers from Jamaica on a Far Rock train. One crew is used in the morning and is replaced by a second crew in the afternoon.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 2 14:22:51 2014, in response to LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 2 11:41:36 2014.

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Too bad they won't restore the second track.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 14:39:28 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 2 14:22:51 2014.

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Too bad they won't restore the connection to Country Life Press and Mineola.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Hart Bus on Tue Sep 2 16:32:56 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by nostalgia on Tue Sep 2 14:03:12 2014.

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Thanks for the clarification. As mentioned I am unfamiliar with the branch. The notice posted does not indicate that the train is a shuttle and will sit in Valley Stream until the e/b trip commences.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Charles G on Tue Sep 2 18:57:20 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Hart Bus on Tue Sep 2 16:32:56 2014.

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The notice posted does not indicate that the train is a shuttle and will sit in Valley Stream until the e/b trip commences.

And sit it does. With the trip between Valley Stream and West Hempstead taking only 15 minutes each way. On weekdays, the mid-day service also runs every two hours. Trains run the 15 minutes to Valley Stream, and then depart back to West Hempstead 19 minutes later (not clear whether or not they reverse into the siding at V.S.). After the grueling 15 minute run to West Hempstead, the crew gets a 71 minute break until heading west again...

This must be the most plum job on the railroad.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 2 19:03:32 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Charles G on Tue Sep 2 18:57:20 2014.

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There is no reason they can't run it every 90 minutes, assuming Far Rockaway and Long Branch trains are about evenly spaced.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 2 19:04:03 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 2 14:22:51 2014.

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It never had a 2nd track.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by seabeachexpress on Tue Sep 2 19:49:08 2014, in response to LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 2 11:41:36 2014.

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Why is St. Albans listed on the West Hempstead timetable? I thought the only trains that stopped there are the Babylon locals that run every 2 hours. Makes no sense.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 2 20:13:25 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by seabeachexpress on Tue Sep 2 19:49:08 2014.

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Been that way for 40 years when the current format of schedules came out. Atlantic Branch stops are on the Far Rock, so they did the analogous for St Albans and Springfield Gardens. Babylons are stooping a lot more than every 2 hours these days, and they have nailed most of the AM rush W.H. trains as well.

For a brief period in the 1980's, NHP and Merillon Ave were put on the Oyster Bay schedule to allegedly simplify the Port Jeff schedule.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Sep 2 20:28:42 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 2 19:04:03 2014.

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True. The Bob Emery track maps show no second track.



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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 20:52:16 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Sep 2 20:28:42 2014.

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There was clearly a 2nd track, you could see where it was where the line branches off the Babylon east of VALLEY.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 20:54:27 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by seabeachexpress on Tue Sep 2 19:49:08 2014.

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During peak hours St Albans is served almost exclusively by West Hempstead trains. It's the same way stations like NHP and Merillon Ave are listed on the Huntington branch timetable, even if some RO branch trains serve them.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by aaron on Tue Sep 2 21:00:58 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 20:52:16 2014.

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Yeah, but I don't think it went all the way. Once the line gets to grade, just north of Merrick Road, it seems like it was always 1 track...

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 2 22:13:34 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 14:39:28 2014.

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It wouldn't be hard as the right of way seems to be pretty much intact but aside from being a railfan dream, why? I don't think there would be much need for such service.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Tue Sep 2 22:29:12 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Charles G on Tue Sep 2 18:57:20 2014.

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I knew the engineer on the West Hempstead line. Back then it was called the "scoot".

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 23:00:38 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Sep 2 22:13:34 2014.

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That's pretty much it. I also can't think of much use for it.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restored)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 3 06:16:52 2014, in response to LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 2 11:41:36 2014.

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Nothing for it now; the WH branch ought to become an extension of the J train.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 3 06:16:53 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by aaron on Tue Sep 2 21:00:58 2014.

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Possibly, though I think there was once a passing siding between Malverne and Lakeview.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restored)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 3 06:18:05 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restored), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 3 06:16:52 2014.

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Even I'd sympathize with the NIMBY opposition to that.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restored)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 3 06:19:57 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restored), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 3 06:18:05 2014.

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The LIRR ran onto the Broadway Line in the past IIRC.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 07:37:07 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 2 19:03:32 2014.

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There may be no reason why they can't -- but they aren't going to.

It is hard to understand this decision. The additional cost of bringing back Wesh Hempstead weekend service is only the cost of the crews that are providing the service. Yet these crews are going to be idle somewhere in the range of 50-75% of the time they are on duty.

Add in that weekend WH ridership is pathetically light (hence the reason it was discontinued in the first place) -- and the decision boggles the mind.

Couldn't the money being spent on crews be put to better use by not having the crew sitting around most of the time? Couldn't the money be put to better use by having those crews in service and serving more passengers?



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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 07:39:50 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 3 06:16:53 2014.

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The track that used to exist just off the Babylon line was a siding. There was never a second track or passing siding between Malverne and Lakeview.

There was never enough service on the line to require a passing siding. Even if the stretch between West Hempstead and Country Life Press were still intact and in frequent use the line would be fine with a single track and a two track station at West Hempstead or Hempstead Gardens for passing.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 07:47:48 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 20:54:27 2014.

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During peak hours St Albans is served almost exclusively by West Hempstead trains

That isn't entirely true.

During the PM peak hours, St. Albans is served by Babylon branch trains only. If you want to go from St. Albans to West Hempstead, you must backtrack to Jamaica as there isn't a single train all day that makes that trip.

During the AM peak hours, St. Albans is served mainly by trains originating from West Hempstead but also by a few Babylon trains.

My speculation is that the main reason for St. Albans being in the West Hempstead branch timetable is space. There are too many stations on the Babylon branch -- adding two more into the timetable would force the print to become unbearably small.



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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 07:53:01 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 2 23:00:38 2014.

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It would be a classic railfan boondoggle to restore that stretch of track. You would have to spend some ungodly sum of money to re-build a short section of track, pay off assorted NIMBY's and you would be left with a track connection with no stations that bypasses the most transit-dependent community usedful destination in the area. It would effectively become the G train of the LIRR.

While many railfans might disagree, some of the decisions that were made in the past were actually good decisions.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 3 08:59:53 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 07:37:07 2014.

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It's light because the service is terrible, so people don't use it.

It's almost as bad as saying ridership is bad on the Ronkonkoma to Greenport line, yet it's bumper to bumper traffic out there weekends. They make the service impossible to use, so no one uses it.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 3 09:01:33 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 2 14:22:51 2014.

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That's perhaps one of the least pressing LIRR ideas out there.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 3 09:02:18 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 20:52:16 2014.

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Yes, but it didn't go far.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 3 09:02:51 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 3 06:16:53 2014.

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A passing siding is much different than an entire second running track.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 3 09:04:11 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 07:47:48 2014.

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The reason for it is because the West Hempstead schedule is pretty empty, and Babylon schedule is pretty large and full.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 10:29:11 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 3 08:59:53 2014.

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In the case of the West Hempstead branch, the people don't use it on weekends because they don't need it. These are not densely populated neighborhoods, there is little commercial activity around any of the stations to attract "destination" riders, and the service takes an indirect route to the city (even ignoring transfers). The service is helpful during the rush hour because the indirect routing is offset by not having to deal with traffic.


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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 12:20:59 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 07:53:01 2014.

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I don't think this was necessarily a good decision as if it had continued running it wouldn't have been any worse than it is now. I was under the impression that it was shut down not due to cost but due to the desire of local authorities to remove grade crossings. Of course, that would have hurt road traffic, which is more beneficial to the area today than the old connection.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 12:23:10 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 07:37:07 2014.

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It may be cheaper to have the crews sit around than to decrease the headway. Moving the train more often requires the use of electricity, and the wear on the vehicles. If the increased frequency will not result in higher ridership, revenue remains the same for higher costs.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 12:31:51 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 12:23:10 2014.

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Increased frequency almost always increases ridership, especially on weekends. Anecdotal evidence: my choice of taking a train vs driving often depends on whether there is a train at the time I want to go.


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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 13:20:12 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by AlM on Wed Sep 3 12:31:51 2014.

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Increased frequency isn't going to increase ridership on the WH branch during weekends. If one is familiar with the demographics, land use, alternate (and more direct) travel options and parking available around each station it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that nothing is going to increase ridership on this line on the weekend.

This is a line that is very much built around NYC commuters walking to the station and taking rush hour trains into the city in the morning and back home again in the evening. These are middle class families in single-family homes often with two cars. On weekends, they have better options for travel into the city than taking a train that starts out going in the wrong direction.

Increased frequency was a boon to the Port Washington, Babylon and Ronkonkoma branches on weekends -- for exactly the reason you mentioned. The situation on the WH branch is different.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 3 14:00:01 2014, in response to LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 2 11:41:36 2014.

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They would be better off using the money to upgrade off peak service on the Hempstead branch

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 3 14:26:37 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 3 09:02:51 2014.

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Well there's no way to justify THAT.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 3 19:20:51 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 07:47:48 2014.

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Almost all the PM rush WH trains are routed via the Atlantic, and always have been. It also simplified most of them getting handed a Form 19 Order from Valley Tower to the engineer. When I commuted on that line in the 1980's, I often did that favor for the engineer, reaching out the opposite-cab window of the M-1.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 3 19:22:47 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 2 20:52:16 2014.

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That 2nd track is nothing but a freight siding with drop chutes, and it ends a little south of Merrick Road. Never had 3rd rail.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 3 19:24:43 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 3 14:26:37 2014.

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The only thing they do have are empty 3rd rail conduits for potential cables coming in and out of the ground. Westwood platform sits right where the 2nd track would be, and always did.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 3 19:25:48 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 12:20:59 2014.

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Garden City can't even stand the Mitchell field spur.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restored)

Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 3 19:31:33 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restored), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 3 06:19:57 2014.

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via Chestnut Street Incline, but not with MP54's.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 3 19:35:10 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 07:37:07 2014.

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Look at a Hagstrom street map. The WH Branch is in as dense, if not denser, area than the FR and LB branches. Shitty service produces shitty results.

From 1976 to the late 1980's (don't remember when) the FR Branch weekend service was cut to 60 and 90 minutes intervals, with 2 train sets covering it and the WH Branch. No clockface schedules, and it was a mess. Remnant of that mess remains in the middle of the night FR Branch Scoots.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 3 19:37:25 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 10:29:11 2014.

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I lived on that branch for 13 years. Don't tell me "they don't need it", or the neighborhoods are not densely populated. The people there are no different than any other branch.

Nothing could be more indirect than the Far Rockaway Branch . Would you like to shut it down too ?

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 3 19:41:54 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Charles G on Wed Sep 3 13:20:12 2014.

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Again, you are not talking with any facts, or experience, but philosophical mumbo-jumbo.

Who do you think lives on the Far Rockaway Branch ? Lower class families with 1 car or no car ? Most of us could not touch the real estate in the Five Towns.

If you think the WH Branch "goes in the wrong direction, then you have made a case to shut down the Far Rockaway, Long Beach, and Oyster Bay branches.

"Better travel options" is what ? The Belt Parkway ? The LIE ?
GET REAL.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 3 19:43:42 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 3 14:00:01 2014.

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With Merillon Avenue, New Hyde Park, and Mineola parallel and a mile or two north, and with direct service to Penn Station ? Nope.

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by ntrainride on Wed Sep 3 23:08:50 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 3 19:37:25 2014.

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West Hempstead to Valley Stream is basically a useless rail transit corrodor.. For one thing, nearby bus service offers better travel options by a long margin.. West Hempstead is not a destination per se. Valley Sream is situated a little better but again, nearby buses (N31-N32) are a much better option. This pertains to the "intra-suburban" journeys, obviously. Best thing would be to reconnect the line to Mineola

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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Sep 4 05:54:42 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 3 12:20:59 2014.

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Just north of the W.Hempstead station, Hempstead Tnpk where IHOP & White Castle is now. It was a fan trip. (Thanks to Bob Anderson and your site)



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Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore)

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Sep 4 08:28:44 2014, in response to Re: LIRR public hearing: West Hempstead Branch Weekend Service (to be restore), posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 3 19:43:42 2014.

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But for the areas south of the Hempstead line it is not realistic. Also, Adelphi is walking distance from the Hempstead line. Hofstra is also easier to access Hempstead line

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