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Long Island City...

Posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:30:28 2012

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...after almost 30 years of riding the LIRR, I finally took the ride this morning from Jamaica to LIC thru Richmond Hill, Maspeth, etc. It was awesome, I highly recommend it.

I was surprised to see a trainset of M7s laid up in LIC.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 29 20:35:26 2012, in response to Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:30:28 2012.

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It's gotta be a bit of fun now that there are no stops on the Lower Montauk anymore. I remember when the stops were still on that line; people were indeed getting on and off.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:45:38 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 29 20:35:26 2012.

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Yeah, I was looking for the stations but they seem to be all gone except for Richmond Hill...


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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 29 20:53:41 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:45:38 2012.

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Believe it or not, they're still intact, or as intact as they were for ages while active. There weren't any platforms to speak of, save Richmond Hill of course; some of them had a low platform of sorts with enough room for one entrance door, which makes them unusable by the C3 cars.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 29 20:55:46 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:45:38 2012.

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You probably never would have noticed the stations even when they were operational. They were just stops on the train in the middle of nowhere!! The last time I rode it was in the early 70's when I went to Pace U. and took the LIRR to school. In those days every schedule for every station had a small LIC timetable in the corner.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 30 00:32:00 2012, in response to Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:30:28 2012.

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Awesome! Which side did you sit on?

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Mar 30 03:55:04 2012, in response to Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:30:28 2012.

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No reason to be surprised, they lay up a couple M7's in there every weekday.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 30 08:03:47 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Mar 30 03:55:04 2012.

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Well it is surprising if you did not know that there was third rail on one or two of those tracks down at the south end of the yard.

ROAR

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Mar 30 08:13:07 2012, in response to Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:30:28 2012.

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There is one fully electrified track at LIC and one train each weekday makes use of it each rush hour.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by aaron on Fri Mar 30 08:33:00 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 30 00:32:00 2012.

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I sat on the right side, so looking north...

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 08:46:33 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 29 20:35:26 2012.

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It was a blast when they stopped at the intermediate "stations".

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 08:47:15 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:45:38 2012.

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They didn't look much like stations even when they were there. In fact, they all look pretty much the same as they did when they were open, aside from the sign gone.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 08:53:54 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 29 20:53:41 2012.

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Yup. Most were just a sign at a grade crossing. In some periods, the signs weren't even there!

Here they all are in their decrepid glory. These were ALL OPERATING stations at the time of these photos which were the early 90's.

Richmond Hill:



Glendale:



Fresh Pond. The Jamaica bound train is leaving the station. The Jamaica side "platform" is the ballast between the two tracks on the right of the train. The "wall" platform on the left is the IN USE LIC bound side.





Haberman (notice WTC)


Penny Bridge:



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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by seabeachexpress on Fri Mar 30 09:15:23 2012, in response to Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:30:28 2012.

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Now there is only 1 train and it's the AM westbound . I took it back in the early 80's when there was 1 AM & PM and it was a Oyster Bay train extended from Jamaica. I remember the stops at Fresh Pond, Haberman , Penny Bridge. It was always a road switcher with a PA2 power pack on the end. Never saw a GP38 on it.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 30 10:48:35 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Mar 30 08:13:07 2012.

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big oaf.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 14:27:17 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:45:38 2012.

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None of the stations looked like stations when open. I think the only station with any infrastructure left outside Richmond Hill is Fresh Pond, and that consists of the remains of a rusty metal staircase. Glendale was at a grade crossing. Haberman and Penny Bridge were basically nowhere.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 14:29:20 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by seabeachexpress on Fri Mar 30 09:15:23 2012.

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There was a PM train which used the line, but it was diverted to the main line in 2010 when the LIRR cut a thru train to Port Jefferson and had this train pick up the traffic at HPA it used to carry.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 30 14:35:23 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 08:53:54 2012.

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F'n AWESOME!!!

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 16:34:59 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by seabeachexpress on Fri Mar 30 09:15:23 2012.

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There were four trains until the end. In the morning, there were two trains. One from Oyster Bay, and left Jamaica at 8:11 bound for LIC. At 8:15 was the second one, which made the local stops, and that came from Patchogue. The morning Oyster Bay Train was usually an F unit and an MP15 on the other end. The Patchogue train was usually either an M15 or F unit on one side, and a GP38 on the other.
In the afternoon there were two trains also, one semi-express, and the other a full local. The first one was the semi-express and started in LIC a little before 5, and stopped at only Penny Bridge, Haberman, and Fresh Pond, skipped both Glendale and Richmond Hill. About a half hour, the second train went through, full local making all stops, and also went to Oyster Bay.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 16:37:26 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 14:27:17 2012.

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Correct. I posted photos in the other post. Richmond Hill was a normal station. Fresh Pond was a run down second. It had curbs for the original ballast platforms, in total disrepair, and the stairway. That's it. It consisted of the wall platform, and the "island" platform which one side had the Jamaica track, and the other track the Bushwick Branch turn off.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 30 17:04:28 2012, in response to Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:30:28 2012.

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Probably in the inbound Huntington MU/Outbound Ronkonkoma MU

In M-1 days, those trains used to deadhead in and out and never saw the yard.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Mar 30 17:20:08 2012, in response to Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:30:28 2012.

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I have one fond memory of riding that branch in the late '70s when the old push-pull equipment was running.

Heading toward Jamaica in the PM, we pulled into a station, maybe it was Glendale, when some guy runs out of the bar across the street to board the train I was on.

He may have been the only one to board at that stop, I didn't see anyone on the platform.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 30 17:23:27 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Mar 30 17:20:08 2012.

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What platform ?

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Mar 30 17:57:05 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 08:53:54 2012.

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Very nice!

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:07:06 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Mar 30 17:20:08 2012.

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That had to be Glendale, there was a bar across from the "station" until the 80's.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:07:31 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 30 17:23:27 2012.

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LOL....yeah, that's what I was thinking, lol.

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Glendale Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:11:20 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:07:31 2012.

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Even "back in the day", Glendale didn't have much of a platform....



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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 18:30:59 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 08:53:54 2012.

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I thought they had lost their signs by the early 90's.

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Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 18:31:33 2012, in response to Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:11:20 2012.

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Dat third rail ...

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 30 18:34:35 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 30 17:23:27 2012.

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That platform, of course.

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Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:40:49 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 18:31:33 2012.

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Yup, Glendale was electrified with third rail to Fresh Pond Yard. It came from the Rockaway Branch.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:42:41 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 18:30:59 2012.

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They had lost them by the late 80's. But around 1991 or 1992, they put all new signs with the blue stripe on top. Haberman never lost it though, and for a while it had one old one, and one new one.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:44:46 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:42:41 2012.

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Once they got the new signs in the early 90's, they all kept them until the end in 1998.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:46:24 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 16:34:59 2012.

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Actually, sometimes the Oyster bay trains were two MP15's, one on each end.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Train2104 on Fri Mar 30 18:51:01 2012, in response to Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:30:28 2012.

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How was ridership west of Jamaica? The book says 20. (BTW, this is the busiest OB AM rush train east of Jam)

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Mar 30 19:35:27 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 08:53:54 2012.

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At least Richmond Hill was an actual station. I'm surprised it wasn't kept open.

My blog

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 30 19:47:55 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Mar 30 19:35:27 2012.

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LIRR wanted complete latitude on what to run to LIC via Main Line vs. Lower Montauk. We saw that when an LIC-Oyster Bay job had to backfill for a Port Jeff job that was made into a shuttle.

(Of course, they picked the wrong Port Jeff train to make a shuttle. There are 4 car Hunterspoint-PJ trains at 340 and 630 which survive, but they went after the 5:11 - in the heart of rush hour, and downgraded an Huntington express to do so)

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 30 19:50:27 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:46:24 2012.

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The FRA banned the practice of running MP15's cab-forward in the 1980's, so the 2900's become a rarity on that branch.

After Ronkonkoma was electrified, 40 - 50 push-pull coaches were retired, the Oyster Bay line saw the return of the 2900's on a LIC train, and got 2 MP15's back-to-back.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Mar 30 20:05:55 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Fri Mar 30 08:33:00 2012.

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So you saw what I saw that day but in the opposite order.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 30 22:24:44 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 08:53:54 2012.

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Thanks for posting these.

How would someone who didn't regularly ride know that these were "stations"?

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 30 22:27:43 2012, in response to Long Island City..., posted by aaron on Thu Mar 29 20:30:28 2012.

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The real shame is that if lower montauk were connected to manhattan, it would be a useful line. Everyone always proposes making the Atlantic branch a rapid transit line, but lower montauk would be a much better candidate.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Mar 31 00:21:56 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 30 22:27:43 2012.

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The Atlantic branch is grade separated, the Lower Montauk isn't and there's freight.

It's still possible to grade separate new tracks for passenger service while keeping existing at-grade tracks for freight and connect the former to the East River tunnels or ESA. Just make sure not to serve any of the communities in between who opposed all projects of the sixties and seventies.:p

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 07:14:24 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 30 22:27:43 2012.

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It is a useful line. Just about 100% of LOng Island's and Brooklyn/Queens freight uses that line. Just because it doesn't have much passenger use doesn't make it "useless".

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 07:15:09 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Mar 30 19:35:27 2012.

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Richmond Hill was perhaps the LEAST used station of the local stations.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 08:19:10 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Fri Mar 30 22:24:44 2012.

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That's just it, you didn't !
That's an old Penn Central technique in killing service, and it works like a charm.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Mar 31 08:35:52 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:07:06 2012.

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That had to be Glendale, there was a bar across from the "station" until the 80's.

Thank you.

Hope the dude tipped the bartender before running out to catch the train !

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Mar 31 08:44:14 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 30 17:23:27 2012.

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What platform ?

Couldn't see if there was a platform sitting in the car. Only the Richmond Hill station had that luxury, and high level too !

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Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City...

Posted by Dan on Sat Mar 31 10:06:10 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:40:49 2012.

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When was the 3rd rail removed. Great photos.

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Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City...

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 10:28:33 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Dan on Sat Mar 31 10:06:10 2012.

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I think when they stopped using electric for freight? In any event it was long before the end of the rockaway branch....where glendale's electric came from.

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Re: Long Island City...

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 31 10:30:13 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 07:15:09 2012.

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Richmond Hill was perhaps the LEAST used station of the local stations.

Yup. Who would use it, being so close to Jamaica?

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