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Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 15:14:41 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 20 15:06:02 2012. I will rephrase that: "not from Mexico or Central America," many of whom have significant Amerind ancestry. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 20 15:14:47 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 14:47:19 2012. The young man is dead. He's no more or less dead because the shooter is Hispanic or white than he would be if the shooter were Asian or black or even Asian black. This is more left wing bullshit to keep people at odds with each other - democratic divide and conquer strategy at its best.The "left wing bullshit" is because the murderer isn't being prosecuted simply by claiming self defense. |
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Re: The Knoxville Horror |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 15:16:25 2012, in response to The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 15:08:51 2012. I don't see any miscarriage of justice. The killers were apprehended and convicted. It sounds like they won a retrial, but it's not as though they are on the loose in the meantime.A possible miscarriage of justice is more newsworthy than a horrible crime where justice is done. Did you read the NY Times article (yes, the NY Times) about the horrible crimes on the Wind River Indian Reservation in Wyoming? Where has all the news media (except for the NY Times) been for those terrible crimes? |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 15:16:26 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 20 15:00:54 2012. No, but Madonna is, though she wouldn't have been considered so a century ago.This is absurd. One day this may all shake out, when and if it doesn't serve someone's political agenda. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 20 15:18:33 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 15:14:41 2012. Peruvians, Ecuadorians, Colombians, Venezuelans, etc look like Italians, Spaniards and Jews? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 15:18:45 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 20 15:14:47 2012. I would say it is because the killer isn't being INVESTIGATED simply because he claimed self-defense.It's quite possible that a proper investigation might find only criminally negligent homicide, or possibly manslaughter, and not murder. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 15:32:00 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 20 15:18:33 2012. I didn't say that. In this country you can be considered "Hispanic" for civil rights purposes if you are simply "Spanish surnamed." That includes a lot of people. In fact I know a young woman who has a German surname who got a "Hispanic" scholarship because her mother had a Spanish surname.If you saw her, she doesn't look Italian or Spanish or Jewish or Peruvian, or any of these. She looks German. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Mar 20 16:56:59 2012, in response to Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:49:59 2012. I think it's time the Federal Government took over law enforcement in the CSA territories. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Mar 20 16:58:08 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 15:32:00 2012. I know an Irish blonde named Ramirez. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:17:36 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 14:46:41 2012. I won't deny that Sharpton's audience is the McDonald's audience. But the segment of whites who listen to Rush are certainly the Rush element. You don't know how many times I've been at a local McDonald's in Florida and seen anti-Obama stickers on a truck or noticed Fox News on the television.I wish I could remember the name of the place now, but there was a chicken joint where we stopped to get dinner in Tennessee on our drive back from Alabama, and I could tell you about the young (and fairly hot) blond girl proudly displaying her rebel flag t-shirt. I guess that's the chicken shack element... |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:23:21 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 14:55:44 2012. I think the majority of Hispanics (not from Latin America) are as "white" as Italians or Spaniards or, for that matter, Jews.That depends. Most "Hispanics" from Mexico are Mestizo (White/Native American). Those from Puerto Rico are (what I call) "Mulattomest" (mostly White/Black/some Taino Native). Those from the Dominican Republic are like Puerto Ricans but more Black and less of the other two. Those from Cuba as mostly White (Spaniard). Those from Central America are mostly Native, with some White. Those from points south of Brazil are mostly White. Since the overwhelming majority of American "Hispanics" are Mexican, Puerto Rican, Dominican, and Cuban, in that order, there you go. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:25:18 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 14:55:44 2012. It is an irony that ethnic Germans and Poles and Jews are all blandly called white in this country, when they sure weren't (and probably aren't) in the Mother Country*It's taken awhile for all European groups to simply be "White" in America, mostly through generations of intermixing and rising numbers of non-Europeans to contrast against. |
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Re: The Knoxville Horror |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:34:00 2012, in response to The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 15:08:51 2012. You mean this:(http://www.amren.com/ar/2007/07/>
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:42:13 2012, in response to The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 15:08:51 2012. There's another similar story here:(From http://www.vdare.com/articles/two-white-youths-killed-walking-while-white-in-tulsa-oklahoma)
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:43:51 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:34:00 2012. that's the one. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:46:17 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 15:16:25 2012. A possible miscarriage of justice is more newsworthy than a horrible crime where justice is done.? "justice is done"? There is no verdict in the Trayvon case yet it's becoming a national story. Knoxville Horror is an example of a media "black out". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:49:53 2012, in response to Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 20 15:05:25 2012. You don't support gay marriage (but civil unions) right? In the eyes of too many, that's considered not believing in gay rights.Militants like JayZeeBMT spin it that way. Most people fighting for gay marriage could care less about the tax, health, and death benefits they will now receive(and I think they deserve these rights). They just like knowing they have the power to define something so important in society. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:50:17 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 20 15:00:54 2012. Yes. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:51:44 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 20 11:48:50 2012. Are you "The Flxible Neofan" going to listen to 1600am tonight to hear The Reverend Al Sharpton? This topic is all they'll talk about. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 19:33:16 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:42:13 2012. I think, as you pointed out, overall whites are in greater danger than blacks in the category of interracial crime.Cops in Tampa are in very serious danger in black communities. I say that because every cop killed in line of duty in Tampa since I moved here has been killed by a black male. That's why Trayvon story will be big. It's so rare that whites are violent aggressors against blacks, these days. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 19:44:38 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:25:18 2012. No, its taken the census bureau and racial politics to designate as a race, huge numbers of diverse people into a single category "white," likewise "Black/African American/Negro" another single category, but then we get eleven flavors of Asian/Pacific Islander; including "other Asian" in which you are to "Print race, for example, Hmong, Laotian, Thai, Pakistani, Cambodian, and so on." That's a direct quote.Note our politicians, who think all whites are one race, and all blacks one race, think that "Pakistani" is a race. Wow. |
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Re: Trayvon |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 19:46:06 2012, in response to Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:49:59 2012. does anyone know the history of the name "Trayvon"?I have never heard of Trayvon. Anyone hear of this name before now? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 20:50:29 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:46:17 2012. The lack of mainstream media attention to the Knoxville Horror is no different from the lack of media attention to the Wind River crimes. Why haven't conservatives been up in arms about that? The Wind River situation is worse than Knoxville. Why is it only the liberal NY Times that cares? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 20:51:49 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 20:50:29 2012. You don't think the Knoxville Horror deserved mainstream coverage? Just answer that part first.(are you listening to Sharpton on 1600 AM?) |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 20:53:13 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 10:07:15 2012. I'm not aware that he was told not to pursue by the police or a police representative. The 911 operator (who is neither the police nor a representative afaik) said something like "We don't need you to do that". |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 20:55:44 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 20 13:38:06 2012. It's not even that. It's a group of people that speak the same native language regardless of ethnicity or culture. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 20:59:10 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 14:53:56 2012. I said that before and you disagree. Based on self-identification it's a very white country. But IINM a surprising number of people in Brazil also self-identify as white. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 20:59:24 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 10:07:15 2012. LOL @ 911 being the police. They can't tell you what to do. You call them when you need help. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 21:00:42 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 20:59:10 2012. Lots of shit talking mother fuckers on subchat who won't listen to Sharpton on radio. Unreal.As for Argentina, they're Hispanic, but not into ghetto/barrio culture so I see them as separate. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 21:01:15 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 20:50:29 2012. When the "Knoxville Horror" case was first posed here, I was vilified because the account that I posted came from an extremist website. The original information came from a friend in that area who had heard about the incident. I was accused of making it up because the left wing, so called main stream media including FOX refused to cover it. Not every horrific crime gets covered by the media but it was pretty clear that this one in particular was not carried because of the gruesome details and the racial aspects of the case. Had the races been reversed, there is no doubt that this would have been a front page story nationwide. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 21:03:07 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 21:01:15 2012. Wiki refuses to call it "Knoxville Horror". I guess they were approached by someone. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 21:04:01 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 21:03:07 2012. Not surprising |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:06:03 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:46:17 2012. I really don't think that it was a media blackout. It was because the details of the case and the viciousness of the murders were not made public until months after the crime.The reason the Florida execution is getting so much national attention is that the executioner wasn't arrested. Plus the racial angle of course. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:13:14 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 11:53:46 2012. It's pretty obvious from the 911 call that Zimmermann was looking for trouble. Not sure what his issues are other than he's either a racist, an idiot, or both. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 21:27:15 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 21:00:42 2012. As for Argentina, they're Hispanic, but not into ghetto/barrio culture so I see them as separate.Argentina is perhaps the Whitest part of Latin America. The "White" population is over 80% European in ancestry. Granted, that would totally flunk the mark to qualify as White in the States, but make no mistake, they are pretty White. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:30:10 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 21:27:15 2012. 80% qualifies as white in the US. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 21:39:23 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:30:10 2012. Not if the other 20% is Black...Or maybe it does, Mariah Carey kinda gets away with it... |
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Irrelevant canard (Re: The Knoxville Horror) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:39:59 2012, in response to The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 15:08:51 2012. BIG difference...the police didn't stall and actively worked to find suspects. Suspects were arrested pretty quickly. Of the 5 arrested: one got 18 years (federal case), one got 53 years (parole elgibility after 17 and 2/3), two got life without parole, and one got the death penalty.During the course of the case, Waste Connections (a garbage collection company which has a facility next door) bought the house and tore it down. Had the case sat and not been investigated, then you would have had a case. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:47:12 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 15:16:25 2012. The ones who did seek a retrial were denied. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:48:44 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 21:01:15 2012. But that case didn't have incompetent police investigating it. It was prosecuted...and 3 of the 5 convicted will die in prison (one of the 3 will be put to death). |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:54:31 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 21:39:23 2012. It probably depends on where you are in the US. In California, 80% white is considered white by most people. Unless they don't want to consider themselves white. For example there are some people around me that have naturally blond hair and look completely white, yet don't like to be called white. Whatever. I'll call anyone whatever they want. We have too many shades of everything to worry about where to draw the line. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 22:14:17 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:48:44 2012. we were discussing media coverage. I find it hard to say that one child's death was more or less horrific that another child's death - despite race. The question was whether this tragedy is getting more coverage than the Knoxville case because of the racial components. In my opinion I think that's part of it but I also think that the very lame police response is also playing a large part in fueling the media. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 23:31:51 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:48:44 2012. actually they're getting a new trial. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 23:36:11 2012, in response to Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:49:59 2012. Tonight on Sharpton's radio show it was announced that Trayvon's family is going to NYC for media publicity on the case. NYC officials will attend a town hall meeting to deal with the situation.A caller suggested 24/7 check of the hotel they stay in and check for poisoning in case someone tries to kill the family. Sharpton said, "I'll keep that in mind". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 23:41:00 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:06:03 2012. Why was Trayvon wearing a "hoodie". We've had the warmest most humid winter on record.The NC girl killed by a black carjacker is another example of "black out". And while you bring up a good point about the goriness of Knoxville Horror, if the roles were reversed, well, it would have been huge. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 01:55:10 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Mar 20 12:57:34 2012. Have you seen Jorge, I mean George Zimmerman? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 21 03:11:57 2012, in response to Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:59:35 2012. of course you know THATS coming.. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 03:35:36 2012, in response to Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:59:35 2012. so if someone said, "who the hell walks around Orlando with a hooded sweater" you'd be pissed?it was brutally hot and humid this year and I myself had to escape for two weeks. |
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Re: The Knoxville Horror |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 21 05:50:02 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 23:41:00 2012. Why was Trayvon wearing a "hoodie". We've had the warmest most humid winter on record.LOL! your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Mar 21 06:54:13 2012, in response to Irrelevant canard (Re: The Knoxville Horror), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:39:59 2012. Irrelevant canard, indeed...LOL |
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