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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Aug 3 13:55:00 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by pragmatist on Mon Aug 3 13:50:45 2015. I don't know exactly how large it is, but there will be an "event" at the Javits Center that night:CBST High Holy Day services |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Aug 3 13:57:56 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by fdtutf on Mon Aug 3 13:55:00 2015. Haha!!!!!!!!!! Awesome!! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 4 15:30:41 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Aug 3 11:28:51 2015. Well, adding to it is NYC also taking two additional days for a Muslim Holiday in September (though I believe one of those days overlaps with Yom Kippur, so this year it's actually one extra day).It's tricky because NYC schools also I believe have a long-running "gentlemen's agreement" with US Tennis officials not to start the school year until after the scheduled conclusion of the US Open Tennis Championships (I don't know why that can't be changed to where that starts and finishes one week earlier, especially now that it's moved to ESPN). |
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Posted by fdtutf on Sun Aug 9 20:59:14 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Aug 3 13:57:56 2015. Follow-up: CBST's bulletin at services Friday evening said that they typically get about 4,000 people for the main HHD services. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Aug 9 23:13:30 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by fdtutf on Sun Aug 9 20:59:14 2015. Thanks!!! The Silence is pwn3d again and again and again!!!!! |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Aug 10 00:00:21 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Aug 3 13:16:35 2015. I know where B&H is. B&H is on 9th and 34th, it's not reasonably near to the new station, which is what we were talking about before you butted in, traffic to the new station (your mixed up mess of a brain added in the rest of the subway).why would anyone in their right mind use the 7 to get there when the IND is much closer? If you come out the correct exit stairs from the 8th ave line, you don't even need to cross a street to get there. So why would you use a deeper, further away station, when there is a shallower, closer one? let's do some Math, if your low IQ is up for it. the total Jewish population of the city of New York is about 1 million. the total population of the city is about 8.5 million. So the total Jewish population of the city is (and I'm being generous here) 12% of the city total. It's actually 11.7% but I like rounding. When 12% stops to do something, what about the other 88%..? |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Aug 10 00:16:05 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by fdtutf on Sun Aug 9 20:59:14 2015. New York Comic con got 151,000 visitors last year (even more than the "real" Comic con in San Diego_4,000 is roughly two trains worth. but, it still proves wally wrong. His original assertion was that if what Brian says is true, then the ridership numbers would remain low for the first three days at the new station. If this event draws a crowd, if anything, it proves me right, there will be load. The station is designed for thousands of people an hour all day long. It's real capacity will be very much under used for the first year or two. It won't get to it's true peak load until those towers start to open and people start coming and going full time. that was my main point in the on topic department before he started on his ranting and raving. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Aug 10 10:29:46 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by The Silence on Mon Aug 10 00:16:05 2015. From a previous message:"The station is designed for thousands of people an hour all day long. It's real capacity will be very much under used for the first year or two. It won't get to it's true peak load until those towers start to open and people start coming and going full time. that was my main point in the on topic department before he started on his ranting and raving." I remember back in the mid-1980's at the Jacob Javitts Center there used to be the huge PC Expo events that lasted a week. Then thousands of folks attended the computer fairs - with plenty of folks walking from the PC Expo 34th Street with their bags of computer items. The buses on the way to and from the PC Expo would be crowded. Inside the JJC all three floors were filled with exhibits and booths from hundreds of computer companies and suppliers. Often there was no way to explore all of the happenings in one day - requiring trips of 2 or 3 days to complete the journey. It was a fantastic time. Now if the JJC could have such regular people-packed events after the new subway station opens, then the idea of a beautiful expensive "ghost" station will be averted. Mike |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Aug 10 11:03:16 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Michael549 on Mon Aug 10 10:29:46 2015. Some of the large trade association shows have had shuttle buses running to their "recommended" hotels, public shows have very large crowds walking over from the PABT, subway or Penn, the event rates for parking are very high. The best known would be The Auto Show, and the Comic Con. Boat Show is big, but the loading bay door size restrict some of the really big stuff from being exhibited so it's not quite what it used to be. They are multi day and have huge attendance. But there are some other less well known events like the bar exam that can bring very large numbers all at once. Robin Hood Foundation fundraiser is a huge event, but that would be a limo and cab crowd. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Aug 10 14:35:30 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 4 15:30:41 2015. (I don't know why that can't be changed to where that starts and finishes one week earlier, especially now that it's moved to ESPN)Because there are other tournaments on the U.S. hard-court swing that have to be held before the Open. The tennis season is very tightly scheduled. The off-season is otherwise known as "December." |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Aug 10 15:06:01 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by fdtutf on Mon Aug 10 14:35:30 2015. PS I should have said "North American hard-court swing." |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Aug 10 17:06:44 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by fdtutf on Mon Aug 10 14:35:30 2015. Of course, but I'm sure some would like to see it happen in some way where the US Open ends on Labor Day to avoid conflicts with the start of the school year. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 10 20:39:28 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Aug 3 12:08:51 2015. How far do I have to walk from the NY Waterways ferry terminal to get to a station entrance? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Aug 10 20:59:52 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 10 20:39:28 2015. the ferry provides a shuttle bus |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 10 21:45:26 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 4 15:30:41 2015. Why does the opening of NYC schools have to revolve around a tennis tournament? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 10 21:47:13 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Aug 2 02:03:56 2015. Here we go again. Whatever happens, I can assure you that ridership will be higher at the Hudson Yards station (or on practically every other transit service in the world) than at any station on the Jerusalem Light Rail on September 13. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 10 21:47:41 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 10 21:47:13 2015. That date should be September 14, my bad. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon Aug 10 22:10:07 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by The Silence on Mon Aug 10 00:00:21 2015. know where B&H is. B&H is on 9th and 34th, it's not reasonably near to the new station...why would anyone in their right mind use the 7 to get there when the IND is much closer? If you come out the correct exit stairs from the 8th ave line, you don't even need to cross a street to get there. So why would you use a deeper, further away station, when there is a shallower, closer one?Yes it is. People who live or work or typically travel along the 7 or one of the lines that connect more conveniently with the 7 than with the 8th Ave IND. which is what we were talking about before you butted in, traffic to the new station (your mixed up mess of a brain added in the rest of the subway).You're a moron. I know exactly what is being discussed and I responded as such. That should be obvious to you but sadly it isn't. let's do some Math, if your low IQ is up for it.Wow, you're even dumber than I thought! When 12% stops to do something, what about the other 88%..?Haven't you been listening to anything you've been told????? |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon Aug 10 22:12:35 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by The Silence on Mon Aug 10 00:16:05 2015. but, it still proves wally wrong. His original assertion was that if what Brian says is true, then the ridership numbers would remain low for the first three days at the new station. If this event draws a crowd, if anything, it proves me right, there will be load.No, it proves YOU wrong. You said there'd be no load at the station anyhow since nothing is going on over there. You also said there are not many religious Jews. You're just wrong wrong wrong, LOL! |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Aug 10 22:13:52 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Michael549 on Mon Aug 10 10:29:46 2015. they'd have to be very regular, and the subway would have to be their primary route.Willets Point is 249th out of 421 in subway ridership, it basically exists for the Mets, the tennis center and the park. The open lasts 2 weeks and the maximum number of home games an MLB team can play in a year is about 92. (81 regular season, plus assuming home field advantage the whole way and going the full distance in all series 3of 5,4 of 7 and 4 of 7). So heavy traffic there is maybe 1/3rd of the year. Meanwhile 161st is 38th, because it's used every day by people who live and work around Yankee stadium, not just people going to see the Evil Empire in action. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Aug 10 22:14:54 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 10 21:45:26 2015. they don't, he's pulling that out of his ass. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Aug 10 22:19:44 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 4 15:30:41 2015. Hey wally, do a little research before you post your paranoid delusions...School starts for NYC public schools on September 9th. The open ends September 13th. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Aug 10 22:33:23 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon Aug 10 22:12:35 2015. If they take the subway to services at Javits they aren't religious in a traditional sense. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon Aug 10 22:35:30 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by pragmatist on Mon Aug 10 22:33:23 2015. They are religious in the sense that they are observing the holiday and altering their normal travel patterns. The Silence incorrectly claimed that there would be no noticeable differences in travel patterns because there are so few Jews observing the holiday. He really has absolutely no idea what he's talking about and he needs to STFU about things he knows nothing about. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 10 22:39:29 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by pragmatist on Mon Aug 10 22:33:23 2015. I haven't been to CBST but I doubt their services are the most traditional. That being said, many Jews throughout the world, including in Israel (where traffic jams on erev Rosh Hashanah are about as bad as they are during a regular rush hour), will drive to meals and services over the course of the holiday. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Aug 10 22:57:04 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Aug 10 17:06:44 2015. No doubt they would. They will be disappointed because the tennis schedule isn't going to change. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Aug 10 23:31:54 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 4 15:30:41 2015. I understand that the Pope's meeting with President Obama will also occur on the same day as Yom Kippur. So it looks like that day will have significance for Jews, Muslims, and Catholics too. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 10 23:38:04 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Aug 10 23:31:54 2015. Eid al-Adha should coincide with Yom Kippur this year. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 11 02:33:57 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by The Silence on Mon Aug 10 22:19:44 2015. That's what I thought and makes sense. I'm sure the US Tennis Federation doesn't like that as they would prefer the school year not start until after the US Open concludes (but this year, that's not possible due to where the Jewish Holidays fall and also because of the addition of the Muslim holiday in September). |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Aug 11 08:22:47 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 10 22:39:29 2015. CBST has a variety of services, some of which are more traditional than others. I would agree that probably none of them are "the most traditional." |
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Posted by Southern BMT on Tue Aug 11 16:03:46 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 10 21:45:26 2015. Why does the opening of NYC schools have to revolve around a tennis tournament?It doesn't. The opening of NYC schools is always the same week as Labor Day (except in 2013, when Rosh Hasanah fell that week). |
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Posted by Southern BMT on Tue Aug 11 16:07:59 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 4 15:30:41 2015. Well, adding to it is NYC also taking two additional days for a Muslim Holiday in September (though I believe one of those days overlaps with Yom Kippur, so this year it's actually one extra day).I believe that the second day fall during the summer this year, so that is why there is only one fewer school day instead of two (although if you want to be technical, there are actually no fewer school days due to the Muslim holidays since school is starting one day earlier this year; of course, the addition of Lunar New Year as a holiday negated this, so there is in fact one fewer day than originally planned). It's tricky because NYC schools also I believe have a long-running "gentlemen's agreement" with US Tennis officials not to start the school year until after the scheduled conclusion of the US Open Tennis Championships (I don't know why that can't be changed to where that starts and finishes one week earlier, especially now that it's moved to ESPN). Not true. NYC schools opening has nothing to do with the tennis calendar. |
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Posted by The silence on Tue Aug 11 19:41:47 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 11 02:33:57 2015. Oh for the love of...WHY WOULD THEY CARE!?! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 11 20:50:18 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 11 02:33:57 2015. Why does the US Tennis Federation care when NYC Public Schools open??? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Aug 12 01:32:47 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by The silence on Tue Aug 11 19:41:47 2015. When I was growing up, there was a "gentlemen's agreement" as I remember that delayed the start of the school year in New York to the day after the normal conclusion of the US Open Tennis Championships. While that was not always honored, as I remember it was why the school year usually started the Monday after Labor Day, even in years where Rosh Hashanah fell after the school year started AND did not fall on a weekend. The idea was so that kids could attend the US Open, especially during the second week which has always been the week after Labor Day.I've known people who don't care about Tennis the rest of the year (even for Wimbledon) but will watch whatever they could of the US Open. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Aug 12 01:37:59 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 11 20:50:18 2015. As I remember, the "gentlemen's agreement" not to start the school year until after the US Open was specifically so kids could attend. As noted, this has not always been honored (and this year because of all the religious holidays AND the Pope's visit in September coupled with the late Labor Day it can't). |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Aug 12 04:37:35 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 11 20:50:18 2015. screw da US Tennis Federation.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Aug 12 10:31:41 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Aug 12 01:37:59 2015. why don't we hold off school till the World Series is over while we at it..?They play at night, kids can go then. |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Aug 12 10:35:26 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Aug 12 01:32:47 2015. there was no agreement. The largest school system in the country is not going to drop everything for a bunch of people chasing a yellow ball and grunting!show me one ounce of proof that what you say is true. physical evidence. not your theories. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 12 10:49:53 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Aug 12 01:32:47 2015. This sounds like utter bullshit to me. Rosh Hashanah almost always falls after Labor Day (it requires a very specific set of circumstances to all occur simultaneously to fall on or before Labor Day). How about some solid proof of this supposed agreement existing? I highly doubt that if schools are closed during the US Open that many students are going to go watch tennis matches instead of whatever they would otherwise do on the last week of summer break. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Aug 12 11:15:27 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 12 10:49:53 2015. I'd be curious how many could even afford tickets? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 12 16:10:24 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Aug 12 01:32:47 2015. I don’t know about any sort of “gentlemen’s agreement” regarding the relation between the tennis matches and the school but in the 1950s when I went to school, and before tennis became as popular as it now is, the school year always started the Monday after Labor Day. As I recall that was even the case when I went to high school which I graduated in 1962. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Aug 12 18:44:39 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by pragmatist on Wed Aug 12 11:15:27 2015. Is the extension in Manhattan of Queens? Thinking of coming to New York in September for the Yankees-Mets series and I've always enjoyed riding the #7 Train though as you should all know it is NOT my favorite line. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 12 18:49:20 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Aug 12 18:44:39 2015. Mahnattan, to 34th/11th. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Aug 12 20:36:58 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by pragmatist on Mon Aug 10 20:59:52 2015. Okay, I'll rephrase- how faf a walk is it from the Ferry to the #7 terminal? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 13 09:41:58 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 12 10:49:53 2015. That's what I remember growing up. Whether true or not, that's what I remember hearing when I was younger. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Aug 13 11:17:32 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 12 16:10:24 2015. ...in the 1950s when I went to school, and before tennis became as popular as it now is, the school year always started the Monday after Labor Day. As I recall that was even the case when I went to high school which I graduated in 1962.AKA "during the amateur era." The open era in tennis began in 1968. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Aug 13 17:14:13 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 13 09:41:58 2015. Did you grow up in Forest Hills near the tennis stadium? Possibly some kids in the area speculated that that might be the reason NYC schools opened later than those in surrounding communities, but it seems highly unlikely to be true. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 13 17:50:16 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Aug 13 17:14:13 2015. I grew up in Manhattan, where the US Open was always made into a much bigger deal than it is. As said, I knew people who didn't care about Tennis much of the year BUT when the US Open came around they watched as much as possible.Basically, that was legend growing up that school was not supposed to start until the US Open concluded. Obviously this year because of where religious holidays fall coupled with a late Labor Day that is impossible to honor without going into a year hoping there are no "snow days" at all. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 13 17:54:06 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by pragmatist on Wed Aug 12 11:15:27 2015. Many I believe work as ball boys, and for many years you could get a "grounds pass" that allowed you to see matches on any court other than the "big three" (Ashe, Armstrong and Grandstand).I believe the Juniors sections of the US Open are played mostly during the second week as well and that if so was likely why there such "gentlemen's agreements" that were legend when I was growing up in Manhattan. |
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