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Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express. |
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Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Wed Sep 4 22:08:32 2019, in response to Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Chicago44 on Wed Sep 4 15:44:34 2019. Mon Sep 16. Two Manhattan-bound trains in the AM, two Brooklyn-bound in the PM. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Sep 5 01:58:27 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Wed Sep 4 22:08:32 2019. Anyone have a map of where those tracks go? |
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Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Sep 5 08:07:28 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Wed Sep 4 22:08:32 2019. Where did you get the specific date? The supplement isn't up on Transit Feeds. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 5 10:01:37 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Steamdriven on Thu Sep 5 01:58:27 2019. Not sure exactly what you mean, but if you mean the shortcut between Fort Hamilton Pkwy and 7th Ave. . .Here's a thread, and here's a post within that links to images of signs of the trackage from above. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 5 22:12:05 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Wed Sep 4 22:08:32 2019. AM: Scheduled 7:28 & 7:50 arrivals at Church Ave.PM: Scheduled 5:22 & 5:53 arrivals at Jay St./Metro Tech. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Sep 5 23:09:39 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 5 10:01:37 2019. Yes, that. Thanks! |
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Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Thu Sep 5 23:43:36 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Union Tpke on Thu Sep 5 08:07:28 2019. I'm a NYCT T/O, got it from the supplement that will be used starting the 16th. |
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Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Thu Sep 5 23:45:28 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Thu Sep 5 23:43:36 2019. revised: *got it from an Official Notice which states the starting date. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 6 06:28:51 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 5 22:12:05 2019. Will this express be signed up as a diamond F ?Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Sep 6 14:07:20 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Thu Sep 5 23:43:36 2019. Okay. Thanks. That was not clear. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Sep 6 14:07:37 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Thu Sep 5 23:43:36 2019. Any other changes with the supplement? Thanks. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 6 19:12:43 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 5 22:12:05 2019. It sounds like the F express was deliberately set up to fail. The service frequency is so poor that it is virtually useless and like the similar #4 express on Jerome Ave it will probably be dropped after a few months. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Sep 6 20:20:01 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by randyo on Fri Sep 6 19:12:43 2019. Maybe someone should troll MTA by printing an official-looking sign with the express arrival time, then standing on the platform 10 min before each express, with an unmistakable"Get Express Train Here" with 'At xx.YY and xx.ZZ only' underneath and an arrow pointing to the trackway it uses. Someone at Streetsblog, etc might have the enthusiasm to do it. Most people do not follow such things and don't know that the F even has express tracks. IDK if the F express actually makes operational sense, but I like moving steadily a ton better than start/stop/start/stop x 1 bazillion. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 6 22:11:49 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by randyo on Fri Sep 6 19:12:43 2019. If there were somewhere for it to go in Manhattan, I'd say the best result would be to run all Fs express and have some other line be a local which begins at Church Av. The M-V combo screwed that up for now.Maybe they'll curtail the SAS at Phase 3 and route it through the Rutgers tunnel for the Brooklyn connection, then we might have something... |
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Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Fri Sep 6 22:31:34 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Union Tpke on Fri Sep 6 14:07:37 2019. Nothing that I saw. Admittedly I only looked to see if it affected the job I work any. Minor adjustments in running times were all I noticed. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Sep 6 23:02:07 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by randyo on Fri Sep 6 19:12:43 2019. I would be not surprised in the least if it is speed-limit strangled like all the other expresses, thus removing most of its advantage. Back in the '70s, subway cars rated for 70mph were delivered, now the expresses are actually passed by locals until the next stop. Gotta remind average folks how little their time is valued. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 7 09:00:37 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Steamdriven on Fri Sep 6 23:02:07 2019. I remember seeing locals zoom past expresses even in the good old days. But at least express runs were a lot swifter. It was, after all, RAPID transit, not leisurely transit. Back then it was, "You'll get there quickly." Now it, "You'll get there - eventually." |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Sep 7 10:18:03 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Thu Sep 5 23:43:36 2019. You're a motorman. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 7 10:48:37 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 7 09:00:37 2019. At least it's getting better nowadays (rare we can say that about anything). They're removing superfluous timers, fixing misconfigured ones, and raising speed limits. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Sep 7 15:31:23 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 6 22:11:49 2019. That's a fur piece down the road. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 7 16:28:47 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Sep 7 10:18:03 2019. I always refer to the T/O as MOTORMAN which is the title I had when I did the job. A CTA instructor I know told me that CTA changed their M/M title to Rapid Transit Operator after CTA went all OPTO since it was felt that the new title was more descriptive of the motorman’s duties once door operation was added. That could possibly be said of the NYCTA T/O position too since I expect that the actual C/R title will eventually be phased out and T/Os will alternate M/M and C/R duties depending on the direction of the trip which I believe is done in Canada. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Sat Sep 7 17:48:03 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 7 10:48:37 2019. If they really mean business, they'll gradually straighten out kinks in the lines. That is, where a sharp slowdown followed by some straight distance to the next station exists, eliminate or change the obstruction. That's obviously not practical where the problem is a sharp curve in the tunnel eg Park Place, but is possible with varying degrees of effort elsewhere. The A train seems to have several crawl-then-go hits between Rockaway and JFK. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 7 19:31:34 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Steamdriven on Fri Sep 6 20:20:01 2019. Let's have a bikini clad girl holding the sign. Just like at boxing and UFC matches with the upcoming round on the sign.Of course she'll be looked at instead of what's on the sign. The G crews (males only) will be happy to provide security during their recovery/lunch time against perverts. Hell, transit bureau cops just might come out of the woodwork too! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 8 10:50:22 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 7 10:48:37 2019. I'd like to see that timer on the n/b 4th Ave. express track at 9th St. tweaked, if not removed. It ruins a great express sprint. Expresses hit 45 mph at that station, then slam on the brakes and crawl the rest of the way to Pacific St. |
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Posted by MTA T on Sun Sep 8 11:18:23 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Steamdriven on Fri Sep 6 23:02:07 2019. The southbound section is because there are timers on multiple downhill stretches. Northbound is only affected at one place (between Smith/9th and Carroll). |
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Posted by MTA T on Sun Sep 8 11:19:21 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by randyo on Fri Sep 6 19:12:43 2019. Most ridership is at Church Ave, 7th Ave, (4th Ave?), Carroll St, and Bergen St. Hence they are testing the express service on a limited basis to inconvenience as few people at Bergen and Carroll as possible. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 8 11:21:51 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by randyo on Fri Sep 6 19:12:43 2019. The service frequency is so poor that it is virtually uselessIt's no less frequent than typical rush hour commuter rail service. Are you saying subway riders are incapable of timing their rides? Don't you think the Rockaway Park riders having been doing that successfully for years, with their 5 direct trains at 20 minute intervals? |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Sun Sep 8 12:01:44 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by MTA T on Sun Sep 8 11:18:23 2019. Well, if there's no curve ahead then there's no real need to brake it to 27mph or whatever, that's a massive waste of energy. It's welded rail, the trains can't go fast enough to rattle themselves off the track.Where there is a curve ahead, the timers are still set too slow. 1/2 the derailment speed results in 1/4 the derailment force, so there's 4x headroom for what-if. 4:a safety margin is plenty. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 8 12:04:25 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 7 19:31:34 2019. Thanks to third wave feminists, that girl would likely be some #BodyPositive fatty, otherwise the whole project will be full of protest from the #woke crowd. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Sep 8 13:11:53 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by randyo on Sat Sep 7 16:28:47 2019. We didn't receive one penny more for opto. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 8 18:51:12 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 8 10:50:22 2019. When I was a M/M it was still the old signaling and that timer didn’t exist. The only timers in the 4 Av subway S/O Pacific St were on the N/B lcl and exp tks approaching 36 St. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 8 18:59:33 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by AlM on Sun Sep 8 11:21:51 2019. It’s different when you have become accustomed to a “scheduled” service like commuter RRs and the Rockaways but when you have become accustomed to the more frequent service as provided by rapid transit long intervals between trains doesn’t make much sense. If a passenger were to get to his/her station a few minutes ahead of a scheduled express it might make just as much sense to take a regular local rather than wait for the express which may or may not get the passenger to his destination much if at all earlier than the lcl that they let go by. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 8 19:09:36 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by randyo on Sun Sep 8 18:59:33 2019. So this is a new scheduled service. People who can benefit ought to be able to become accustomed to it. Of course, that assumes the service follows the schedule. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 9 01:23:50 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by AlM on Sun Sep 8 19:09:36 2019. The problem is that it may not be able to, especially S/B in the PM when the trains are coming all the way from Jamaica. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Sep 9 07:14:27 2019, in response to Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Chicago44 on Wed Sep 4 15:44:34 2019. At least those express tracks are being used - I always wondered why the test tracks were built on the Rockaway flats and on the Dyre Ave. line instead of using the unused tracks like the aforementioned F line express tracks in Brooklyn or the express tracks on the Sea Beach line also in Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Sep 9 08:13:52 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Sep 9 07:14:27 2019. I suspect the Dyre one was a trick to use car procurement funding to get a new track. It added some much needed flexibility - since the Dyre doesn't run along a road, shuttle busing was always awkward. A third track has made that unnecessary for the most part.The Rockaway flats, beats the heck out of me. Maybe they wanted to do high speed tests? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 9 08:20:18 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by AlM on Sun Sep 8 11:21:51 2019. The Rockaways has always been a hybrid rapid transit/commuter rail with trains no more frequent than 15 - 20 minutes.The IND Culver line has had trains at 4 - 5 minute rush hour intervals for 2 generations. I doubt people are going to let a local F go by to wait for the express F that runs twice a day. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 9 09:53:31 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by randyo on Mon Sep 9 01:23:50 2019. If that's the case, it won't be useful. I guess that's why the Rockaway Park trains start at 59th. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 9 14:44:33 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by AlM on Mon Sep 9 09:53:31 2019. But there are more R/P trains in the PM rush than there will be F expresses. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 9 14:48:09 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 9 08:20:18 2019. That was the point I was trying to make in my post. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 9 15:07:33 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 9 08:20:18 2019. I doubt people are going to let a local F go by to wait for the express F that runs twice a day.No. They are going to time their arrival at the station so that the next F train to arrive will be the express they want. If NYCT can't keep those express Fs on schedule most of the time, the experiment will obviously fail. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 9 15:23:36 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by AlM on Mon Sep 9 15:07:33 2019. They'll get to the station and take a train that gets them to work when they are due for work. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Mon Sep 9 15:27:11 2019, in response to Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Chicago44 on Wed Sep 4 15:44:34 2019. If service on the "F" Diamond service expands throughout the day maybe the MTA should then switch the regular "F" service between Queens and Manhattan to travel via the 53rd Street tunnel and the "V" service along with the "F" Diamond service to then utilize the 63rd Street tunnel. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 9 15:35:42 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Nyctransitman on Mon Sep 9 15:27:11 2019. You mean the "M", not the "V" ? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 9 15:37:24 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 9 15:35:42 2019. If it goes down the Smith St Line in Bkln instead of myrtle, it is not an M but a train that needs a new letter like a V. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 9 15:52:18 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Sep 8 13:11:53 2019. That brings up and interesting aspect of NYCT’s OPTO. When NYCTA first instituted OPTO, it offered a premium pay supplement for T/Os making OPTO trips.The TWU objected claiming that the premium was not enough and wanted more money. The NYCT management investigated other systems which were doing OPTO and discovered that those systems were paying eve less that what the MTA was offering so the MTA withdrew their original offer and made a counteroffer in line with what was at the time industry standard. I believe some sort of arbitrator was involved and because of that the TWU lost their fight and had to accept even less than the MTA’s original offer. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 9 15:53:51 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 9 15:23:36 2019. ???No one who takes a commuter railroad has that luxury. There are probably plenty of people who will take an express F if it runs reliably on time. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 9 17:39:03 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by AlM on Mon Sep 9 15:53:51 2019. Commuter rail passengers take a train that will get them to work and not be late. Not everyone can flex their hours.The F express will save 2 minutes ? They won't go out of their way to take it. |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Mon Sep 9 19:11:46 2019, in response to Re: Start up date for the Limited rush hour Brooklyn F train express., posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Fri Sep 6 22:31:34 2019. Is it still the 16 of September that the Limited express will begin? |
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