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Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 1 17:14:13 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 16:59:06 2012. I don't either. LIC is not viable. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 17:24:23 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by merrick1 on Sat Mar 31 15:11:23 2012. You could run more trains to Lower Montauk (in service or otherwise) and run scoots from Jamaica to GCT. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 1 17:25:13 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 16:59:06 2012. The Summer hamptons trains are mostly people from Penm or Jamaica anyway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 1 17:26:33 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 1 11:34:49 2012. Traffic is worst westbound to the city in mornings or away in the evenings. Intra island traffic is not the same. Not an issue. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 1 17:28:11 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 1 17:25:13 2012. Yes, but the prestigous Cannon Ball cannot start from Penn Station. They will not entrust a 12 car train with 2 extra-fare staffed coaches that they advertise on the radio to 2 DM's which will be 18 years old by the time ESA opens. If they could they would do it now and diss the special MU shuttle. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 1 17:29:43 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 17:24:23 2012. After they promised everyone a 1-seat ride to GCT and spent $8B to do it, the service cannot be made a shuttle. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 17:31:06 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 19:33:43 2012. Like most railfans, you are Manhattan centricFunny you say that. He's one of the least railfan to be so. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 17:39:19 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 1 11:34:49 2012. Traffic is not much of an issue, only car insurance is, but you need at least two cars to live out there anyway. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 1 17:39:44 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 1 17:26:33 2012. Don't agree. Traffic is bad in central Suffolk, and most are not shaded to city. I will not go one assuming we are in the 1950's and everyone wants to drive. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 1 17:43:06 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 1 17:39:44 2012. most are not headed to the city |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Apr 1 17:50:36 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 17:31:06 2012. He's one of the least railfan to be so.That's not really true. He's still fixated on the city, he just doesn't want the train to be convenient and go into Manhattan proper because then it'll need all the accouterments which interfere with his foamer concept of what a 'real' train is. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 1 18:18:37 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 1 17:28:11 2012. NO problem starting at LIC instead. It can even go the mainline if they didn't want it on the Lower Montauk through Glendale. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 1 18:19:43 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 1 17:43:06 2012. Of course yes, most aren't headed to the city, but they also aren't headed to anywhere the train would take them. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 1 19:11:49 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 10:38:09 2012. It's not funny how it's more fast and convenient to drive to Mineola but you live within five minutes walk from Hempstead.I live on the South Shore in Zone 7, but because the only spots left open middays are in the rapist gallery section of the lot, I go to Mineola and park there. My home station and Mineola both have 2 tph service, but it's still faster to drive to Mineola, pay for the parking and be assured that I get a spot than to drive to my home stations, find no spot and then drive to Mineola to find a spot there. My brother, OTOH, disposes with this non-sense and simply drives down to Queens, parks at my grandmother's and takes the bus to 179th Street for a fraction of the cost and with nearly no-time penalty. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 1 19:14:57 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 10:33:59 2012. None (4 tracks, ATO, new stock) of them are needed for a mere 23tph.In theory, you could without four tracks, ATO, and new stock, but it would require adopting best practices used overseas. Mind you, ATO makes sure that everything works to plan, and the new stock with better acceleration will eliminate the scheduling losses due to the time needed to reach line speed. So you get far more leeway without having to operate like JR. :-) |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Apr 1 20:29:23 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 1 19:11:49 2012. Actually, by midday, Mineola can be pretty crowded. I once saw the "lot full" sign out. I went in anyway figuring I had nothing to lose and managed to find a spot vacated by someone who must have worked a night shift, but I wouldn't say that one is guaranteed a spot in Mineola. People have caught on that Mineola is a good deal. I sometimes drive there instead of going from Carle Place because the train service is better and the lower train ticket cost helps pay for the parking. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Apr 1 20:33:20 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:34:26 2012. Don't forget that during morning rush hours, some inbound Babylon trains wrong-rail to Valley Stream and then switch to the inbound Atlantic branch track. The extra capacity is well-utilized, though I don't recall having been on an outbound train that did the reverse. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 1 23:24:41 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 1 18:18:37 2012. NO problem starting at LIC insteadShort platforms. HPA can fit the entire Cannonball . . . |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 2 01:00:37 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 31 13:05:31 2012. What about Sunnyside? The station, not the yard. Is that still going to be built? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 2 06:07:28 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 1 23:24:41 2012. So they only board on the cars that platform. The rest of the train can fill up at Jamaica. |
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Apr 2 15:05:33 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 21:26:06 2012. Especially on the Peninsula section running through Lynbrook. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:43:21 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 18:18:54 2012. No one is going to take a diesel to HPA and then use the subway into GCT when ESA will provide direct LIRR service there. However, terminating diesels at Jamaica during rush hour is practically impossible, since fumigating the trains blocks traffic through it. Once this reality manifests itself, run diesel service to LIC via the Lower Montauk, serving Richmond Hill, Maspeth, and (if the communities want it) Fresh Pond and Glendale. I'd offer a special deal on the service, any ride from LIC to Richmond Hill and vice versa should be priced at the cost of a normal subway/bus ride. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:44:45 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 18:40:19 2012. 8 tracks, two tunnels, there's plenty. The LIRR will finally have MORE terminal capacity in Manhattan than it needs for it's current infrastructure. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:46:50 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 19:36:19 2012. Far more take the LIRR to Penn Station and then double back on the E. The HPA/LIC transfer is best used by diesel riders on the Port Jefferson, Montauk and OB lines, since it means they only have to change trains once, not twice.Is there still any electric service from RO or Huntington to HPA? I thought this was cut a couple of years ago. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:50:44 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 20:10:13 2012. You could fit all the people who regularly use the HPA transfer during a typical weekday onto 2 12-car M7 trains. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:20:22 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 2 06:07:28 2012. You are going to make the Hamptons Reserve patrons walk thru many coaches ? You will kill the business.There is no cost advantage to closing HPA. It is an unstaffed station. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:24:35 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 1 18:19:43 2012. Do you know what a feeder bus is ? Take a field trip to Kenosha, WI some day and watch all the reverse commuters along the UP-North Line from Chicago and Evanston board buses to their places of employment in Racine. Illinois is more automobile oriented than Long Island.The concept worked fine a few years ago when they closed down a Suufolk county road even though it was a make-shift set-up. MTA committed about $50M to purchase these things and it was not on a whim. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:26:51 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:20:22 2012. It has to be maintained and it has ticket machines. With no need for the LIRR/7 transfer, they can rip out the platform and machines and save $$$. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:29:50 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 1 18:19:43 2012. There is virtually no north-south rail service on the LIRR. If I want to go from Sayville to Smithtown, I have to take a train all the way to Jamaica and back. The LIRR is in no position to ease intra-island traffic. |
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Apr 2 17:32:20 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:46:50 2012. The 17:29 to KO originates out of HPA after leaving the LIC yard where it lays-up during the day. It is the only electric that is stored in the LIC Yard during the day. I believe its last run in the AM originates from Huntington and terminates at HPA. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:34:38 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:29:50 2012. To add, the LIRR could ease intra-island traffic somewhat by electrifying both the Montauk and Port Jefferson branches, removing the traffic which feeds the parking lots at all the Ronkonkoma branch stations, or at a minumum, spread it out. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:36:49 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Q4 on Mon Apr 2 17:32:20 2012. Interesting. I wonder why it serves one line in the AM and the other in the PM. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:37:22 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:43:21 2012. Then you'll be running an empty train to LIC, which offers an even worse transfer to the #7 than HPA. For your proposal, be ready to cough up $10M per station you want restored for ADA compliance. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:40:40 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:46:50 2012. Yes there is still the Huntington MU to HPA, and a Ronkonkoma back in the PM. Those will definitely be sent to ESA.When I was on lived West Hempstead branch, I had 2 stints of working on 3rd Avenue in the early 1980's, and always went to HPA. Co-workers had a rougher and longer commute going to NYPS with the sheep and doubling back on the E. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:41:44 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:50:44 2012. More like 3 12 car trains. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:43:18 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:29:50 2012. Again, you do not know what a feeder bus is and cannot think out of the box. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:46:36 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:26:51 2012. And then waste money running empty diesel trains to LIC since terminating them all at Jamaica will tie up the place. You have accomplished nothing.There is no need for ticket machines at either HPA or LIC now anyway. If they lift a paint brush there every 10 years, it's a lot. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 2 17:48:32 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:45:38 2012. So why did Richmond Hill merit a formal station, while the others didn't? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:50:00 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:36:49 2012. Availability of slots on each line.Much to your chagrin, the Ronkonkoma ones has it's peak load point east of Mineola. YES people do commuter intra-island. I remember the LIRR's chief service planner saying some years ago he had to expand the consist from 6 to 8 cars to handle them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:52:16 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Apr 1 20:33:20 2012. Used to be a Speonk train passing thru Valley at around 7:05am that did that. Don't know if that is still the case. I used to see it from my West Hempstead train, which stayed on the Montauk. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 17:52:37 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 2 17:48:32 2012. it's just the way that line is.Richmond Hill is elevated while Glendale, Fresh Pond and Penny Bridge are off the beaten path locations only known by buffs and the six customers who used those stations. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:55:58 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:43:18 2012. Feeder bus routes contribute to traffic jams. Most people who live on LI and work on LI will drive, unless you live and work in towns served by the same line. That's just a fact.Before committing to intra-island commuters, the LIRR has to improve it's reverse commuter (people living in NYC and working on LI) problem. Service is severely hamstrung by the main line's need to use both of it's tracks for peak service. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 17:57:51 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:43:21 2012. No one is going to take a diesel to HPA and then use the subway into GCT when ESA will provide direct LIRR service thereWhy not? It's the same difference. It might even be faster than transferring all the way back at Jamaica. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 17:58:22 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 15:44:45 2012. Eight tracks where? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 17:59:23 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 2 17:48:32 2012. Funding, most likely. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 18:03:05 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 17:46:36 2012. They can still run to LIC, they just don't have to serve HPA. Of course they will be empty, which is why I recommended running them on the lower Montauk and re-opening some of the closed stations. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 18:11:17 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 17:58:22 2012. One lower and upper level 2-track platform per tube. 4x2=8 |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 18:38:54 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 18:03:05 2012. You are not understanding anything.You have this fettish about closing HPA to allegedly save money, then want to waste money running empty trains to LIC. Re-opening closed station costs $10M each to construct, and you have again blown the economy of shutting HPA for as many times over as you have resurrected dead stations. If you proposed this at a LIRR-CC or an MTA Board meeting, they'd laugh you out of the room. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 18:43:59 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 2 17:55:58 2012. A feeder bus well utilized is 30 cars off the road.Most people who live on LI and work on LI will drive because there is no alternative, and you want to make sure they never get one as a self-fulfilling prophecy. ( Before committing to intra-island commuters) Why are you setting unnecessary prequisites and conditions ? There will be no 3 track main line for 10-20 years. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 2 18:50:07 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 2 17:57:51 2012. While HPA is a gym workout, trip-time between Jamaica and GCT will be no faster on the ESA.Jam - HPA is 17 minutes 2 - 4 minutes transfer time HP - GCT 5 minutes That averages 25 minutes. |
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