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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 20:30:27 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 16:39:15 2015. If you are headed to anywhere along the J or any of the QB trains, or to anywhere walking distance from 42nd st then yes, it's easy enough if you don't have more than 2 large bags. On top of the airtrain (or Q70 for LGA) + rail option, there's also NY Airporter bus service. But when you''ve got 3 large bags, or you're a family with a kid and you're trying to keep track of your bags, your kids bags, and your kid(s), you're going to choose a cab. I'll even throw you a bone and say if you want to avoid a taxi in that scenario, I'll say use a door to door ride share like Super Shuttle And how long do all of your suggested routes from CT take to get to the airport? If I have an option of driving for 1 hour vs 3 hours via mass transit, guess what most people are choosing. And for what it's worth, you really gotta check out CT Limo. They run bus service from Hartford along 91, 84, and 95 to LGA, EWR, and JFK. That was my bone to see if you knew your options but you came back with this outlandish roundabout ride to places out of my route. I already told you the route I took from Bed Stuy, and on top of your additional J route (which is a shlep but still feasible with a small bag), I can take the B15 bus a few blocks from my apartment. But if I've got 3 large bags, you really expect me to do any of that rather than just call a cab? Sorry, what you're selling is an incomplete package. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 4 21:05:35 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 18:06:20 2015. heaven forbid New Yorkers actually reduce the amount of garbage they create. reduce, re use, recycle. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 4 21:15:08 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 15:59:16 2015. You missed the MED trains in Chicago. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:21:37 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 19:37:35 2015. And all I'm saying is that IF there is still a shown need to add another highway, that it should be done if/where feasible |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:22:32 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 19:28:13 2015. I'm more concerned with the grades in Westchester County, not on the bridge itself |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:22:33 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 19:28:13 2015. I'm more concerned with the grades in Westchester County, not on the bridge itself |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:22:33 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 19:28:13 2015. I'm more concerned with the grades in Westchester County, not on the bridge itself |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:23:52 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 19:38:18 2015. Why not? It adds park space to all of the neighborhoods the line passes through instead of ugly freight trains running through a dirty cut. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:25:33 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:22:33 2015. Woops, sorry for the triple post. Phone hiccupped |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:27:31 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 20:09:28 2015. I've already demonstrated where new highways can be placed |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:29:34 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 20:10:32 2015. Like I said, try it sometime yourself with 2 or 3 large suitcases. You are absolutely ridiculous and I'm seeing little point in discussing this any further with someone who thinks everything can be solved with mass transit and refuses to recognize physical burdens or any other realities |
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Posted by Merrick1 on Fri Sep 4 21:41:59 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 19:00:38 2015. If you set the toll high enough plumbers and electricians would locate their businesses and garage their trucks in Manhattan instead of driving them in from Brooklyn or Queens every morning. That would reduce bridge and tunnel traffic at rush hour. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:45:30 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Merrick1 on Fri Sep 4 21:41:59 2015. Yeah, you go pay for property in Manhattan. You have zero concept of the costs of running a business it seems |
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Posted by Merrick1 on Fri Sep 4 21:47:34 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 17:50:30 2015. Railroads aren't interested in 100 mile trips or 300 mile trips. 1000 miles or more is the trip railroads want. Then you put the container on a truck for the last 100 miles. |
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Posted by Merrick1 on Fri Sep 4 21:58:00 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:45:30 2015. My coop board interviewed several elevator companies. While the main office may be in the outer boroughs many companies have an apartment in Manhattan. They have mechanics sleep there every night so they can respond to emergencies.I live in Queens so I didn't ask but I assume they also have a couple of trucks garaged near the apartment. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 23:39:32 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Merrick1 on Fri Sep 4 21:58:00 2015. A very small minority probably. A buddy of mine's father owns a plumbing company in Brooklyn that does a lot of Manhattan work. I can guarantee you they could never afford to have a garage in Manhattan |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Sep 5 01:54:20 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 19:39:24 2015. But travel times on BART and WMATA can be comparable to those made on many of the Regional Rail lines SEPTA operates the Silverliner Vs on. Ultimately what matters is not the pigeon hole you attempt to fit the method of travel into, but the passenger's experience. To the passenger the Regional Rail and "subways" are functionally identical. They're a box they'll ride for 15 to 30 minutes. Why do you excuse the lack of bathrooms in one set of boxes, but decry another boxes' lack of the same? |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Sep 5 02:03:20 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 4 21:15:08 2015. The Nippon Sharyos have restrooms. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 5 08:01:46 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:27:31 2015. we need to get bold(er )in this freekin' town.   |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 5 08:01:55 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:27:31 2015. we need to get bold(er )in this freekin' town. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 5 08:01:55 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:27:31 2015. we need to get bold(er )in this freekin' town. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 5 08:44:51 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 17:31:44 2015. hmmm. i'd say "...local deliveries in Brookkyn and Queens or people in Queens/Brooklyn who want to leave NYC" is a pretty good reason for large number of folks to need a modern, capable highway to use. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Sep 5 09:08:34 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 5 08:01:55 2015. That photo is from 2009. I didn't know Oklahoma had been planning to build high speed rail back then. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Sep 5 10:13:06 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 5 08:01:55 2015. Sexy. And yes, we will need to start stacking our infrastructure even more than currently done, similar to Tokyo, if we continue to grow at this rate |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Sep 5 10:14:50 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by WillD on Sat Sep 5 01:54:20 2015. Because the titles!!!! It's FRA so it must have bathrooms! |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Sep 5 10:16:20 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 4 19:39:24 2015. So an LIRR train shuttling between Jamaica and FBA must have bathrooms but the A from Far Rockaway to Inwood shouldn't be required... Okay |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Sep 5 10:56:40 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Sep 5 10:16:20 2015. LIRR goes from Far Rockaway to Inwood too. And it is MIRACULOUS how much faster it is!!! |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 5 11:08:06 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Sep 5 09:08:34 2015. that was suprising, yeah. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 5 11:41:43 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Sep 5 10:14:50 2015. Tell that to Metra's Electric Division. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 5 11:44:25 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by WillD on Sat Sep 5 02:03:20 2015. Quite the public lobbying effort during the design phase. The Highlkiner is did not. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 5 11:47:34 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by WillD on Sat Sep 5 01:54:20 2015. BART for years liked to say they were regional rail--"were the Long Island,not the subway" as their PR flack said to me decades ago. Now, at leeast some of BART's directors have figured out that it IS the subway. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Sep 5 12:39:14 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by R30A on Sat Sep 5 10:56:40 2015. Hush! |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:25:36 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 4 21:05:35 2015. They are recycling a good amount of it. Unfortunately, the NIMBY problem has killed off doing trash to energy plants in the city, which would be great because they could co-generate power and steam for the ConEd steam system. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:29:04 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 4 21:15:08 2015. Some old ones don't, but as they get phased out, the new ones have bathrooms. That was easier to force them to do the right thing on those because the regular Metra trains all have bathrooms, so there was inequality between the two parts of the system.If the FRA would just rule that all heavy rail trains must have bathrooms, it would force SEPTA and RTD to put them in and fix the problem. SEPTA's excuse about not being able to service them is one of the lamest excuses that I have ever heard about something not getting done. But we all know that SEPTA hates their customers, and would rather just scrap all the cars and go home. It's unfortunate that a transit agency views itself that way. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:29:44 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:21:37 2015. It's not feasible to add any more roads within NYC anyway, so it's a pointless discussion anyway. Even lane additions would be hard/impossible in most places. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:30:21 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:22:32 2015. You're thinking of that whacky connector to the Hudson Line? That's one reason I would connect via the Harlem instead. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:32:56 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:23:52 2015. Then you end up with trains that are basically in a tunnel. Plus, the reconstruction for plate H clearance plus overhead catenary would be significant as it is, and plopping a park on top of that might be challenging in places. I'm not sure what the clearances look like now though. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:39:26 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Merrick1 on Fri Sep 4 21:47:34 2015. NYC and NJ are a relatively unique situation since you have the GWB in the way. The large railroads seem to only want to handle unit trains and intermodal over long distances. The incentives need to be re-aligned so that trucks pay their fair share, and railroads are incented to provide service closer to where stuff is actually going, as well as increase carload freight business that can directly divert truck traffic.The standard number I hear for intermodal is 300 miles. That should drop when you consider the congestion constraints through NYC. Higher tolls through NYC could also help. Also, freight coming from terminals out west could be put on COFC cars on the rear of the train in the first place for New England, and then those cuts assembled for trains to go to terminals up here. A shuttle to Cedar Hill, a shuttle to Davisville, and a shuttle to Worcester should cover New England pretty well. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:42:01 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by WillD on Sat Sep 5 01:54:20 2015. Regional rail are scheduled trains, subways are heavy rail rapid transit that shows up every 10 or 12 or whatever minutes. Different fare structure, different scheduling, different service, different expectations.Rapid transit services, the NYC subway included, should have more station bathrooms. The NYC subway's lack of them is pathetic for a first world country. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 5 13:43:28 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:25:36 2015. trash to energy is a hard call. toxic combustion products are not Green. That said, in my view one of the major issues is the needless blister packaging of so many things. BTW there is a neat doc on the garbage collectors in Cairo called Garbage Dreams. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:43:48 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 5 08:44:51 2015. Well, there's no room for one, so they get what they get. The only thing that can be done is significantly raising tolls, although demand tends to be fairly inelastic anyway. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 5 13:46:52 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:29:04 2015. no disagreement about Septa. Yes, I was aware that the MED riders had the leverage of disparate treatment. Of course, 60 years ago the IC had functional bathrooms in the stations. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:48:01 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Sep 5 10:16:20 2015. The subway shouldn't go to Rockaway Beach (I presume you're referring to). The RBB should be restored as LIRR service. And yes, LIRR is FRA heavy rail, so bathrooms. I'm assuming PATH has no bathrooms, but they could just drop their FRA status and be regulated as heavy rail rapid transit, which is what they actually ARE. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:51:49 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 21:29:34 2015. Considering that you get one moderate sized suitcase a small bag on airplaces these days, even international flights, I'm not worried about someone trying to travel with multiple people's worth of luggage.I recognize that most of the US can't just be served by mass transit, but trips within NYC, especially to the airports, 100% can be with better mass transit and if people weren't lazy. In an ideal world, the subway would be expanded, service would be good 24/7, same for the busses, and taxis wouldn't operate at all in NYC. But unfortunately, some people are lazy. However, I'm not going to waste money on a taxi sitting in traffic. I'm paying my $2.75 and laughing while some idiot is sitting in traffic in a taxi paying 10x what I am and I'm hauling ass underneath or overhead of them using electric traction power. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 5 14:01:44 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:42:01 2015. Agree about the bathrooms. As to regional (commuter?) rail, I would just point out that before much of the South Side of Chicago was abandonned by economically functional people and businesses, headways on the IC (now MED) N of 67th during midday were close to 15 minutes M-F.If one looks at how the 1926 fleet was designed--married motor/trailer pairs, door controls allowing one crew member to open/close all, a light in the cab showing the motorman the door status, does any of that along w/ barrier fare control and high level platforms sound like rapid transit? The major differences were sharing trackage w/mainline freight (a M-F way freight on the South Chicago Branch up into the 60s) and thus full mainline crews. It was BTW the IC which pioneered--not very sucessfully--a mag stripe farecard/faregate system from a DOD vendor (Litton) back in the 60s. RTA scrapped the vestiges some years ago along w/ cutting fequencies outside rush hour. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 5 14:06:11 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 13:51:49 2015. Much as I believe in transit, there are times when a cab is the right answer. When I get off Amtrak in downtown Oakland post 11 PM and the next bus is a 20 minute wait, a cab will have me home before the bus even starts. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 14:08:12 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 4 20:30:27 2015. You don't get 2 large bags on most airlines anyway. And the size of luggage is even smaller if you're flying international, although you get a checked bag too, unlike most domestic airlines that aren't Southwest. You have to be able to carry your own luggage one way or another, whether it's on an airport shuttle to a car rental facility, a subway, or through the airport itself.The NY Airporter just shows how stupid people are. Every single route they run is easily replicated by existing mass transit operations. I don't care about some stupid bus/limo service, as it is completely pointless. If I want to go to the airport, Metro-North is the best way to get there. Right now, from the Hartford area, you'd have to drive to NH and pay for parking to catch MN, but soon the NHHS service will connect to that at NHV, which isn't much different from SLE for us folks on the shoreline. The biggest problem with getting to airports is overnight parking availability and rates. In some towns, you can street park somewhere for free, but that's limited in other places. If the B15 is better, then take that. Either way a cab is entirely unnecessary. One of the reasons JFK is attractive is that it's accessible directly by rail. On the flip side, JFK itself is a congested cluster**** because of stupid Delta. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 14:10:14 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 5 13:43:28 2015. What else are you going to do with it? It's burn or landfill. Burning is a lot better. Blister packs should be recycled, although a lot of people seem to be retarded at reading the labels on things and diverting recycling material. And even that has to leave the city somehow, whether it's rail or truck. That looks interesting, but it's not available streaming anywhere. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 14:11:30 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 5 14:06:11 2015. I don't know how Oakland is set up. Cabs are necessary in a lot of smaller cities. But not in NYC. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sat Sep 5 14:14:03 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 5 14:01:44 2015. "Economically functional people" LOL. FRA heavy rail should have bathrooms. That would include TriboroRX if it is ever done, even if it is treated fare-wise as a subway. In that case, I'd probably keep them locked and make it so you have to ask the conductor to use the bathroom. |
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