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R-32 on the A

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sat Mar 26 04:37:20 2011

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Due to an equipment shortage, a train of R-32 cars was operated on the A line yesterday morning. It made the 0603 from 207 St. to Lefferts Blvd., and the 0732 from Lefferts Blvd. to 207 St., where it was promptly laid up to 207 St. Yard.
The consist (from the south) was: 3488/89, 3405/04, 3778/79, 3644/21, 3728/29.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 26 18:33:36 2011, in response to R-32 on the A, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sat Mar 26 04:37:20 2011.

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Thursday night there was a b/o A train at 207 station. They had to sectionalize the train and flag it one way to get it to the yard.

It can safely be said that the train in question was not repaired by the AM rush, hence the need for the R32 set to make service.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sat Mar 26 20:09:37 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 26 18:33:36 2011.

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Bill, you probably hit the nail right on the head!

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 26 20:23:09 2011, in response to R-32 on the A, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sat Mar 26 04:37:20 2011.

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So I take it if there's a need for an R32 on the A, it'll be for only the Lefferts Branch?

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 26 20:26:42 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 26 20:23:09 2011.

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No such thing. R-32s can be used for Far Rockaway service as well.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 26 20:27:39 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 26 20:23:09 2011.

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I guess they try to have some mercy on the crews, although about a week-and-a-half ago there was an R32 set running on the A one evening in Leffets service. By sending it out on that interval they are able to run it for just one trip and get rid of it.

Last Wednesday around 5 PM, there was a delay on the A to Far Rock and Euclid rerouted a C out there. Screwed the crew.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 26 20:32:21 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 26 20:26:42 2011.

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oh, ok, thanks. Would be nice [railfan perspective] to get one more ride on an R32 over the bay.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by R32_3671 on Sat Mar 26 21:04:20 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 26 20:32:21 2011.

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Those R46's are doing real Bad, They mind as well keep the R32's on the (A) for back up, the R32's brakedown less than the R46's

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 26 21:26:15 2011, in response to R-32 on the A, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sat Mar 26 04:37:20 2011.

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Good to see them still earning their miles, even if only for a cameo appearance!! Pics would have been nice!!! :-)

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by D to E to Jamaica on Sat Mar 26 21:33:53 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 26 21:26:15 2011.

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The 46's must be doing bad. Thursday I saw an odd set of(n)AAAA-ABBA(s) ont the A I believe 6220 was the north motor or in the consist

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 26 21:39:12 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Sat Mar 26 21:33:53 2011.

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What's so odd about that?

How are they supposed to utilize the AA cars?

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 26 21:40:31 2011, in response to R-32 on the A, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sat Mar 26 04:37:20 2011.

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The R-32s are always a welcome sight on the Abbott.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 26 22:11:39 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Sat Mar 26 21:33:53 2011.

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That hardly would make them bad. The A-As are used regularly

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 27 00:18:19 2011, in response to R-32 on the A, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sat Mar 26 04:37:20 2011.

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Saw that one later in the day on the "C" (about 1:40pm @ 14 St s/b)

-w-

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Mar 27 00:29:39 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 26 20:27:39 2011.

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Good point.

Ouch.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Mar 27 00:40:35 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Mar 26 21:40:31 2011.

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Don't diss the Costello :D

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 27 01:14:23 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 27 00:18:19 2011.

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...........after 2 cars were taken off at 207 YD.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by b/p rupture on Sun Mar 27 07:10:42 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 26 20:27:39 2011.

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Last Wednesday around 5 PM, there was a delay on the A to Far Rock and Euclid rerouted a C out there. Screwed the crew.

No, it screwed the railfans that missed seeing/photographing it!rofl

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 27 08:08:29 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 26 20:27:39 2011.

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Now if a R32 actually showed up on the J, most of us would never know, because the servers hear would keep crashing from overload.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 27 10:33:05 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 26 20:27:39 2011.

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Damn.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 27 11:52:30 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 26 18:33:36 2011.

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The proof is in the pudding: they over-scrapped the R32. HVAC can be fixed.

(Budd Heritage cars live on at Amtrak and VIA Rail - Pullman Standards do not)

Given the 35 years of age of the R46, time to pull them off full time service.
Swap Pitkin's allotment with as many R68's at CIY, and run the R46's on the B train. Then assign the G to CIY and leave it with its R46's.

They should also run R46's on several Kings Hwy F's that do 1 or 2 trips a day, and displace those R160's to the R. Try to run R160's on the overnite R shuttle, so the R46 can sleep even more.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Mar 27 12:58:48 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 26 20:27:39 2011.

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Last Wednesday around 5 PM, there was a delay on the A to Far Rock and Euclid rerouted a C out there. Screwed the crew.

I sure hope it wasn't their go-home train!!! I know a whole lot about those things happening when it is ones go-home, last train!!! :-P

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Mar 27 12:59:54 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Mar 27 00:29:39 2011.

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Ouch ain't the word, TRUST ME!!! :-D

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Mar 27 13:01:35 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 27 10:33:05 2011.

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Trust me, bro, damn would not be the word if it happened to you!!! TRUST ME, especially if it is a crews' last train!!

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 27 13:05:46 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Mar 27 13:01:35 2011.

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I bet they would be LIVID....

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Mar 27 13:08:06 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 27 13:05:46 2011.

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Putting it lightly......I know something about it!!! :-D

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 27 14:15:05 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Mar 27 00:40:35 2011.

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Now, over at 125th St., we've got Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third...

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 27 14:16:04 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 27 00:18:19 2011.

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Did you visit the Three Stooges Division?:)

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 27 15:50:56 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Mar 27 12:58:48 2011.

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At least if it's their get away trip they can make $$$ since there is no such thing as extra service anymore. You go anywhere they reroute you.

In their case it was their first half. They got a measly no lunch (blood $$), and were in and out all night trying to catch up, with other crews jumping ahead since for awhile they weren't where they were supposed to be.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun Mar 27 17:04:08 2011, in response to R-32 on the A, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sat Mar 26 04:37:20 2011.

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A couple of weeks ago, there was a similar situation on the A. Not the first and won't be the last......

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by bklyntekgeek on Sun Mar 27 17:54:06 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 26 18:33:36 2011.

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Or bring back the R-44's that are in storage and put them back on the A and maybe swap the R-46's over to the C and problem solved :P.


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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 27 18:05:35 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 27 14:16:04 2011.

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Yes, but only ONE stooge - THE MIDDLE ONE!

-w-

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 27 18:07:29 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Mar 27 00:40:35 2011.

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I just missed an Abbott at Bway Jct, and Costello came in about five minutes later - just as it closed its doors, ANOTHER "A" came in. The local promptly beat the lazy R46 to Utica.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 27 18:16:00 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by bklyntekgeek on Sun Mar 27 17:54:06 2011.

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Then you have full-length trains on the C, which is a waste of resources, at least for those 8 train sets, unless you run 6 car "C" with R46's 2 car sets, of which there are 12 or 14. But then you are under-serving it and I don't think there are car-stop markers and conductor boards for 6 car 75-footers.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 27 18:18:43 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 27 18:07:29 2011.

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This is like what happened when the R27's hit the Brighton local in 1960. A friend tells me who lived through it that an R27 local was faster than a Express with Standars, though I don't know why he didn't see Triplexes.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 27 19:12:21 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by bklyntekgeek on Sun Mar 27 17:54:06 2011.

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You're not following the board.

The R44's are not coming back as per Train Dude. Announced yesterday in another thread.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 27 19:47:50 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 27 19:12:21 2011.

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I know - I think you meant that for bklyntechgeek

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 27 19:51:23 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 27 19:47:50 2011.

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Yeah, I did respond to bklyntechgeek.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Mar 28 08:07:20 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 27 18:05:35 2011.

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That rules out the Howard brothers, then.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Mar 28 08:11:14 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 27 18:18:43 2011.

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Well, you've got four 100-hp motors per car on the R-27s, which weighed around 40 tons apiece. OTOH the BMT standards had two 140-hp motors per car and weighed 47-49 tons apiece. I didn't think the standards were all that sluggish when I rode them on the Larry from 1967 to 1969.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Mar 28 08:13:46 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Mar 27 13:08:06 2011.

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Can you imagine what sort of uproar there would have been if the R-10s were still around?

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Mar 28 11:52:29 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Mar 28 08:07:20 2011.

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It was a FINE trip!

-w-

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Mar 28 23:25:31 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 27 18:16:00 2011.

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Didn't my Sea Beach train have the use of the R-32's? I wonder what runs on that line now since I haven't rail fanned there since 2008/

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 29 00:16:08 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Mar 28 23:25:31 2011.

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Mix of R68s and R160s.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Mar 29 08:02:02 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Mar 28 23:25:31 2011.

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The R-32s were associated with your train for many years. In fact, I still associate them with the Norton (that's what I call the N). My very first subway ride was on a Sea Beach Express of shiny new R-32s on July 21, 1965. Truth be told, I don't actually remember seeing an N marking, but I do remember the green backlit "57th St." side signs, which confirmed it was an N. Back then, the West End Express or the the T, ran to Astoria on weekdays when it operated.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Mar 29 08:09:45 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Mar 28 11:52:29 2011.

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"You sure look funny in orange."
"Be quiet." (slap)



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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Mar 29 21:33:59 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Mar 29 08:02:02 2011.

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I've been told Steve that there was still a small residue of Sea Beach trains still carrying the #4 designation even though by 1964 the train has been rechristened the "N". Thanks for the info.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 30 08:14:54 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Mar 29 21:33:59 2011.

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There may have been a Triplex train or two still running over there, but chances are the ones that were still around were on the West End. That's where they ended their careers. The N marking came into being with the arrival of the R-27s in 1960. They were initially assigned to the Brighton local, but once they had arrived in sufficient numbers, they held down all weekend service on the Southern Division, so you'd see N, QB, RR, T and TT trains on Saturdays and Sundays. I hear that the most frequently asked question was, "What's a QB/N/RR/T/TT?"

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Randyo on Wed Mar 30 14:16:02 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Mar 29 08:02:02 2011.

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The West End Express also ran to 57 St on Saturdays and depending on where you saw the train it could also have been a Q/Brighton Express which also ran to 57 St.

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Re: R-32 on the A

Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 30 16:55:58 2011, in response to Re: R-32 on the A, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 30 08:14:54 2011.

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I suppose if the R16's were to ever run on pre-Chrystie Southern Division, they would have had to display numeric signs. I do not know if their roll signs had 1 thru 9 on them. I know that had at least A, 10, 13 thru 16, though north and south destination sings for much of the "B" division. I have seen pictures of them with "95th St, Frt Hmltn".

The R11/34 did run on the West End and Brighton at one time or another as the 3 and 1.

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