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Posted by Randyo on Wed Mar 30 21:46:21 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 30 16:55:58 2011. There were a few R-16 with Southern Div signs. After Chrystie and the TA replaced the end destination signs with the then new route letters, the routes signs were not removed but merely turned to blank. During the week I worked the Culver shuttle, I was fortunate enough to have one of the R-16s on the north end that had the Southern Route numbers. During that week the train ran displaying 5/Culver on the end route sign along with the green SS. I could never understand why all the R-16s did not have all the BMT routes on their signs but since they were the first cars delivered to the NYCTA rather than the B of T I guess it was just a sign of the future incompetence of the NYCTA planners like not having all the possible double and single letter IND/BMT route names on the R-27s through 38s. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 31 07:54:59 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 30 16:55:58 2011. And when they ran on the Franklin Ave. shuttle, they proudly displayed a 7 up front. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 31 16:57:12 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Randyo on Wed Mar 30 21:46:21 2011. The TA detested anything BMT, whether it be route designations, route names, or technology. So I am suprised that as late as 1954, when the Culver line was to be "cleansed" and given to the IND Division, they get R16's with numeric signs.Pre-Chrystie, I don't think they had any letter signs except A and maybe S. As for A, I don't know if that was just the 50 assigned to Pitkin, or all 200. During the 1965 (or 1966) Jamaica Yard crisis when about 40 Standards were pulled off the scrap line on the Seabeach tracks and sent to the Eastern division to displace R16's to Jamaica Yard, they did display GG. I don't know how they did that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 31 17:00:08 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 31 07:54:59 2011. Right after Chrystie, they got them off the QJ/JJ within about 4 weeks. They visited the Eastern Division only as several of the RJ's.Nonetheless, and I never heard anybody here talk about it, they stuck a tacky , cardstock sign on the end route sign of "RR" and a "95th Street" on the south side sign. I don't know why they did the latter. They has all the "B" Division destinations. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 31 21:15:42 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 31 17:00:08 2011. One R-11 was modified to m. u. with other SMEEs after an R-16 was lost, so that particular car spent quite a bit of time in Three Stooges territory. During the R-34 rebuild, the rest of them were modified to m. u. with other SMEEs. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Mar 31 21:37:47 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 31 16:57:12 2011. They probably grabbed some spare side signs intended for the R-27s/30s. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Mar 31 21:38:56 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 31 21:15:42 2011. That was car 8010 and AFAIK, it was also rebuilt into an R-34 with the rest of the fleet. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 1 08:10:04 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Randyo on Thu Mar 31 21:37:47 2011. They added, "GG LOCAL" to the side route signs. The route sign in my BMT standard sign box has one of those.IIRC when the Jamaica Yard crisis hit, 32 R-16s were borrowed from the Three Stooges Division and put in service on the GG with new signs spliced in while those condemned BMT standards were assigned to the Broadway-Brooklyn local. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 1 17:57:19 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 1 08:10:04 2011. I remember that. I was in shock one Saturday evening that an (immaculate) R16 was on a GG (6 cars). At that same time, I thought the ratio of Standards to R16's on the 14 local was a bit higher.Why couldn't they just put the Standards on the GG directly ? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 1 18:21:35 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 1 17:57:19 2011. IND crews unfamiliar with them. Platforms with incompatible car marker/conductor position signs. The IND being favored over the BMT. Take your pick. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 1 19:20:54 2011, in response to R-32 on the A, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sat Mar 26 04:37:20 2011. Interesting rumor heard today that as of May 1, R-32s on the A will not be so rare. From what I heard the plan is to take 16 R-46 consists from Pitkin and 2 from Jamaica and run them on the (C) line. 192 R-32s would be switched to the "A" line for Lefferts Blvd. Service only. Rockaway service will continue to be R-46s. As I said, so far, "unconfirmed". |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 1 22:45:31 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 1 19:20:54 2011. Why play all those musical cars - just run the "C" to Lefferts and be done with it! But, seriously folks, I am going to enjoy getting an RFW in Fulton Express, as, I am sure, many of my friends here will as well. I guess 5814-5821 are going to get their Jamaica walking papers, if they are doing the same bookkeepping.-w- |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sat Apr 2 06:29:07 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 1 19:20:54 2011. Interesting.... |
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Posted by SBS79 on Sat Apr 2 07:13:00 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by LRG5784 on Sat Apr 2 06:29:07 2011. What about the 52 R46 cars that are going to be removed from the G line if the G line moves to CI Yard? Can't they use those 52 R46 cars on the C line. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Sat Apr 2 08:49:50 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 1 19:20:54 2011. Good. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Apr 2 09:04:10 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 1 19:20:54 2011. From what I heard the plan is to take 16 R-46 consists from Pitkin and 2 from Jamaica and run them on the (C) line.Eff..... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Apr 2 09:11:25 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 1 19:20:54 2011. Oh well i might as well get used to the 10 car markers along the Line i guess.. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 2 09:14:46 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Railman718 on Sat Apr 2 09:11:25 2011. On the plus side, you won't be needing to carry a brake handle with you. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Apr 2 09:22:53 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 2 09:14:46 2011. On the plus side, you won't be needing to carry a brake handle with you.I said it before and i will say it again Steve.. EFF.... |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 2 10:33:41 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 1 19:20:54 2011. Would 18 R46 consists cover the entire C service ?That means more equipment is required if full-length C's are to run. If R32's accelerate better than R46's, then Lefferts trains will catch up to Far Rockaway trains over the length of the run. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 2 11:20:27 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 1 22:45:31 2011. Hopefully that will be the case during my annual visit this fall. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 2 11:29:42 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 1 18:21:35 2011. AFAIK there were no conductor boards back then. People used common sense. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 2 12:15:04 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 2 10:33:41 2011. Yes - except for G.O.s, the (C) line uses 18 trains. Since they now use 8 car (C) trains and would thus use 8 car R-46s, no more equipment would be needed for the (C). The 16 trains would go from 8 cars to 10 cars and that would require 32 additional cars for the . If the R-32s accelerated better than the R-46s then the signals would prevent them from catching up tot he Far Rockaway trains. But since there is no significant difference in acceleration or top end speed, it's a non-issue. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 2 14:35:57 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 1 18:21:35 2011. Not true about the IND crews. AMUE was not strange to them. The BMT crews did not find the R9's all that strange when they got reassigned to ENY in 1968. They also had Standards running on the Bway Local to Forest Hills from 1958 until the R27's invaded. Some Standards got Forest Hills , Smith 9th, and GG Crosstown Local signs splixed into their mylar just in case Jamaica Yard needed to press one into GG service.. I believe I remember seeing stop markers on the IND such as 6R, 6, 8R, 8, etc. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Apr 2 16:07:11 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 1 19:20:54 2011. April Fools. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 2 16:34:17 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 2 14:35:57 2011. My BMT standard signbox has GG LOCAL on the route curtain. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 2 19:04:27 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 1 08:10:04 2011. The steels had "GG LOCAL" on the side curtains the R-16s had "GG/ Bkln-Queens Local" on theirs. When I was a new C/R in 1966, I got a few runs on the 4 Av Lcl as it was called then and I remember seeing the R-16s out in Queens. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 2 19:08:19 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 2 09:14:46 2011. You had better carry a brake handle just in case an R-32 does show up on the line. When I was a M/M in early 1970, the B was solid R-32s but I still carried my brake plug in case an R-9 might still show up there. Even when I worked the RR on S/S, I still carried my plug in case for some strange reason an R-9 might even show up there. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 2 19:37:08 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 2 19:08:19 2011. Didn't most of the motormen of that era have their brake plug chained to their reverser key? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 2 20:01:04 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 2 19:04:27 2011. Was it all the Standards that got the GG signs ? I think 400 were assigned to ENY, which got an overhaul in the late 1950's, and generally did not mix with the Southern Division ones, which were pretty much gone by the tim the R30A's came along. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Apr 2 23:21:35 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Apr 2 16:07:11 2011. No I heard it today from someone else who works the C durning the week. Train Dude it right. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 3 00:17:08 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 2 20:01:04 2011. Judging from the larger route curtains that pop up on ebay, I'd say not too many. I don't remember the car number that my sign box came out of, but I believe it was from a 2700-series car. The GG LOCAL sign is at the THree Stooges Division end, right after 14th St. Line. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Apr 3 00:25:49 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 29 00:16:08 2011. Mostly R160s. R68s are relegated to the CCYD and run almost exclusively on the D and occasionally the B, which is mostly R68As. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Apr 3 01:13:39 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Apr 3 00:25:49 2011. Not quite true. about 150 of the 425 R68s are out of Coney Island, and run on the B N and S, Not substantially smaller than the fleet of 200 R68As assigned to CI |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Sun Apr 3 08:46:13 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Railman718 on Sat Apr 2 23:21:35 2011. Ha I would love it. Atleast the cabs are bigger and the seats are better. Great to hear this Train Dude. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 3 09:33:17 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by North-Easten T/O on Sun Apr 3 08:46:13 2011. Eff, This was the talk of 168th street yesterday. Some of these people are looking forward to having these monsters on the line. Making matters worse I'm effing stuck here Until the end of June eff, eff eff. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 3 09:57:40 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 3 09:33:17 2011. I won't believe this till it happens, which I don't expect.There would be a net increase of car requirements since the A and C would both be 600'. They have a hard time making service as it is. It makes dispatching at 207 problematic in case trains come n/b out of place. They're not going to ABD a train in case only an R32 is available to Far Rock! Signs have to be changed too. You don't have a bunch of WAA people all the time. How can you relay on time at Euclid with only 1 switchman with an R46? And if he isn't there that day the crew office doesn't cover the job? With R46's on the C, it will take longer to do the relay. At 168 the swm can use the benchwall. You don't have that at Euclid. I'm still waiting for R68's on the G, which was rumored to happen well before 6/26. Didn't happen. I'm with you wanting this pick to end. As of today, 12 more weeks left in this pick. I'm not saying where I am or what I do, but I am associated with the line this pick. I'm counting them down too. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 3 09:59:49 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 3 09:57:40 2011. They relayed with the R-44s last summer and it was not too problematic. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 3 10:03:41 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 3 09:59:49 2011. When they had that funky G.O right Steve? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 3 10:06:24 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 3 09:57:40 2011. It wont matter in my case Bill i cant get what i want on the Weekends since they jacked up the J Line. Im stuck where i am for at least another pick if im correct.So whatever equipment comes this way so be it eff, eff, eff... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 3 10:07:03 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 3 09:59:49 2011. Not every C train was an R44 last summer so the lone swm at Euclid was available whenever one came in, but with 18 trains of 600' cars he can't double end every one of them.The lone PM swm at Euclid (not me) this pick is off SM and many times the crew office refuses to cover the job on Mondays. Policy. They will not bring somebody in to work a switching job on an RDO. Unless Euclid runs an extra train: then the guys lose 10 minutes time off their breaks or lunch. Yeah, that's what they'll do! But since we are low on the food chain............ |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 3 10:09:56 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 3 10:06:24 2011. The point is if you are on the C you still have 12 more weeks to deal with the B.S. and crappy R32's. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 3 10:12:21 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 3 10:09:56 2011. The point is if you are on the C you still have 12 more weeks to deal with the B.S. and crappy R32's.Cant go anywhere Else for the times im looking for Bill so im stuck here for the summer its looking like... Builds Character though... Eff.. Eff.. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 3 10:13:24 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 3 10:03:41 2011. No.When they had all those R32's out of service due to b/o air conditioning. Notice there has been a train of R32's on 12 track FP Yard all winter. If they are such bad performers, put them on the scrap/reef line. If not, these cars should be restored. They even have their wheels chained with flags and trips on both ends! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 3 10:13:25 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 3 10:07:03 2011. Unless Euclid runs an extra train: then the guys lose 10 minutes time off their breaks or lunch.B I N G O You won the prize Bill!!! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 3 10:15:07 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 3 10:13:24 2011. Something about the compressors as well with that train Bill.I see it three days a week i also see the other "Bill" over there in that shack i say hy from time to time.. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 3 10:20:06 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 3 10:15:07 2011. Has to be something more than just the compressors which are going to go bad no matter what just by being out there all winter, just sitting there not being touched. Firthermore, a compressor problem is no big deal: JUST CHANGE THEM OUT in the barn! Notice there are 8 1/2 x 11 sheets of paper taped to the winshield and storm door glass with "instructions".No, I have no idea is written on them so I don't want any questions from the peanut gallery. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 3 10:25:46 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 3 10:20:06 2011. Its something else then as well has to be... |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sun Apr 3 15:00:27 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 3 09:59:49 2011. If this happens, will some of the Brightliners get your TLC or are they all stuck with 207th? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 3 15:21:51 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sun Apr 3 15:00:27 2011. This becomes difficult to answer for several reasons. The simple answer would be "YES" but not for the reasons that you might assume. It's been planned for some time to re-configure the fleet maintenance of the B division. One of the key components of that plan would be the closing of 207th St "Maintenance Shop" as a B division facility and transfer responsibility of that fleet to Pitkin Shop. Thus 207th St would either:1) Remain a satellite facility of Pitkin Shop 2) Become the maintenance facility for the #1 line and 240th St shop would be closed. 3) Become a northern work train maintenance facility As for the rest, I would rather discuss via e-mail. 2) |
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