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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 21 07:50:57 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 21:01:15 2012.

My point is that many, many horrific crimes don't get reported nationwide.

Horrific crimes are pretty depressing news. They don't sell newspapers (or their electronic equivalent) nationally unless there's an unusual twist. Typically the twist is that the victim is really rich or the accused is middle class (Amanda Knox, the Duke case). The victims being middle class usually doesn't qualify as a sufficiently interesting twist.



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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 21 09:59:15 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Rockparkman on Tue Mar 20 16:58:08 2012.

O'Ramirez?

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Re: Irrelevant canard (Re: The Knoxville Horror)

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 11:16:44 2012, in response to Irrelevant canard (Re: The Knoxville Horror), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:39:59 2012.

who says police stalled? they investigated the shooting in Sanford and found injuries to Zimmerman and at least one witness who says Trayvon was on top of him.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 11:19:32 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 21 07:50:57 2012.

LOL. You're so NY liberal. The Duke Lacrosse lynching wasn't about the accused, it was about the black female accuser.

The Knoxville case obviously was "blacked out" because it does not fit the media agenda.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 21 11:24:16 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 11:19:32 2012.

If you insist on the existence of a media blackout, then explain the Wind River media blackout. Otherwise you're just blustering.


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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 11:30:09 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 21 11:24:16 2012.

I'm not blustering. This happens over and over where a the victim is white and the perp(s) black. Knoxville! Tulsa. Or the white girl in NC who was carjacked and had her brains blown out by a black male. These cases never receive a fraction of the publicity Trayvon(I guess you can spell it Traevon too).



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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 21 11:34:36 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 20:53:13 2012.

In our area, 911 operators are police civilians but they're not sworn officers, so I guess you could say they are "police representatives."

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 21 11:37:00 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 11:30:09 2012.

I've provided an explanation for both the Knoxville and Wind River "blackouts", namely that the stories are depressing with no unusual twist.

You can't provide an explanation for both. Therefore you're making it up as you go along.

Let me know when you can explain both with a consistent theory.



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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 21 11:38:20 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 21 11:34:36 2012.

Exactly. 911 operators are the public voice of the police department even if they are not members of it.



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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 11:47:56 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 21 11:37:00 2012.

Why is Trayvon a national phenomenon while Knoxville, Eve Carson, Tulsa, and so many other cases get not a fraction of the publicity?

It's called "black out". The media largely ignores it because it's the politically correct thing to do.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 21 12:09:32 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 11:47:56 2012.

You're dodging the question.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 12:15:21 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 21 12:09:32 2012.

it's a stupid question that does not address the reason why the mainstream media treats every white on black crime as crime of the century while largely ignoring black on white crime.

Some story about high crime on an Indian reservation has nothing to do with why Trayvon is a household name while Eve Carson isn't.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Mar 21 14:01:11 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 21 12:09:32 2012.

as he always does

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 21 14:20:54 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 21 12:09:32 2012.

He can't answer it without admitting he's wrongo.

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Easy on Wed Mar 21 19:30:45 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 21 11:34:36 2012.

You might have a different definition for "representative" than I do. In what way do your 911 operators represent or take the place of police?

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 21 19:46:56 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Easy on Wed Mar 21 19:30:45 2012.

Out here, E911 operators are employees of the sheriff's department. They're fully trained and have books full of procedures. In non-emergency medical situations such as childbirth or trying to stabilize a patient before the meat wagon rolls, they often dispense medical advice and often close the case over the phone.

When dispatch anywhere tells you that "we don't want you to do that" and you continue to do that, you're getting cuffed also. "Failure to follow lawful instruction."

Cali may be different tho' ...

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Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Mar 21 20:28:50 2012, in response to Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:49:59 2012.

Zimmerman should be behind bars ..........yesterday

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 02:19:59 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:13:14 2012.

I laugh at reports that Zimmerman is a "white Hispanic". He is mestizo for sure. But everyone wants him to be "white" to fuel their hatred.

Also funny to hear the racist calls on Sharpton radio show focusing on Zimmerman "sounding Jewish".

Zimmerman was definitely looking for trouble. He probably got into a fist fight with Trayvon or Trayvon defended himself instead of running, not knowing how crazy his stalker was.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 22 02:25:44 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:13:14 2012.

i'd say both..

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 02:26:07 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 02:19:59 2012.

Or perhaps he was just another asshole playing "cop" ... lots of those around. Normally they end up at a mall. Sorry, but when dispatch tells you "we don't need you doing that" anyone who actually wanted to be helpful would know that means "break it off and go home." :(

Obviously there's more to this story ...

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 22 02:38:26 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 02:26:07 2012.

of course..but will he see it?

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 02:43:27 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 02:26:07 2012.

I'm not buying into the argument that the dispatcher is an authority figure.

This guy was beyond playing "cop". I get the feeling he was hoping for some blacks to break into his house so he could shoot.

We had a case where a white man shot some white kids who were stealing his truck. It even happened on his property and he was in deep trouble.


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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 03:13:35 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 02:43:27 2012.

Well yeah ... if you have cops, you're supposed to let THEM handle perps. You have to move out where there AREN'T cops to be able to pop a perp without getting nailed for it. And yeah, in most jurisdictions, dispatch IS the cops. The operator might not be, but they work for them.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 03:14:33 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 22 02:38:26 2012.

Seeing the light ... how many do? You can only hope to make them think, then step off. :(

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 22 03:16:20 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 03:13:35 2012.

And perp popping is the new sport in the boonies..

line em up..watch em go.!

its dawn of the dead..With ZOMBIES!

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 22 03:25:22 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 22 03:16:20 2012.

That's my FAVORITE hunting season! :)

We got it *down* up in here!



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Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 22 04:10:23 2012, in response to Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:49:59 2012.

I hope that the feds send a TELEGRAM to the Sanford police with the name of the defendant. They should also send one to Mexico City.

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Re: Trayvon

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Mar 22 07:30:15 2012, in response to Re: Trayvon, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 19:46:06 2012.

IT'S SIMPLY AMAZING WHAT A GOOGLE SEARCH CAN DO

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 22 08:19:19 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 12:15:21 2012.

I didn't remember her name but I do clearly remember that story...

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Re: Irrelevant canard (Re: The Knoxville Horror)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 22 08:19:37 2012, in response to Re: Irrelevant canard (Re: The Knoxville Horror), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 11:16:44 2012.

Zimmerman:

1. Stalked and followed Trayvon, even after being told by a police operator not to do this.

2. Armed with a 9 mm pistol, he exited his vehicle to confront Trayvon.

3. Accosted Trayvon, who was legally entitled to be where and when he was.

4. If Zimmerman has injuries, it's because Trayvon was defeding himself. You can't provoke a confrontation and then claim self-defense wgen you start to lose. However, I find it ludicrous that the scrawny, 140-pound Martin could "beat the crap out of" the 250-pound, fully-grown Zimmerman, as Police Chief Bill Lee would have us believe.

Numerous witnesses say Trayvon was crying out for help, and his voice is audible on several 911 tapes. Did you know that Trayvon lay unidentified in a morgue for two days, because police could not fathom that he might have been in the gated community legitimately?

Yes, I was on the platform at the Million Hoodies Rally yesterday in Union Square, with Martin's parents and other supporters. In this pic, me and NYC Councilman Jumaane Williams are speaking to the media and crowd. I spoke at the request of the organizers.



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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 22 08:20:23 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 02:19:59 2012.

Well said!

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 22 08:26:22 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 02:19:59 2012.

The Sanford Police say Zimmerman is white; it's Zimmerman's family saying he's Hispanic. Of course, it's in the interest of Zimmerman's family to say that, as "Hispanic" is less emotionally-charged in this case than "white"...

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Easy on Thu Mar 22 08:48:55 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 22 08:26:22 2012.

What would the Sanford Police know about his race and whether he is Hispanic? They usually go by the surname. He does look Hispanic from the front but it'd be easier to tell from a profile.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by Easy on Thu Mar 22 08:53:31 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 22 08:19:19 2012.

She was the student body president at UNC that was killed screaming for help in a robbery. They caught the guy that killed her and he's in jail. It would be more similar to what's happening in Sanford if had instead decided to let the murderer go free. Luch doesn't understand that it's not the murder that has people upset, it's that they decided not to prosecute him. This wasn't a story when it happened outside of Florida. It only became one when the police went so long without charging Zimmermann.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 22 10:17:46 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Easy on Thu Mar 22 08:48:55 2012.

The Sanford Police probably got Zimmerman's pedigree from his rap sheet.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Easy on Thu Mar 22 11:02:53 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 22 10:17:46 2012.

I didn't realize that he had a rap sheet, but regardless police record what they see and there's nothing official about it. Half Hispanic is tricky though as they are sometimes considered Hispanic and other times "white" (Jessica Alba for example). But as "white" is really "non-Hispanic white", it's hard to consider him non-Hispanic if he really is half.

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Re: Butt Weight (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 12:11:29 2012, in response to But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 09:31:45 2012.

Now I'm left wondering why the "self-identify" categories do not specifically include "White Hispanic" along with "White Non-Hispanic".

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 12:13:14 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by Easy on Thu Mar 22 08:53:31 2012.

LuchAAA does understand why the community is mad.

LuchAAA is only pointing out that there is a history of stories like Eve Carson and Knoxville Horror getting a fraction of the coverage of stories where some kind of victim status class is the targeted.

For example, even that story from Atlanta where the black kids attacked the gay black kid got more national coverage than Knoxville and Eve.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 12:14:43 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 22 08:26:22 2012.

Have you seen Zimmerman?



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Re: Butt Weight (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 22 12:18:35 2012, in response to Re: Butt Weight (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 12:11:29 2012.

They do.

One checks the box on the question of Hispanic or Non-Hispanic

Then you check the box on White, Black, etc.

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Re: Butt Weight (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 12:23:38 2012, in response to Re: Butt Weight (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 12:11:29 2012.

The media is obsessed with making this mestizo toned wacko "white". And they got the last name to help them along.

Reuters calls him "white Hispanic".

Al Sharpton's radio callers point out "Zimmerman is a Jewish name. I googled it and found out".

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 22 12:32:01 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 12:14:43 2012.

He don't look like no Zimmerman I ever seen.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 13:11:15 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Mar 21 14:01:11 2012.

follow the thread.

maybe I missed it, but I don't see a question from AlM.

He knows, everyone knows why cases like Knoxville and Eve Carson don't get as much play.



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Re: Irrelevant canard (Re: The Knoxville Horror)

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 13:23:27 2012, in response to Re: Irrelevant canard (Re: The Knoxville Horror), posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 22 08:19:37 2012.

You attack me constantly, yet I support gay rights. I believe gays deserve the same tax, health, and death benefits as a heterosexual couple. That's a very non-conservative position on gays.

As for this Trayvon stuff, Hannity just ran a promo saying he's going to "get to the bottom" of the shooting. I wonder what that is about?

Have you heard the callers on Al Sharpton? They think a Jew killed Trayvon and base it on the last name "Zimmerman". THIW.

A few weeks ago, female contraception was the topic. It looked bad for Republicans and great for Obama. It was the issue that would guarantee a big female turnout for Obama in November.

I see the Trayvon shooting as a gift to Obama. It's going to be the issue that energized blacks to vote this November. And it happened in the right state, swing state Florida.

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Re: Butt Weight (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 13:28:58 2012, in response to Re: Butt Weight (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 12:23:38 2012.

How sick. "Zimmermann" is a German name that means "Carpenter".

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Re: Butt Weight (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 13:32:46 2012, in response to Re: Butt Weight (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 13:28:58 2012.

A lot of Jewish names have German meanings. Someone with a name like Bill Weiss will be mistaken for being Jewish.



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Re: Butt Weight (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 22 13:37:18 2012, in response to Re: Butt Weight (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 13:32:46 2012.

Weiss = White. Change it to "Wilhelm Weiss" and nobody would think it to be Jewish though.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 22 14:41:44 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 22 12:13:14 2012.

George likes his chicken spicy!

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Mar 22 14:56:16 2012, in response to But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 09:31:45 2012.

"Zimmerman's family says he is not white, but Hispanic, so the contention is it's not racial."

Are you living in a BUBBLE? are you saying that Hispanics can never harbor any racist feelings towards Blacks? If you were to travel to South America, you'd change your feelings within seconds.

Also, where exactly did you extract that info the Zimmerman is actually of Hispanic background?


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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 22 15:06:43 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Mar 22 14:56:16 2012.

Whom are you talking to?

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