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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 22 19:33:38 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 22 17:40:05 2021. Understood. Ultimately it would, if it were established, give some better options to Rockawaites looking to travel through Queens and ultimately New York. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jan 22 20:29:46 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 22 18:53:33 2021. wrong,i,ll post on this 2-morrow. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 22 21:11:22 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jan 22 20:29:46 2021. Don’t forget |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 22 21:17:47 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 22 21:11:22 2021. There should be a race on this abandoned stretch of history.The ROW 3k mudder! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 22:13:56 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 22 09:33:54 2021. No line runs at a profit.The fare recovery rate is above 1 for a couple of systems (pre-pandemic). Among them were Hong Kong and London Transport. For heavy rail operation the MBTA comes in at 74%; BART at 72% and NYCT at 70%. Again, pre-pandemic. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 22:38:49 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 22 11:28:38 2021. Long walk the the Woodhaven Blvd J train station,It's slightly less than a 0.6 mile walk from 98th St & Atlantic to the 95th St entrance to the Woodhaven Blv J train station. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 22 22:53:31 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 22:38:49 2021. that is a two-fare zone for a lot of people.Many people get off the subway and take the bus 0.6 I've seen this on the Q23 many times. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 22 22:55:05 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 22 22:53:31 2021. and Q38 Rego Park station. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Jan 22 22:57:40 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 22 17:05:19 2021. Those were reasons why the Second Avenue Subway and other proposals such as extending the IRT farther down Nostrand Avenue never got started. WWII caused a lot of deferred maintenance along with heavy usage due to gas rationing. As a result most of the older cars were just worn out beyond repair as their useful life span had been exceeded. Power distribution systems also had to be upgraded to support the new cars and longer trains. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 22 23:22:37 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 22 21:17:47 2021. Yeah man. I’d be in and so would my kids |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 22 23:51:22 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 22:38:49 2021. A six tenths of a mile walk is acceptable in the pouring rain |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jan 23 01:23:52 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 22 04:05:14 2021. re: small-business owners in Glendale working hard to get signatures against the proposal.why were they against it? did they not want the noise or traffic volume of the LIRR, or were they afraid that transit would bring "undesirable elements" to the area? the latter reason was given, not out loud, in Massachusetts by Arlington residents who didn't want the Red Line extended via Massachusetts Ave. into Arlington Center. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jan 23 02:08:35 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 22 17:07:09 2021. Thank you for clarifying. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jan 23 02:16:59 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 22 17:10:17 2021. Thank you for your reply. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 23 02:34:40 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Jan 22 17:53:54 2021. Not necessarily. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 23 03:14:07 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jan 23 01:23:52 2021. IIRC it wasn't LIRR. NYCT was going to take over the LIRR Lower Montauk line for service to Jamaica Center.Either way businesses did not want the volume coming through Glendale and Ridgewood for various reasons. The little league field where I played on Woodhaven Blvd at the overpass by Home Depot, was very against it. That made sense. I should subscribe to newspapers.com and read to old stories about the plan. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 23 07:02:22 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by murray1575 on Fri Jan 22 22:57:40 2021. Robert Moses diverting funds to highways was of no use to rail expansion. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 23 07:04:46 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 22:38:49 2021. Who cares. The J train is irrelevant and too slow to take to mid-Manhattan. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 23 09:18:22 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 23 07:04:46 2021. You cared if you had to get to work (at GCT) by mass transit. Before my car died, I'd drive to Vernon-Jackson, park in the area there then jump on the #7. It was a snap.It was a toss up which was slower, the J to downtown & change for the uptown Lex or the Q11 to Woodhaven then the GG to 74th St the upstairs to the 7. Either way, it was a monumental schlepp. An up and running Rockaway line stopping at Woodhaven would have come in mighty handy. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 23 09:57:55 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 22:13:56 2021. The fare recovery rate is above 1 for a couple of systems (pre-pandemic). Among them were Hong Kong and London Transport.For heavy rail operation the MBTA comes in at 74%; BART at 72% and NYCT at 70%. Again, pre-pandemic. I knew about Hong Kong, but not London. That's remarkable. It's surprising that BART is higher than NYCT. |
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Posted by sloth on Sat Jan 23 09:58:55 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 22 08:24:36 2021. The Islanders are subsidizing Elmont. No one has offered to step up and pay for Elmhurst. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 23 10:01:29 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 22 11:28:38 2021. My old landlady used to tell me that the fastest way to get to Manhattan back then was to jump on the LIRR train at the Woodhaven stop & you'd be in Manhattan in about a half hour...for 50 cents.That's an idea ... reopen Woodhaven. Everything looks intact, new street-level entrances would have to be added but that shouldn't be too expensive, a fraction of what it must be costing the LIRR to build the new Elmont station. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 10:03:13 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jan 22 20:29:46 2021. by a show of hands and some groveling by all of you,who wants to know of the 1972 MTA proposal of rebuilding the the RBB?c`mon now,I know ya can do it! |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 23 10:13:40 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jan 23 01:23:52 2021. re: small-business owners in Glendale working hard to get signatures against the proposal.why were they against it? did they not want the noise or traffic volume of the LIRR, or were they afraid that transit would bring "undesirable elements" to the area? the latter reason was given, not out loud, in Massachusetts by Arlington residents who didn't want the Red Line extended via Massachusetts Ave. into Arlington Center. Of all the rail transit expansions that have occurred througout the US in the past few decades, to the best of my knowledge there have been zero proven cases of crime rates rising to a notable extent in areas that received rail service. Some people in suburban Baltimore had been claiming that a couple light rail stations were attracting criminals to the areas, this has been disproven. It makes sense. Criminals may not be the smartest bunch, but they surely can figure out that train cars make the world's worst getaway vehicles. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 23 11:11:09 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 22:13:56 2021. I'd love to see a cost of labor comparison between those systems you mention in our post compared to those in the NYC metro area. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jan 23 11:24:09 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Jan 23 09:57:55 2021. but not London. That's remarkable.I found out at a lecture about congestion pricing. The speaker was from London and described London Transport's experience. I asked him the question and was as surprised as you. I later verified it on the web. What a near 100% FRR means is that any extra money funneled for mass transit won't be dissipated by subsidizing inefficient operations. It's the reason why congestion pricing has improved London Transport operations even though it's done nothing about reducing congestion. BTW, I quoted only heavy rail operation in the US. The FRR for bus operations is about to 31%. Those who advocate deferring heavy rail expansion in favor of some form of better bus service are really condemning NYC to chronic transit deficits. It's one reason I believe that heavy rail expansion should be geared to those who must currently take a bus to the subway. I'm also in favor of using newer forms of active transportation for the first/last mile. Anything to get rid of dependence on expensive buses. That precludes helping a few people along the RBB, who would prefer a niche market subway line. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jan 23 11:27:10 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 23 11:11:09 2021. I'd love to see a cost of labor comparison between those systems you mention in our post compared to those in the NYC metro area.Go to the National Transportation Database. There are Excel tables you can download that will probably give you all the information you need. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 23 11:49:16 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jan 23 11:27:10 2021. Ok Thanks! |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 23 13:27:57 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 22 11:28:38 2021. Even a half hour sounds too long but either way that’s awesome |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 23 13:29:06 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 10:03:13 2021. I do 🙋🏼 |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jan 23 13:45:20 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Jan 22 17:53:54 2021. Any proposed RBB connection to the IND would have to include making Woodhaven Blvd into an express stop.So lettuce kick this around. Now follow. Woodhaven has approaches and departures on both local tracks that go behind a wall for making Woodhaven an express stop. So the express and local tracks would shift, straddling the current platforms, and leaving the current express tracks vacant Now at this point is where these tracks should dive down under the reconfigured eastbound tracks, turn south to join the Rockaway Branch. Further east , past the local tracks at 63rd Drive would then head south to also join the Rockaway Branch. So, both express and local trains could service the Rockaway Branch No need to swarm Roosevelt Ave. to change trains. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Jan 23 14:11:25 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 10:03:13 2021. In 1972 the MTA had plans to reactivate the RBB through Rego Park and Forest Park as part of a JFK Super Express from midtown Manhattan instead of the current AirTrain. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 14:19:59 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 23 13:29:06 2021. SO FAR,A MAJORITY OF ONE. IS THIS DA BEST YOUSE CAN DO? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 23 14:37:48 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 14:19:59 2021. I'll raise my hand so you don't get over stressed and poor Irene has to search for your Will! |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 14:42:15 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 23 14:37:48 2021. IRENE MADE A NICE TRAY OF VEAL CORDON BLUE FOR DINNER. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sat Jan 23 14:52:17 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jan 23 13:45:20 2021. Yes, that was my point -- the city-bound RBB locals could discharge passengers at an express WHB station, thus relieving crowding at Roosevelt Ave.I don't know if the provision to create island platforms at WHB was originally intended to accommodate Rockaway local trains, but it would work in such a scheme today. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 23 14:55:59 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 14:42:15 2021. Sounds like a great last meal, brother! |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 23 16:09:50 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jan 23 13:45:20 2021. I don’t think the way you describe it is how it would happen. The lcl tks would fan out tho go behind the walls of the lcl platforms. The walls would be of course torn down and the existing platforms widened to extend over the former lcl trackways leaving the existing exp tks in place. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 23 16:23:29 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 14:42:15 2021. IRENE MADE A NICE TRAY OF VEAL CORDON BLUE FOR DINNER.Next time ask her to make Kielbasa Kordon Bleu ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 16:25:53 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 23 16:23:29 2021. HAD KIELBASA-N- PIEROGIS LAST WEEK,UMMMMMMM,UMMMMMMM UMMMMMMMMM. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 17:41:36 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by VictorM on Sat Jan 23 14:11:25 2021. SINCE MY PEPSI CHALLANGE OF YESTERDAYS BEGGING AND GROVELING WAS MET BY AN UNDERWELMING RESPONCE I,LL GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY,BECAUSE I,M A HELLOFAGUY.THERE WAS TO BE A JOINT LIRR/NYCTA SERVICE USING HYBRED LIRR/SUBWAY CARS, A NEW SINGLE TRACK TUNNEL WAS TO BE USING THE MONTAUK BRANCH TO MOVE EQUIPMENT UNDER FOREST PARK ONTO THE COMPLETLY REBUILT RBB.IT WAS TO ENTER KENNEDY AIRPORT ON THE GROUND THEN A STRUCTURE WHICH WOULD END IN A STUB ENDED TERMINAL IN THE AIRPORT[WHERE,I DON`T REMEMBER] UPON ENTERING KENNEDY THERE WOULD BE AN INSPECTION SHED FOR THE HYBREDS.HEADING TOWARDS REGO PARK THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 5 STATIONS AND A TOWER.AT 66TH AVE IT WOULD JOIN THE TUNNELS THAT WERE BUILT FOR THE 1932 TAKEOVER BY THE IND OF THE RBB.IT WOULD THEN RUN VIA IND SUBWAY TRACKS TO MANHATTAN.I SAW THESE PLANS IN THE HILLSIDE FACILITY APX.20 OR MORE YEARS AGO.SO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS INFO? |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 18:21:24 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 23 14:55:59 2021. uh,do you know sumpthin`I don`t? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 23 19:46:44 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 16:25:53 2021. Just what everybody needed, another campfire beans scene from "Blazing Saddles". |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jan 23 21:34:07 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 23 16:09:50 2021. I"M thinking both local and express tracks shift to the right leaving original express tracks vacant to drop down and under east bound tracks to head south to White Pot, then merge with local tracks that took turnout from 63rd drive. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jan 23 21:40:50 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 17:41:36 2021. There was to be a 75 ft type M-1. There was a hand out of it but ..... |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 24 01:10:11 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jan 23 21:34:07 2021. Too long a distance from Woodhaven Blvd to 63 Dr. It would require deep tunneling all the way. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 24 03:28:03 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Jan 23 17:41:36 2021. Lovely |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jan 24 03:30:45 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 23 19:46:44 2021. "Blazing Saddles" , what a great movie! |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 24 03:32:09 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jan 23 21:34:07 2021. Only when they flew the American flag upside down |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 24 07:48:54 2021, in response to Re: ROCKAWAY LINE TRACKS, FOREST PARK, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jan 23 21:34:07 2021. I think it would be more like Essex Delancey where one track goes underpass to ascend and merge.Or the way Rockaway ROW merges with the mainline at White Pot JCT. |
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