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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 15:14:41 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 20 15:06:02 2012.

I will rephrase that: "not from Mexico or Central America," many of whom have significant Amerind ancestry.


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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 20 15:14:47 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 14:47:19 2012.

The young man is dead. He's no more or less dead because the shooter is Hispanic or white than he would be if the shooter were Asian or black or even Asian black. This is more left wing bullshit to keep people at odds with each other - democratic divide and conquer strategy at its best.

The "left wing bullshit" is because the murderer isn't being prosecuted simply by claiming self defense.



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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 15:16:25 2012, in response to The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 15:08:51 2012.

I don't see any miscarriage of justice. The killers were apprehended and convicted. It sounds like they won a retrial, but it's not as though they are on the loose in the meantime.

A possible miscarriage of justice is more newsworthy than a horrible crime where justice is done.

Did you read the NY Times article (yes, the NY Times) about the horrible crimes on the Wind River Indian Reservation in Wyoming? Where has all the news media (except for the NY Times) been for those terrible crimes?




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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 15:16:26 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 20 15:00:54 2012.

No, but Madonna is, though she wouldn't have been considered so a century ago.

This is absurd. One day this may all shake out, when and if it doesn't serve someone's political agenda.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 20 15:18:33 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 15:14:41 2012.

Peruvians, Ecuadorians, Colombians, Venezuelans, etc look like Italians, Spaniards and Jews?

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 15:18:45 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 20 15:14:47 2012.

I would say it is because the killer isn't being INVESTIGATED simply because he claimed self-defense.

It's quite possible that a proper investigation might find only criminally negligent homicide, or possibly manslaughter, and not murder.



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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 15:32:00 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 20 15:18:33 2012.

I didn't say that. In this country you can be considered "Hispanic" for civil rights purposes if you are simply "Spanish surnamed." That includes a lot of people. In fact I know a young woman who has a German surname who got a "Hispanic" scholarship because her mother had a Spanish surname.

If you saw her, she doesn't look Italian or Spanish or Jewish or Peruvian, or any of these. She looks German.

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Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder

Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Mar 20 16:56:59 2012, in response to Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:49:59 2012.

I think it's time the Federal Government took over law enforcement in the CSA territories.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Mar 20 16:58:08 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 15:32:00 2012.

I know an Irish blonde named Ramirez.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:17:36 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 14:46:41 2012.

I won't deny that Sharpton's audience is the McDonald's audience. But the segment of whites who listen to Rush are certainly the Rush element. You don't know how many times I've been at a local McDonald's in Florida and seen anti-Obama stickers on a truck or noticed Fox News on the television.

I wish I could remember the name of the place now, but there was a chicken joint where we stopped to get dinner in Tennessee on our drive back from Alabama, and I could tell you about the young (and fairly hot) blond girl proudly displaying her rebel flag t-shirt.

I guess that's the chicken shack element...

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:23:21 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 14:55:44 2012.

I think the majority of Hispanics (not from Latin America) are as "white" as Italians or Spaniards or, for that matter, Jews.

That depends. Most "Hispanics" from Mexico are Mestizo (White/Native American).
Those from Puerto Rico are (what I call) "Mulattomest" (mostly White/Black/some Taino Native).
Those from the Dominican Republic are like Puerto Ricans but more Black and less of the other two.
Those from Cuba as mostly White (Spaniard).
Those from Central America are mostly Native, with some White.
Those from points south of Brazil are mostly White.

Since the overwhelming majority of American "Hispanics" are Mexican, Puerto Rican, Dominican, and Cuban, in that order, there you go.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:25:18 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 14:55:44 2012.

It is an irony that ethnic Germans and Poles and Jews are all blandly called white in this country, when they sure weren't (and probably aren't) in the Mother Country*

It's taken awhile for all European groups to simply be "White" in America, mostly through generations of intermixing and rising numbers of non-Europeans to contrast against.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:34:00 2012, in response to The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 15:08:51 2012.

You mean this:
(http://www.amren.com/ar/2007/07/>


The Knoxville Horror

The crime and the media blackout.

by Nicholas Stix

On Saturday, January 6, 2007 Channon Christian, 21, and Christopher Newsom, 23, of Knoxville, Tennessee, went on a date from which they would never return. Outside the home of another couple they were visiting, they were carjacked and kidnapped. Over the next 24 hours they were beaten, gang-raped, tortured and murdered.

There can be little doubt that if Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom had been black and their killers white, everyone in America would know their names. Because they were white and their killers are black, their fate has been shrouded in a thick silence that has given rise to a host of lurid rumors. Their story highlights the strange and twisted nature of race relations in America, which makes it nearly impossible for the authorities or the media to deal honestly with events that violate official assumptions about race. It also represents both a strength and weakness of the Internet: Mischief-makers of various political persuasions spread falsehoods rather than correct them, but they built up a demand for facts that became so great the authorities eventually had to come clean.

The men who kidnapped and killed Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom have not yet gone to trial, so they are theoretically innocent. This account — as accurate as possible under what sometimes amounted to a news blackout — is based on documents filed in federal and state courts, and on sometimes vague and contradictory press reports.
George Thomas Letalvis Cobbins Lemaricus Davidson
These three — George Thomas, Letalvis Cobbins, and Lemaricus
Davidson — are finally getting a little national attention.

Sometime after midnight, Miss Christian and Mr. Newsom were in the parking lot of Knoxville’s Washington Ridge apartment complex, where they were visiting friends. Letalvis Cobbins, 24, along with his brother Lemaricus Davidson, 25, and George Thomas, 24, kidnapped them at gunpoint, and carjacked Miss Christian’s 2005 Toyota 4-Runner. Mr. Davidson had already been convicted of carjacking and aggravated robbery in Tennessee in 2001, but despite conviction for a death penalty-eligible offense and a bad record as an inmate, had served no more than five years in West Tennessee State Penitentiary. Recently released, he had been a member of the Black Gangster Disciples at least since prison.

The three men tied up their captives and took them in the 4-Runner to a rundown rental house at 2316 Chipman Street in black East Knoxville, where Mr. Cobbins and Mr. Davidson lived. Mr. Cobbins’s 18-year-old girlfriend, Vanessa Coleman, met them there.
Their story highlights the strange and twisted nature of race relations in America.

All four, including Miss Coleman, then engaged in an orgy of rape and violence. They anally gang-raped Mr. Newsom, and orally, anally, and vaginally gang-raped Channon Christian. They brutally beat both victims and poured cleaning fluid down Miss Christian’s throat. They killed Mr. Newsom, leaving him with “multiple gunshot wounds,” and set his corpse on fire. Knoxville police refuse to say how Miss Christian was murdered, but an assistant U.S. attorney suggests she may have been “choked.”

On January 8, the day after the carjacking-gang-rape-murder, Lemaricus Davidson robbed an employee of a Knoxville Pizza Hut at gunpoint, and tried to rob a customer. Likewise on January 8, Miss Christian’s father, Gary, found her Toyota 4-Runner abandoned near railroad tracks, not far from where a railroad employee found Mr. Newsom’s desecrated corpse that same day. There was a fingerprint from Lemaricus Davidson inside the vehicle, which led to a search of his apartment on January 10. There police found Miss Christian’s corpse in a garbage can in the kitchen.

A fourth man, Eric Boyd, has been charged as an accessory in the carjacking case for having helped Mr. Davidson try to escape justice, but not in the rapes and murders.

Knoxville authorities have promoted the view that the rapists poured cleaning fluid down Miss Christian’s throat to destroy DNA evidence. They and the media have also insisted that the torture/murders were “a crime of opportunity,” a carjacking that somehow got out of hand, and that the criminals had no racial motivation.

This picture appears to be wrong on all counts, and is an insult to the public’s intelligence. The defendants are charged with premeditated murder and, according to court documents, had already decided to kill Miss Christian before they made her swallow cleaning fluid. They also did not bother to “clean” her vagina and anus, which were stuffed with DNA evidence.

The carjacking-gone-wrong theory is not plausible either. Carjacking is armed robbery of a vehicle, in order to possess or sell it, but these assailants had no interest in the 4-Runner. They dumped it after only a few hours.
Crime map

Nor was there any reason for things to “go wrong;” the victims cooperated, and Lemaricus Davidson was an experienced carjacker. While carjackers sometimes rape their victims, anal gang-rape is very rare, especially of male victims. On the other hand, black jail and prison inmates often target white prisoners for anal gang-rape as a method of racial terrorism (see “Hard Time,” AR, April 2002). And while carjackers sometimes murder their victims, it is hard to imagine black carjackers treating black victims in such a loathsome manner.

Finally, a “hate crime” is one committed “wholly or in part” for reasons of racial animus, and use of racial epithets is considered strong evidence of racial animus. Do the authorities expect us to believe that these black killers raped, tortured, and murdered white victims, without ever using racially insulting language? This reporter believes the carjacking was just a way to kidnap, gang-rape, torture and murder whites, and that the killers used the cleaning fluid for the sole purpose of further torturing Miss Christian.

Until mid-May, this story was strictly local news, but it assumed a certain notoriety on the Internet where, not long after the first newspaper reports, a story with the following headline began circulating:

“White Couple Abducted; Both Man and Woman Were Raped, Beaten, Cut Apart and Killed. Five Blacks Arrested In Case. No Media Frenzy Over ‘Racist’ Attack.”

The report, with photographs of the victims and the suspects, continued as follows:

“The animals pictured below raped Christopher Newsom, cut off his penis, then set him on fire and fatally shot him several times while they forced his girlfriend, Channon Christian, to watch. An even more cruel fate awaited her!

“Channon Christian, was beaten and gang-raped in many ways for four days by all of them, while they took turns urinating on her. Then they cut off her breast and put chemicals in her mouth ... and then murdered her.”
Christopher Newsome
Murder victim
Christopher Newsom.

The earliest version of this story seems to have appeared around February 21 on the web page of New Jersey radio host Hal Turner. Many of the details, including the amputations and urination, have not been in other reports, nor are they mentioned in court documents.

I asked the Knoxville police to confirm or deny Mr. Turner’s claims. Public Information Officer Darrell Debusk was unfailingly polite, but would tell me nothing. Were the victims mutilated? Were they alive or dead when this happened? “That is something that we have not discussed in public, and is information that will come to light during the trial ... Right now, we’re not discussing the details of the investigation.” Officer Debusk would not even give a cause of death: “Again, that’s evidence in a trial that will be presented during the trial.” (Only later did I learn from court documents that federal authorities had already reported that Mr. Newsom had been shot.)

The claim that “the investigation is ongoing,” was plainly untrue. The suspects had been arrested, indicted, and bound over for trial. Prosecutors bind over defendants only after the police have finished their investigation. When I asked for a copy of the Knoxville police preliminary report, which had been released to local reporters, Officer Debusk was happy to oblige — so long as I dropped by in person at department headquarters in Knoxville. If that wasn’t convenient for someone living in New York State, I could have a local person pick one up for me, or a Tennessee resident could pay for a copy and ask that it be sent to an in-state address. Clearly, Officer Debusk just didn’t want me to see the report.

Other Knoxville officials — at the county medical examiner’s office, sheriff’s department, and criminal court — all referred me back to the Knoxville Police Department. Chief Sterling Owen, IV himself established this stonewalling policy, and the information has been so tightly sealed we cannot even assume the trial transcript will be available to the public.

The refusal by police to release the autopsy reports has left even the mainstream media dueling over how Miss Christian died and what was done to her corpse. The Knoxville News Sentinel claimed Lemaricus Davidson strangled her but left her corpse intact. ABC’s and CBS’s Knoxville affiliates reported she was dismembered, though neither was clear whether this was how she was killed or whether her corpse was cut apart after she was murdered. CNN claimed Miss Christian “asphyxiated” after she was forced into an airtight garbage can.

When it suits them, the Knoxville police can be very forthcoming with information. On May 22, just-released black career criminal Dwayne Hill, 39, celebrated his third day of freedom with an attempted carjacking in East Knoxville. When police stepped in, he fought them, was tasered, and died. Within 24 hours, the department produced a report showing that Hill “had an illegal substance in his system,” and had died of a condition unrelated to the tasering. When a back man dies at the hands of officers, and there is a chance “the community” might be unhappy, the police are quick with the facts. Whites do not merit the same treatment.

Mischief Within Mischief

Meanwhile, in this deliberate void of information, a different kind of rumor has grown up, notably at the black, anti-white web site, “Svengalimedia.” This site celebrates black-on-white murders, and sponsors an annual “Sexiest & Hardest Ghetto, Black, Male, Felon Bragging Rights Competition” for the most gruesome black-on-white murder. Lemaricus Davidson is this year’s front-runner.

Svengalimedia’s contributors have praised Miss Christian’s rape: “Privileged whites deserve to feel and know our experiences and values firsthand and not just from word of mouth or by books and movies. Their families need and deserve to have terrible memories & experiences with blacks.”
Channon Christian
Murder victim Channon Christian.

Other contributors have proposed novel theories about the crime. One is that Channon Christian had driven into a black neighborhood “to buy drugs.” Another, which has piggybacked on the sexual mutilation rumors, claims that Miss Christian staged the carjacking and cut off her own breasts. According to this fantasy, Miss Christian wanted to die from black sexual torture, and arranged everything herself. Svengalimedia contributor Waldorf Carathers even hinted at the existence of a “death by sexual torture sex video directed by Channon Christian,” noting that cell phones had been found at the Chipman Street house, and might have been used to record the killing. Many Knoxville blacks take the view — promoted by Svengalimedia — that the two whites were hijacked when they cruised into a black neighborhood to buy drugs.

Some have claimed that the Svengalimedia site is a hoax; in any case, it appears to have shut down recently. However, fantasies as obscene as those it promotes are found in the “respectable” black mainstream. Last November, in the federal carjacking and weapons trial of Dedrick Griham, defense lawyer Emory Anthony, Jr. argued that the victim, a white Birmingham lawyer, had “staged” the carjacking and was a willing participant in her own rape and sodomy. The black defendant claimed that the white victim had gotten in touch with him through a completely imaginary prostitute named “Puddin” or “Pumpkin,” who offered him money to fulfill the white woman’s feverish fantasies. The jury didn’t buy this story, and convicted Mr. Griham, who had 13 previous felony convictions, on all counts. The judge sentenced him to life plus 84 months.

Likewise, it is not uncommon for blacks to be indifferent to, and even show “Svengalian” satisfaction in the face of cruelties done to whites. In 1973 and 1974, the Nation of Islam carried out a series of black-on-white killings in San Francisco known as the Zebra Murders. Self-styled “death angels” killed at least 16 “blue-eyed devils” and injured another eight or ten in what was, again, a spectacular crime wave that was little reported outside its local area. Clark Howard recounts in his classic 1979 work, Zebra: The True Account of the 179 Days of Terror in San Francisco, that in 1974, at the height of the white panic, two teams of San Francisco Examiner reporters and photographers could not find a single black resident who expressed any sympathy for the white victims.

Similarly, during the 2002 Washington, DC-area serial murder spree by the Black Muslim John Muhammad and his teenaged protégé, Lee Malvo, before the pair killed a black man, a black woman psychologist on a Fox News program remarked, with great satisfaction, that whites now knew what blacks put up with all the time.

The Media Go to Plan B

In mid-May, the weight of Internet speculation about the crimes (in addition to a comprehensive report on the AR web site that appeared on May 14) seems to have forced the Knoxville police and the national media to change course. On May 18, the Knox County DA’s office finally broke silence to announce that the rumors of sexual mutilation were “absolutely not true.” There was also a smattering of national coverage when it was reported that the defendants would each be tried separately, beginning in the spring of 2008.
Zebra murders
A little-known classic about a little-known horror.

One thing that did not change was the cheerful insistence that the crime had no racial motive, that it had not been downplayed by the media, and that even if the races were reversed the media would not have paid attention. Something else that did not change was the shortage of facts; many important details are still obscure (although Fox News explained that the fuzzy reporting was deliberate because what happened was “too gruesome” to report). The clear purpose has been to dismiss any outraged whites as “white supremacists” and “racists.”

The national media found plenty of “experts” to support the party line. The “reader representative” of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Ted Diadiun, said the crime was no worse than thousands of others committed every year. He suggested that angry whites are guilty of racism, while the killers clearly are not. Kelly McBride, “ethics group leader” at the Poynter Institute for Journalism, explained that there could have been no racial motive because “you have to have specific evidence, such as some sort of racial epithet.” Ted Gest, who is president of a national organization of journalists who cover crime, said that although crime that crosses racial lines tends to get more attention, “I can’t say that this one would have had any more coverage if five whites had been accused of doing these things to two blacks, absent a blatant racial motive.” Newsday reporter Ellis Henican suggested on Fox News that anyone who thinks there is any kind of anti-white newsroom racial bias is delusional. “Why do you want to force the racial angle?” he wanted to know.

Only a few commentators saw through this foolishness. As retired conservative columnist John Leo pointed out: “[T]he newsroom culture tends to view black-on-white crimes as responses to black oppression, and therefore not worth reporting. Whereas similar white-on-black crime is oppression itself, and thus crucially important to put before readers and viewers.”
Eric Boyd
Eric Boyd: charged in the
carjacking but not in the
rapes and murders.

Perhaps the lowest blow was AP reporter Duncan Mansfield’s suggestion that Miss Christian’s father was not taking bereavement in the proper spirit: “Christian’s father, Gary Christian, wore a Confederate flag T-shirt — a symbol of the Old South where slavery was rifre [sic] — to the first hearing for one of the defendants and then pointed at the man as if firing a gun.”

Another event that drew attention to the crime was a “rally against genocide” held in Knoxville on May 26 by Vanguard News Network founder Alex Linder. (The “genocide” Mr. Linder was protesting was not murders of whites by blacks but “genocide” of whites by Jews, as he explained to me in an April 6 interview. He insisted on this, even though I had told him I am a Jew. Surprisingly, the hostile reporters who covered his demonstration never learned the nature of the “genocide.”)

Local authorities responded with 300 law enforcement officers in full riot gear: 200 from the Knoxville Police Department, plus another 100 Knox County sheriff’s deputies, Tennessee Highway Patrolmen, and federal agents. A radical leftwing organization called Mountain Justice Summer organized a counter-demonstration that looked like a transvestites’ ball (see photo, next page).

There was plenty of contrast in how the media covered the two demonstrations. The press repeatedly asked Mr. Linder’s supporters where they were from so they could say that the counter-demonstrators had “laughed off white pride groups as ignorant out-of-towners.” Reporters referred vaguely to the flamboyantly eccentric leftists as “environmentalists,” in contrast to the “white supremacists” at the “hate rally.”
Vanessa Coleman
Vanessa Coleman:
indicted for rape and murder.

Many of the counter-demonstrators were from so far out of town they were not sure what they were protesting. Spokesman Amanda Cagle reflected the prevailing sentiment when she said, “We want to shame the Klan, so they won’t ever want to come back here.” Nor did the counter-demonstrators seem to understand the origins of the controversy. While the “rally against genocide” constantly evoked Miss Christian and Mr. Newsom, the “anti-racists” did not so much as feign sympathy for the victims or their families. Chris Irwin, a lawyer who spoke for the group, sounded almost as if the killers were white and their victims black: “It’s not the 1950s anymore! They [the protesters] are not just a knife at the throat of the African American and immigrant communities, they’re a threat to us all.”

Police arrested Mr. Linder even before the rally began. They had designated areas for demonstrators and counter-demonstrators, with a neutral zone in between that was to be left empty. Mr. Linder walked into the neutral zone, and quickly found himself facing a host of imaginative charges: disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, vandalism, and assault on a police officer.

Journalists used the demonstrations as a pretext to go after the parents again, pressuring them to denounce the Linder rally or be tarred as racists. The media browbeat Miss Christian’s father into saying the murders were “not racist” but Mr. Newsom refused to give them that satisfaction.

A different white group called “Against Black Crimes” has tentatively scheduled a rally for June 16, despite opposition from the Knox County Commission. Ken Gregg, who has been associated with a group called the White Patriot Party, filed the application for a permit to demonstrate. The Knoxville murders are finally getting some attention.

What do these crimes — horrible enough without the rumored sexual mutilations — tell us about race and crime in America? First, despite what the tame “experts” have said, if the races were reversed, there would be a media extravaganza on the scale of Rodney King or James Byrd. Second, the police would have laid all their cards on the table, and the press would have reported every lurid detail.
Alex Linder arrested.
Police arrest Mr. Linder. In the background, please note the decorous attire of the counter-demonstrators, who called themselves the ‘Coup Kluts Clowns.’

But because this was a particularly repulsive black-on-white crime, the authorities and national press conspired to keep things quiet. In the absence of details, some racially conscious whites were prepared to believe revolting rumors, but only because they knew details of the underreported horrors of past black-on-white crimes: The Wichita Massacre was replete with sexual torture (see AR, “The Wichita Massacre,” August 2002); blacks cut off a living man’s penis during the Zebra murders; and the 1980s’ Yahweh ben Yahweh cult killers in Miami were ordered to bring back a head, finger, or ear to prove they had dispatched a white person.

At the same time, the media stir up anti-white hatred and promote the fantasy that white women lust for black fulfillment. This only feeds the degeneracy that ends up in places like Svengalimedia — and federal courtrooms.

This is also a case in which the Internet, which reflects the interests of real Americans far better than does the mainstream press, finally forced the media to take up a story they would have preferred to ignore. Some of the blogging was irresponsible, but the cumulative effect was to build up such a demand for information that official silence could no longer be seen as anything but deliberate withholding of information. Now it will be impossible to do what the authorities would no doubt have preferred, and report the forthcoming trials as if they were minor, local news.

There are still many journalists and government officials who promote the pious and pathetic myth that only whites can commit “racist” crimes, and who will continue to suppress inconvenient facts. As more and more whites wake up to racial reality, however, it will become much more difficult to trample on the public’s right to know. AR

Nicholas Stix was Project Director for the National Policy Institute’s report, The State of White America — 2007, which will be reviewed in a forthcoming issue.



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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:42:13 2012, in response to The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 15:08:51 2012.

There's another similar story here:
(From http://www.vdare.com/articles/two-white-youths-killed-walking-while-white-in-tulsa-oklahoma)


Diversity Is Strength! It's Also…No Walking While White in Tulsa, OK

By Nicholas Stix
Created 10/07/11
Topic:
On Topic

Carissa Horton & Ethan Nichols: Young, White, Christian Couple Visits Public Park in Tulsa, OK, Gets Slaughtered

Murder victims Carissa Horton, 18, and Ethan Nichols, 21 are seen here during an event at Rhema Bible Church [1]in Broken Arrow.

They were young and in love, and went for a walk in the park at 9:30 p.m., on Sunday, September 18.

And that was the last time anyone besides their killers saw them alive.

Carissa Horton and Ethan Nichols had never known each other [2] in Keokuk, Iowa, where they’d both grown up, but their parents knew each other, and put their kids in touch with each other. Ethan’s family had already moved out to Tulsa when work dried up in Iowa. Carissa then went to Tulsa to attend Oral Roberts University [3].

Both kids came from devoutly Christian families.

They started Facebook messaging each other, then texting each other, talking on the phone about sermons they’d watched on podcast, and next thing you knew, they were praying together every night over the phone. They attended church functions together.

But apparently no one ever warned them about walking in East Tulsa’s [4] Hicks Park after dark.

Ethan had attended community college, and aspired to be a graphic designer, but was working in a creamery. Carissa was studying music, but had to frequently go jogging [5], for her Phys Ed requirement. (Some reports said they had gone jogging in the park.)

Racist confessed murderers, Darren Price (L), and Jerard Davis (R).

Enter Darren Price, 19, and Jerard Davis, 21. The two black men had initially decided to rob the couple, but during the robbery figured that they might as well kill them while they were at it. So Price and Davis had Horton and Nichols kneel on the ground—and blew their brains out, execution-style. [6]

Two hours later, the killers decided to go back to steal Horton’s Pontiac Grand Am.

The victims’ corpses were not found until 11 a.m. the next day.

The killers used the victims’ cell phones to text the latter’s families (to brag of their crimes?) until noon the next day, i.e., after their victims’ bodies had been found.

The next day, Price—a convicted car thief [7]who was given an easy time by the courts, but who still screwed up by skipping out on his court date [8]—hung around the crime scene, while investigators combed the park for evidence, and reporters covered the unfolding story. About four hours before he would be arrested, he got himself interviewed by reporter Latoya Silmon, from ABC affiliate, KTUL-TV. The good-looking, clean, articulate young man feigned shock, and told of how he “stayed” nearby, and sometimes came to the park with his kids [9], but was worried about safety.

"I think it’s real crazy. I bring my kids out here to play. Got to raise the question, is it safe to even walk around this town with people just dying and stuff? It’s not cool."

Not “people just killin,’ and stuff like this?”

Price must have gotten a huge kick out of seeing himself on TV, at the scene of his crime. ABC News blogger Christina Ng [11] praised him as “gutsy” and “bold.” Fortunately, Ng was not typical of local journalists. Black KTUL-TV (ABC) reporter Latoya Silmon was shocked by Price’s brazenness, as was white Fox23 reporter Abbie Alford, who preferred to dwell on the religious faith of the victims and their families, and on the basic moral decency expressed by Tulsa Police Homicide Sergeant Dave Walker.

As Sgt. Walker later recalled to Tulsa World reporter Jerry Wofford, initially the police were up against it.



Sgt. Walker: "Not very often do we see no relation between the victim and the suspects."

"Our first thought was, 'This is going to be a long, drawn-out investigation.' There was absolutely nothing there. No ID, no weapon."

But after they learned about the stolen vehicle, located at an apartment complex, it was a matter of waiting, he said.

"The car was probably the key," Walker said.

Officers watching the vehicle saw Price get into it, according to police. He was pulled over after a short chase and questioned by detectives before being jailed on murder and robbery complaints, records show.

[2 men charged in double killing at park [12] by Jerry Wofford, Tulsa World, October 4, 2011.]



After a brief chase, Price was caught in Nichols’ car later that day with a different comrade, who was not implicated in the crime. Apparently either Price or his friend gave up Davis, whom police caught a short time later, also after a brief chase.

Once nabbed, the killers quickly confessed, without even feigning remorse. Each defendant claimed to police that his crime partner was the shooter.



"Davis' arrest report shows police executed a search warrant and found a 9mm gun inside Davis' apartment. That gun match [sic] the 9mm shell casings found at the scene."[Suspects arrested in double murder [13] by Abbie Alford, Fox23, September 20, 2011[



Ethan Nichols’ mother immediately told reporters that she’d forgiven her daughter’s killers, because she was obliged, as a Christian, to do so. To hate and seek vengeance, “is Satan,” in her theological view (Then count me on the side of Satan.). But Ethan’s father is not ready to forgive.

At the time of the arrests, Tulsa Police Homicide Sergeant Dave Walker told Fox23 reporter, Abbie Alford [13],



"They are right where they need to be in this society. We need to warehouse them and that's where they need to be for the rest of their life. If there is any case for a death penalty [14]case, this would be one of them."

Suspects arrested in double murder [13] by Abbie Alford, Fox23, September 20, 2011.



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On October 3, Darren Price and Jerard Davis were formally charged in Tulsa County District Court with two counts each of first-degree murder. “Price faces additional counts of possession of a firearm after a former felony and a felony count of eluding police.”

The presiding judge, Special Judge Dawn Moody, entered not guilty pleas on behalf of both defendants.

At that time, a preliminary hearing was scheduled for December 1, after which the Tulsa County District Attorney’s Office will weigh whether to seek the death penalty.[Preliminary hearing is set for pair in killings [15],by Bill Braun, Tulsa World, October 5, 2011.]

The police have called the murders “senseless.” And everyone has ignored [16] the racial angle [17] (no talk of “hate crimes [18]”), which amounts to the same thing. Of course, if you consider black racial animosity, the violence starts to make sense, in its own evil way. But that is forbidden, so we must live chained in the cave of “senseless violence.”

The killers’ court-appointed, taxpayer-funded lawyers will surely get them to recant their confessions, [19] perhaps claiming coercion. Look forward to millions of your tax dollars going for their defense, [20] appeals, and 60-odd years of three hots and a cot, weight-lifting, [21] cable TV, raping [22]white inmates [23], etc.

Things being what they are [24], I suppose one could find comfort in the fact that the killers did not rape [25]and torture [26]the couple, before murdering them.

Cold comfort, that.

One hundred million or more Americans can recall a time when taking a walk in a city park just about anywhere at 9:30 on a Sunday night was for couples a perfect cheap date, with no intimations of mortal danger.

Has America become so marvelously diverse that it no longer has room left for gentle young lovers



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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:43:51 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:34:00 2012.

that's the one.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:46:17 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 15:16:25 2012.

A possible miscarriage of justice is more newsworthy than a horrible crime where justice is done.

? "justice is done"? There is no verdict in the Trayvon case yet it's becoming a national story.

Knoxville Horror is an example of a media "black out".


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Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:49:53 2012, in response to Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 20 15:05:25 2012.

You don't support gay marriage (but civil unions) right? In the eyes of too many, that's considered not believing in gay rights.

Militants like JayZeeBMT spin it that way.

Most people fighting for gay marriage could care less about the tax, health, and death benefits they will now receive(and I think they deserve these rights). They just like knowing they have the power to define something so important in society.



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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:50:17 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 20 15:00:54 2012.

Yes.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:51:44 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 20 11:48:50 2012.

Are you "The Flxible Neofan" going to listen to 1600am tonight to hear The Reverend Al Sharpton? This topic is all they'll talk about.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 19:33:16 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:42:13 2012.

I think, as you pointed out, overall whites are in greater danger than blacks in the category of interracial crime.

Cops in Tampa are in very serious danger in black communities. I say that because every cop killed in line of duty in Tampa since I moved here has been killed by a black male.

That's why Trayvon story will be big. It's so rare that whites are violent aggressors against blacks, these days.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 20 19:44:38 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:25:18 2012.

No, its taken the census bureau and racial politics to designate as a race, huge numbers of diverse people into a single category "white," likewise "Black/African American/Negro" another single category, but then we get eleven flavors of Asian/Pacific Islander; including "other Asian" in which you are to "Print race, for example, Hmong, Laotian, Thai, Pakistani, Cambodian, and so on." That's a direct quote.

Note our politicians, who think all whites are one race, and all blacks one race, think that "Pakistani" is a race. Wow.

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Re: Trayvon

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 19:46:06 2012, in response to Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:49:59 2012.

does anyone know the history of the name "Trayvon"?

I have never heard of Trayvon.

Anyone hear of this name before now?

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 20:50:29 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:46:17 2012.

The lack of mainstream media attention to the Knoxville Horror is no different from the lack of media attention to the Wind River crimes. Why haven't conservatives been up in arms about that? The Wind River situation is worse than Knoxville. Why is it only the liberal NY Times that cares?






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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 20:51:49 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 20:50:29 2012.

You don't think the Knoxville Horror deserved mainstream coverage? Just answer that part first.

(are you listening to Sharpton on 1600 AM?)

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 20:53:13 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 10:07:15 2012.

I'm not aware that he was told not to pursue by the police or a police representative. The 911 operator (who is neither the police nor a representative afaik) said something like "We don't need you to do that".

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 20:55:44 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 20 13:38:06 2012.

It's not even that. It's a group of people that speak the same native language regardless of ethnicity or culture.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 20:59:10 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 14:53:56 2012.

I said that before and you disagree. Based on self-identification it's a very white country. But IINM a surprising number of people in Brazil also self-identify as white.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 20:59:24 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 10:07:15 2012.

LOL @ 911 being the police. They can't tell you what to do. You call them when you need help.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 21:00:42 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 20:59:10 2012.

Lots of shit talking mother fuckers on subchat who won't listen to Sharpton on radio. Unreal.

As for Argentina, they're Hispanic, but not into ghetto/barrio culture so I see them as separate.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 21:01:15 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 20:50:29 2012.

When the "Knoxville Horror" case was first posed here, I was vilified because the account that I posted came from an extremist website. The original information came from a friend in that area who had heard about the incident. I was accused of making it up because the left wing, so called main stream media including FOX refused to cover it. Not every horrific crime gets covered by the media but it was pretty clear that this one in particular was not carried because of the gruesome details and the racial aspects of the case. Had the races been reversed, there is no doubt that this would have been a front page story nationwide.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 21:03:07 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 21:01:15 2012.

Wiki refuses to call it "Knoxville Horror". I guess they were approached by someone.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 21:04:01 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 21:03:07 2012.

Not surprising

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:06:03 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:46:17 2012.

I really don't think that it was a media blackout. It was because the details of the case and the viciousness of the murders were not made public until months after the crime.

The reason the Florida execution is getting so much national attention is that the executioner wasn't arrested. Plus the racial angle of course.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:13:14 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 11:53:46 2012.

It's pretty obvious from the 911 call that Zimmermann was looking for trouble. Not sure what his issues are other than he's either a racist, an idiot, or both.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 21:27:15 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 21:00:42 2012.

As for Argentina, they're Hispanic, but not into ghetto/barrio culture so I see them as separate.

Argentina is perhaps the Whitest part of Latin America. The "White" population is over 80% European in ancestry. Granted, that would totally flunk the mark to qualify as White in the States, but make no mistake, they are pretty White.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:30:10 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 21:27:15 2012.

80% qualifies as white in the US.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 21:39:23 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:30:10 2012.

Not if the other 20% is Black...

Or maybe it does, Mariah Carey kinda gets away with it...

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Irrelevant canard (Re: The Knoxville Horror)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:39:59 2012, in response to The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 15:08:51 2012.

BIG difference...the police didn't stall and actively worked to find suspects. Suspects were arrested pretty quickly. Of the 5 arrested: one got 18 years (federal case), one got 53 years (parole elgibility after 17 and 2/3), two got life without parole, and one got the death penalty.

During the course of the case, Waste Connections (a garbage collection company which has a facility next door) bought the house and tore it down.

Had the case sat and not been investigated, then you would have had a case.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:47:12 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 15:16:25 2012.

The ones who did seek a retrial were denied.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:48:44 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 21:01:15 2012.

But that case didn't have incompetent police investigating it. It was prosecuted...and 3 of the 5 convicted will die in prison (one of the 3 will be put to death).

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:54:31 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 21:39:23 2012.

It probably depends on where you are in the US. In California, 80% white is considered white by most people. Unless they don't want to consider themselves white. For example there are some people around me that have naturally blond hair and look completely white, yet don't like to be called white. Whatever. I'll call anyone whatever they want. We have too many shades of everything to worry about where to draw the line.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 20 22:14:17 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:48:44 2012.

we were discussing media coverage. I find it hard to say that one child's death was more or less horrific that another child's death - despite race. The question was whether this tragedy is getting more coverage than the Knoxville case because of the racial components. In my opinion I think that's part of it but I also think that the very lame police response is also playing a large part in fueling the media.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 23:31:51 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:48:44 2012.

actually they're getting a new trial.

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Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 23:36:11 2012, in response to Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:49:59 2012.

Tonight on Sharpton's radio show it was announced that Trayvon's family is going to NYC for media publicity on the case. NYC officials will attend a town hall meeting to deal with the situation.

A caller suggested 24/7 check of the hotel they stay in and check for poisoning in case someone tries to kill the family. Sharpton said, "I'll keep that in mind".



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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 23:41:00 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 20 21:06:03 2012.

Why was Trayvon wearing a "hoodie". We've had the warmest most humid winter on record.

The NC girl killed by a black carjacker is another example of "black out".

And while you bring up a good point about the goriness of Knoxville Horror, if the roles were reversed, well, it would have been huge.

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Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder)

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 01:55:10 2012, in response to Re: But Wait! (Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Mar 20 12:57:34 2012.

Have you seen Jorge, I mean George Zimmerman?

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Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 21 03:11:57 2012, in response to Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:59:35 2012.

of course you know THATS coming..

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Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 21 03:35:36 2012, in response to Re: Feds Now Investigating Trayvon Martin Murder, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 20 08:59:35 2012.

so if someone said, "who the hell walks around Orlando with a hooded sweater" you'd be pissed?

it was brutally hot and humid this year and I myself had to escape for two weeks.

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Re: The Knoxville Horror

Posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 21 05:50:02 2012, in response to Re: The Knoxville Horror, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 23:41:00 2012.

Why was Trayvon wearing a "hoodie". We've had the warmest most humid winter on record.

LOL!

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Irrelevant canard (Re: The Knoxville Horror)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Mar 21 06:54:13 2012, in response to Irrelevant canard (Re: The Knoxville Horror), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 20 21:39:59 2012.

Irrelevant canard, indeed...LOL

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