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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri May 11 21:34:01 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 10 21:56:58 2012. "And to those who bring up the Aqueduct Casino and a possible convention center, remember, that when the ROW was discontinued by the LIRR, Aqueduct was in it's heyday getting between 25,000 and 50,000 attendence each day."That's a good observation; if those crowds did not merit railroad service, why would a convention center? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 11 23:41:58 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by J trainloco on Fri May 11 14:28:54 2012. That's now:If push comes to shove and Genting is told the subway improvements are necessary as part of a convention center build, then I suspect that view would change and such would be considered part of the cost of building the convention center (of course, I'd be willing to help pay for it anyway if I ran the casino because I know I would benefit greatly from it in multiple ways). The fact that this is even a possibility AT ALL is something I never thought would happen. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 12 02:30:36 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 10 21:56:58 2012. And to those who bring up the Aqueduct Casino and a possible convention center, remember, that when the ROW was discontinued by the LIRR, Aqueduct was in its heyday getting between 25,000 and 50,000 attendance each dayKeep voting for liberal politicians if you want that kind of stuff to continue, then. The rest of your post is liberal blathering. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat May 12 06:10:59 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri May 11 21:34:01 2012. Wouldn't people going to a convention get there on chartered buses? That is how most of them get to the Javits Center now. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 12 09:32:04 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by merrick1 on Sat May 12 06:10:59 2012. "Wouldn't people going to a convention get there on chartered buses? That is how most of them get to the Javits Center now."But the Javits Center has no rail service now. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat May 12 09:56:56 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 12 09:32:04 2012. According to Google Maps the Javits Center is 0.7 mile from Penn Station.I used to live 0.6 mile from from Ditmars Blvd. Station. I thought my neighborhood had subway service. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 12 10:32:58 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by merrick1 on Sat May 12 09:56:56 2012. your neighborhood had elevated service,not subway service.subways be underground,EL`S be above ground. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 12 12:28:44 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 10 21:56:58 2012. bullshit.THIS is not an argument in case you cant tell the difference. its a discussion over pro's and con's..real needs and preconceived needs. there is a greater populace in Queens TODAY in comparison to yesterdays.. Also...its outright insulting to make such a ridiculous claim,or statement seeing that it is Queens politicians..and the MTA ITSELF behind the scenes pushing for this project's green light. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 12 14:42:37 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 10 21:56:58 2012. I agree with you! Some people piss and moan about Super "A" to Aqueduct backing up regular "A" train service along Fulton Street. And that is only one express. What's gonna happen if you try to hook up service on Queens Blvd with 2 expresses and 2 locals? This thread is becoming the new "76th Street"!!! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 12 17:08:52 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by merrick1 on Sat May 12 09:56:56 2012. Walking from NYPS to Javits simply isn't done. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 12 17:33:55 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 12 10:32:58 2012. Not in name. There's no such system called the "New York City Subway/Elevated Railroad System" . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 12 20:56:15 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Joe V on Sat May 12 17:08:52 2012. . . . by whom? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 12 21:18:41 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 12 10:32:58 2012. Not true. It's all considered "The Subway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 12 21:30:54 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by randyo on Fri May 11 16:18:23 2012. That was in the 60's, and that ROW may very well have been owned by the city. Doesn't mean they all are, in fact, in the ones being discussed, The MTA is the owner of record, not the City of New York. The own the ROW, are not a tenant. North of Liberty Junction however, the City of NY does indeed own the ROW, but not south. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 12 21:37:11 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 12 17:33:55 2012. you all took the bait,posted in jest. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 12 21:48:51 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 11 23:41:58 2012. Why in the world would they pay for reactivation of the Rockaway Line. I can totally understand if they want to rehab the station, but resurrect a long abandoned rail line? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 12 22:02:02 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 12 21:48:51 2012. Right now, I'll be happy if they finish the SAS to 125/Lex! I probably won't live long enough to see it go south to Hanover Square, or wherever! So do you say we finish the real subway routes, before we tackle the fantasy ones, like this Rockaway Beach one! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 12 22:06:41 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by tunnelrat on Sat May 12 21:37:11 2012. That's what they all say . . . |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 12 23:49:45 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 12 21:30:54 2012. It doesn't matter How many times you say it to convince yourself or anyone who reading the crap you shillin. the truth will remain the same.The MTA doesnt own crap..The "CNY" OWNS THE NYCTA..LOCK STOCK AND BARREL. The MTA is a STATE authorized "Authority", created to operate under contract our subways,railroads,buses,some bridges and tunnels. The NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT AUTHORITY Subways,AND ITS RIGHT OF WAYS are owned by the CITY OF NEW YORK..LEASED to the MTA[FORMERLY THE MCTA] IN 1968 UNDER CONTRACT[really a hostile take over] |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun May 13 00:20:12 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 3 18:30:43 2012. Yep. I've always wished for a subway line under Hempstead Turnpike. Already has three bus routes traversing it, pretty good service for a suburban arterial. A purelyp local subway service; Hempstead to Route 110 and Conklin Street. Straight up low down fantasy. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun May 13 00:55:44 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 3 10:56:56 2012. My god, you haven't changed at all. "...dealing with the train"? You think driving from Route 112 to Queens Plaza or even Jamaica is less of an ordeal than driving to Ronkonkoma or Patchogue or Babylon and riding the train into Manhattan? Idk man, try one of the Babylon branch stations a little further in; Massapequa or Bellmore. Bethpage is also good.Saying "dealing with the train" though...sounds like you like 'em...in theory. But maybe, actually riding the damn things, with the lovely proletariat afoot dont intetest you. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 13 06:43:53 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by ntrainride on Sun May 13 00:55:44 2012. Saying "dealing with the train" though...sounds like you like 'em...in theory. But maybe, actually riding the damn things, with the lovely proletariat afoot dont intetest you.That's right, it doesn't interest me to bother with it, and that's my opinion. I much rather drive. I don't take the train unless I absolutely have to (like if I had to go rush house when the roads are a mess). Otherwise, for Manhattan, I much rather drive to a subway station in Brooklyn and Queens and take the subway in (or on weekend or evenings, just drive right into Manhattan). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 13 06:46:02 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Edwards! on Sat May 12 23:49:45 2012. If they are a tenant, they would NOT be listed on the owner of record. Tenants are NOT listed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 13 06:47:30 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 12 22:02:02 2012. It's amazing that railfans actually think that a private company will reopen a long lost rail line out of the goodness of their heart to serve the community in between when there already is subway access there. It's lunacy to think that. I'd love to see it reopen as much as anyone, but it's not happening by a private entity, let's get real here. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 13 13:55:25 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri May 4 01:11:46 2012. I was thinking more of its proximity to the East River and its view of Manhattan! It's the next Williamsburg! |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 13:55:46 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Joe V on Sat May 12 17:08:52 2012. Sure it is. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 13 16:22:02 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 13 06:47:30 2012. Get real- here? No way! Just take a look at the length of this thread. It rivals the ones about 76th Street!!! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 17:20:58 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by J trainloco on Fri May 11 14:28:54 2012. That was back in February. They could have since changed their mind or perhaps be coerced into changing it. If the City wants it done it will be done. Look how Bloomberg got the 7 extended despite the MTA's objections.You can't compare this to building a new subway line like Second Avenue. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun May 13 21:22:17 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 17:20:58 2012. Right!And quite honestly, if I'm running the Casino at Aqueduct, I WANT the extension done AND would be willing to pay for it because I know it would be an option for those in parts of Queens who then would be able to have in many cases at worst a two-seat ride without having to go through Manhattan and Brooklyn, not to mention of course those coming from midtown and even lower Manhattan who don't want to have to ride through Brooklyn to get to the casino (and this is not even with the Convention Center, which is the real lynchpin to getting this done anyway). |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun May 13 21:55:54 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 13 06:43:53 2012. Yesterday, I had to drive into Manhattan to pick up a package and a defective unit, too much to take on the subway in one trip. I figured Saturday would be relatively easy. I was wrong. I was able to complete my mission, but "dealing with" Manhattan in a car is a huge pain. One can hardly drive in Manhattan today without breaking some sort of law, either of necessity or of frustration or impatience. Just getting into or out of Manattan without a ticket is an accomplishment. The LIRR has its problems, to be sure, but usually it is by far the most efficient way to get into or out of Manhattan, especially if one is within any sort of walking distance of Penn Station. Walking to Houston Street from Penn Station, even with a heavy bag, is far less stressful than trying to drive in Manhattan.The only time I don't mind driving through Manhattan is really early on Sunday morning when I often take the Williamsburg Bridge to the Holland Tunnel, but even at that I wouldn't consider returning via the same route. BY late Sunday morning, it is already too much of a mess. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun May 13 22:10:46 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun May 13 21:55:54 2012. I drive in Manhattan a lot, usually downtown. You need a lot of time and patience but I'd rather drive and make my own schedule than be beholden to a train schedule, especially if I need to take the subway to the LIRR. When I used to work on William between Fulton and John, I used to ride the #2 or the #3 from Fulton to Flatbush Avenue. I'd leave my office at 6:25 pm for a 6:59 train to Far Rockaway. Thanks to various subway delays, et al, I often would make my train with only minutes to spare, which is crazy when you think about it - 1/2 hour from lower Manhattan to downtown Brooklyn? And the next Far Rock train from Flatbush was at 7:54 pm. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 13 22:26:22 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 12 21:48:51 2012. When you put it that way:I can see them reactivating it without bothering with intermediate stations... basically, extend the Rock Park shuttle to a new Rego Park hybrid LIRR/NYCT station at Rego Park on the LIRR ROW (no transfer to IND). This would allow Penn station (or Grand Central for that matter) ->Rego Park in 14 minutes, then another 15 minutes to Aqueduct. They probably wouldn't even need two tracks for most of the line. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon May 14 00:49:57 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun May 13 21:55:54 2012. From a previous message: "Walking to Houston Street from Penn Station, even with a heavy bag, is far less stressful than trying to drive in Manhattan."Would it not be easier to take a subway or bus to Houston Street TO or FROM Penn Station? Just wondering. Mike |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 07:59:16 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Mitch45 on Sun May 13 22:10:46 2012. That's EXACTLY how I feel. I hate being at the mercy of the train schedule. I always drive to Manhattan, well almost always. Occasionally I will drive to Brooklyn or QUeens and park at a subway station there and then take the subway in for the last leg of my trip, but that's when I know I will be going at a time when it will be hard to park in Manhattan.The only time I would relent and take the LIRR in is if I had to go at rush hour for some reason, and the roads would be a mess, or if I was planning to drink a lot there, which isn't all that often either. There have been times where I had to be somewhere in Manhattan at 9 or 10, and knew that driving in to get there at that time would be a mess at rush hour, so actually left suffolk BEFORE rush hour to drive in, and just get there early, so that again, I wouldn't be at the mercy of the train schedule when it was time to leave. I can't do the train anymore, I did my time, and really have no desire to do it anymore. It's usually faster to drive, even having to deal with traffic. If you count in travel time, as WELL as wasted time waiting for the train to leave Penn Station, I just have no desire to do it anymore. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 08:04:45 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun May 13 21:55:54 2012. I really have no problem driving in Manhattan. Yes, it's different than outside Manhattan, but I am used to it.The only time it's a problem is if you "show you are weak", the cab drivers will just take over. They don't "want" to hit you, so you just can't show you are weak and let them pull in front of you. It's like trying to leave the parking lot at let's say Jones Beach Theater after a concert.....you show you are weak, and they will never let you out, haha. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon May 14 08:32:07 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun May 13 21:55:54 2012. I can't be bothered to drive in Manhattan. It's not driving to me but simply dragging my vehicle along.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 13:06:48 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 13 17:20:58 2012. No one is comparing it to SAS, or saying that it won't get done. What I am saying is that the notion that somehow this casino operator is going to shell out major cash to get this done is a flawed notion. At that expense, Genting would probably begin to realize that it would be more cost effective to operate a luxury bus service from whatever district they want to access (wall st, Penn station, LGA, etc).If it's getting done, it's going to get built with public monies. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 13:12:17 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 08:04:45 2012. Driving in Manhattan, even on weekends, is often unpleasant. In my dream world, I would have a car parked somewhere near a PATH station in New Jersey, and when i'm going out of town for a short trip, I would take the train to my car.I made the mistake of driving to. Nets game in Newark one Sunday afternoon. I would never do that again (although not that I could!) |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 14 13:37:28 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 13 22:26:22 2012. That would probably negate the whole purpose of reactivating the line in the first place. One of the ideas behind such a reactivation is to allow residents from more parts of Queens access the casino and convention center not to mention the shopping centers along Qns Blvd. Additionally, the NIMBYs along the ROW would be even angrier if they had to put up with trains running through their back yards and not being able to ride them. With the stations also reactivated or possible even new ones built where there were no stations before the NIMBYs who complained would at least have access to rapid transit that they didn't have before which might make them more willing to accept the presence of the line. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 13:54:05 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 13:06:48 2012. Exactly. As I said, the whole idea that a private enterprise is going to fund reactivation of this line is fantasy at best. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 14 14:24:00 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 13:54:05 2012. There must have been some inference about it though that caused it to be a topic for discussion. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 14:35:55 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 13:06:48 2012. Maybe not you, but it has been compared to the Second Avenue subway. People stated how can we afford this if we can't even complete the SAS . You can put the Rockaway line in operation for about what it costs to build three quarters of a mile of SAS.As for your other comment regarding luxury bus service, that would be true if all they want to access is one or two neighborhoods and not a good portion of the city. It would have to be a combination of public and private monies. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 14:39:53 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by randyo on Mon May 14 14:24:00 2012. Genting said they would pay for a premium train service a la JFK express. They've also said they would pay for station improvements. So it sounds to me that they might pay something around $1M annually and a one time expenditure of a couple million more. That is a far cry from saying that they would plunk down tens of millions on reactivating a Rockaway Beach ROW that would provide the type of local service they're trying to get rid of on Fulton St. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 15:17:22 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 14:35:55 2012. Maybe not you,but it has been compared to the Second Avenue subway. People stated how can we afford this if we can't even complete the SAS . You can put the Rockaway line in operation for about what it costs to build three quarters of a mile of SAS.I definitely agree with you on that point. I agree that all of our underutilized ROWs (and that includes some ROWs which are currently in operation but not used as much as they could be) should be put to work, because that would be the most cost effective means of expanding our mass transit network, even in areas where development isn't all that dense yet. As for your other comment regarding luxury bus service,that would be true if all they want to access is one or two neighborhoods and not a good portion of the city. It would have to be a combination of public and private monies. But I think that is what they're shooting for. As I stated in my other post, this issue first came up when Genting proposed paying for a limited stop A train. It seems they're trying to find a way to attract Manhattan customers, not provide expanded service to local neighborhoods, who would probably take a car and park in the parking lots they will provide. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 14 18:32:56 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 13:06:48 2012. right..they wont put in for this since there wont really be a return...Strictly speaking..a "for profit" company would be hard pressed to shell out any major cash in support of a public venue. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 14 20:10:59 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by randyo on Mon May 14 13:37:28 2012. I was going along with Chris's "why would a private company care". I hate to say it but, serving Queens residents is secondary as far as the Convention Center plans are concerned. They want people from Manhattan Hotels to be able to get there quickly and easily. If some Queens residents happen to benefit from it, well, that would be nice. There aren't too many "hotel clusters" in Queens with subway access... actually, I can't think of *any*.As far as NIMBY, I am confident that if Genting wanted it done and was fully going to pay for it, Gov. Cuomo would be able to make them go away. He's gotten things pushed through that are far more unpopular than pissing off a handful of middle class queens residents. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 14 20:19:14 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 14 20:10:59 2012. as to Queens stations, I read recently that several national chains are planning new motels adjacent the Jamaica E,J,LIRR,AirTrain hub. presumably they might house persons going to the Genting facility too. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 14 22:08:14 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Michael549 on Mon May 14 00:49:57 2012. "Would it not be easier to take a subway or bus to Houston Street TO or FROM Penn Station?"I often walk it for the exercise, and I save subway fare besides. Use it or lose it. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 14 22:09:16 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Fred G on Mon May 14 08:32:07 2012. "It's not driving to me but simply dragging my vehicle along."Exactly-- the car is just excess baggage. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 14 22:10:14 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 14 22:08:14 2012. Fastest way for me between GCT and NYP or NYP and PATH has always been the sidewalk. :) |
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