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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 13:43:09 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 11 13:36:37 2011. That's a crock. Juries can do whatever they want. A judge can overturn a jury verdict, but none of them are going to be criminally charged with anything, |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Jul 11 13:50:09 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 13:43:09 2011. AFAIK a judge cannot overturn a "Not Guilty" verdict |
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Posted by South FERRY on Mon Jul 11 13:50:39 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 09:22:59 2011. So she's Guilty of "presenting false information to authorities"..... doesn't that translate into "lying to cover up for guilt"??? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 13:59:11 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by BMTLines on Mon Jul 11 13:50:09 2011. Yes, he can "set aside" a guilty verdict. He also has the discretion of ordering a new trial or giving a not guilty verdict right then and there. That's about the only thing that could have happened had the jury found Casey Anthony guilty. It would likely have never happened, as judges are loathed to do such a thing unless there was some compelling reason, for which there was none here. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 11 14:03:39 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 13:43:09 2011. It's not a crock. They did what they are supposed to do. I don't agree with the vedict either, but they can NOT just do whatever they want. Obviously they can't be "criminally charged" if they don't do what they are supposed to do based on the guidelines they are given, but that doesn't mean they can "do whatever they want". They ARE supposed to be impartial, and act on JUST what is presented to them in the trial. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jul 11 15:45:44 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 11 13:06:54 2011. Because he subscribes to a "mob mentality". ;-) |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jul 11 15:50:44 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by South FERRY on Mon Jul 11 13:50:39 2011. Let's just presume for one moment that she didn't murder her daughter, and that instead the death was some sort of tragic accident. One then has a picture of a very distressed mother who goes into denial about it, lies to her family as well as the police, and ends up getting carried away with her own lies. In that case it wouldn't be criminal guilt for murder, but rather a feeling of guilt and a lot of irrational behavior based upon it.But that is of course just presuming. I don't think any of us will ever know what really happened. And I do believe that the not guilty verdict is a victory for Florida taxpayers, as they won't have to fund incarcerating (or putting to death) a woman who is unlikely to pose a danger to anyone other than herself. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 11 15:59:46 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 09:22:59 2011. The authorities can destroy her co-workers under jury intimidation statutes. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 11 16:02:37 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 11 14:03:39 2011. Good post. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 11 16:09:32 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jul 11 15:50:44 2011. IAWTP ! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 11 17:11:42 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 11 13:06:54 2011. Because the standard of proof for personal opinions is lower than for the state, whose opinion actually matters. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 11 18:44:48 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 11 12:57:54 2011. Too much Nancy Grace.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jul 11 18:59:49 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 11 17:11:42 2011. I agree with the post. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jul 11 19:01:20 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 11 15:59:46 2011. After the fact?? I don't believe the statutes cover after the fact. Anyway, I don't believe much what I read in British tabloids. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 11 19:05:37 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jul 11 19:01:20 2011. I would imagine they would have to.It's only after the decision that anybody can realistically harm a juror for reaching the "wrong decision". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 11 23:01:26 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jul 11 15:50:44 2011. Good post, as much as I disagree with verdict, you are absolutely correct. |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Jul 11 23:07:07 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 11 12:45:47 2011. I agree.Also, when you are the ones with the power to convict someone of something so heinous, you really have to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that that person is guilty. While in my heart I believe that Casey Anthony is guilty, there was enough conflicting evidence which might have made me think twice if I was on that jury. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Jul 11 23:35:00 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by South FERRY on Mon Jul 11 13:50:39 2011. What other choice did she have in order to preserve her fifth amendment right against self incrimination. This just proves that people should NEVER talk to police under any circumstances - let your lawyer do the talking from the minute a cop says "excuse me can I talk to you..." |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 11 23:53:23 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony verdict is in, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 5 21:28:11 2011. here we go with OJ again ........ whew |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 11 23:54:01 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 11 17:11:42 2011. Yes, and in the case of his personal opinion, much much much much much lower. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 11 23:54:09 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 11 13:06:54 2011. bump |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Tue Jul 12 01:06:37 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 11 23:54:09 2011. I guess you're right (and I'm not being sarcastic. I'm serious). As I said in this thread, I want to learn from you. Had I listened to you, I wouldn't have made so many mistakes in life. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 12 08:24:22 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 09:22:59 2011. How interesting that the howling mob--the very thing our justice system is supposed to protect us from--is speaking out so loudly now that the verdict is in. Everyone seems to have forgotten that Anthony had her day in court, and we as a society agree to accept the verdicts of our courts. We don't have to like or agree with them, but we do have to accept them...When the judge formally charges the jury before deliberation, he or she reminds them that they must judge the case on the facts presented, and on "the law as I (the judge) give it to you". That's it and that's all. But the howling mob wants to disregard that... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 08:40:51 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 11 19:05:37 2011. It's not "jury intimidation" once the jury already rendered their decision and the verdict is out. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 11:37:55 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 11 14:03:39 2011. They sure can do whatever they want. They chose the easy path, the one which would allow them to go home as soon as possible. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 12 11:44:46 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 11:37:55 2011. Juries are charged by the judge to consider the case on the "law as [the judge] gives it to them", and only those facts that were presented at trial. You'd be surprised what juries do NOT get to see or hear at trial because one side or the other has had it excluded. I don't think this jury just wanted to "go home as soon as possibe", I think they concluded very quickly, within the parameters the judge gave them, that the DA didn't satisfy what Florida's first-degree murder law provided. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 11:45:47 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 12 11:44:46 2011. Exactly. I don't understand that that FACT is so hard for some people to understand. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 11:58:25 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 12 11:44:46 2011. For the LAST time: Juries can do whatever they want. If they choose to convict someone without the proper evidence, the judge has the option of setting the jury verdict aside. There was absolutely nothing legally binding that prevented this jury from voting not guilty. There was compelling circumstantial evidence for conviction. I think we had one too many Law & Order or CSI viewers on the jury who thought you HAD to have physical evidence to convict. The idiot who kept complaining that the prosecution could never explain how Caylee actually died is a perfect example. You don't need to know that to convict! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 12:06:40 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 11:58:25 2011. For the LAST time: Juries can do whatever they want. If they choose to convict someone without the proper evidenceAnd for the LAST time, they OPERATED CORRECTLY, as they DID NOT have the proper evidence. Why do you keep insisting that they can "choose" to do something they aren't supposed to do, and criticize them when they actually DID NOT do something they weren't supposed to do. There was compelling circumstantial evidence for conviction. But you can if that shadow of doubt is cast over it, they DID what they had to do. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 12:06:59 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 11:58:25 2011. For the LAST time: Juries can do whatever they want. If they choose to convict someone without the proper evidenceAnd for the LAST time, they OPERATED CORRECTLY, as they DID NOT have the proper evidence. Why do you keep insisting that they can "choose" to do something they aren't supposed to do, and criticize them when they actually DID NOT do something they weren't supposed to do. There was compelling circumstantial evidence for conviction. But you can't if that shadow of doubt is cast over it, they DID what they had to do. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 12 12:13:54 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 12:06:59 2011. True, circumstantial evidence isn't enough to go "beyond the shadow of a doubt". Not if you really ask the right questions anyway.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 12 12:15:37 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 11:58:25 2011. Circumstantial evidence can convict people, if there is enough of it, but direct physical evidence linking killer to victim, presented by the DA in a clear, concise manner, is a reasonable expectation of most juries today. That's not "CSI", that's ordinary prudence. If you're going to send a person to jail for the rest of their lives (or, in fact, to their grave), wouldn't YOU want to be as certain as humanly possible that you are convicting the right person?And, again, NO, juries CANNOT just "do whatever they want". They MUST judge the case based ONLY on the facts given at trial, and the law as the judge charges it. That's it, and that's all. If the verdict is "jury nullification", it's within those two parameters I just described. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jul 12 12:15:47 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 11:58:25 2011. >>>>For the LAST time:<<<<Promise? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 12 12:16:15 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 11 13:36:37 2011. The evidence, however, pointed to at least manslaughter. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 12:19:06 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 12 12:13:54 2011. The jury is only allowed to use information ON THE RECORD, presented to them in the trial. There are plenty of details that were "stricken" from the record, or said OUTSIDE the courtroom. The jurors are NOT allowed to use that information.Again, I do NOT agree with the verdict, but I also do see that the jury unfortunately had to do what they are instructed to do, and they did that. For people to be criticizing BECAUSE they did the right thing, and saying "they could do whatever they want", even though they DID the right thing as they are instructed to do, is beyond me. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 12:19:07 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 12 12:13:54 2011. The jury is only allowed to use information ON THE RECORD, presented to them in the trial. There are plenty of details that were "stricken" from the record, or said OUTSIDE the courtroom. The jurors are NOT allowed to use that information.Again, I do NOT agree with the verdict, but I also do see that the jury unfortunately had to do what they are instructed to do, and they did that. For people to be criticizing BECAUSE they did the right thing, and saying "they could do whatever they want", even though they DID the right thing as they are instructed to do, is beyond me. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 12:20:49 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 12 12:15:37 2011. You are entirely correct, no matter how bad this decision SUCKS, they jury DID the right thing and what they are SUPPOSED to do. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 12 12:21:44 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 12:19:06 2011. That's because Nancy Grace had everyone convinced it was a slam dunk, looks like.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 12:23:21 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 12 12:16:15 2011. We would have to see the information shown in the case. I tend to agree with you, however, we are not privy to the facts that were presented in the trial. I would expect that manslaughter was easier to prove than murder, but again, is it within that shadow of a doubt? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 12:25:24 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 12 12:21:44 2011. I never watch Nancy Grace, so don't know. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 12:35:02 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 12 12:15:37 2011. LOL |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 12:35:57 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 12 12:13:54 2011. But it CAN be used to convict. Many times people have been convicted of murder without physical evidence. There was ample circumstantial evidence here to convict had they wanted to do their jobs instead of wanting to go home. The defense attorney pretty much based his defense on this premise: there's no physical evidence, so it would be EASY to acquit....hint hint nudge nudge. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 12:38:14 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 12 12:15:37 2011. Wrong. There was once a time when the science that provided physical evidence didn't exist. Not every trial is nice and neat, with direct physical evidence, or a confession, or an unimpeachable eyewitness.This jury had what it needed to convict had it wanted to do so. The judge would have never set aside a guilty verdict. They chose to acquit, they were not forced to by rule. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 12 12:38:50 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 12 12:25:24 2011. Nor I but I've been reading about her.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 12 12:39:54 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 12:38:14 2011. You really don't know that for certain. You can't unless you were on the jury or a fly on the wall.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 12:43:21 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 12 12:39:54 2011. Pfft. This isn't rocket science. They all wanted the same thing: to go home. If "12 Angry Men" were to happen today, that kid would have been convicted. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 12 12:44:12 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 12:35:57 2011. I disagree; had there been ample evidence they likely would have voted guilty. Something raised doubts and hence the verdict we see today.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 12 12:48:14 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 12 12:38:14 2011. This jury had what it needed to convict had it wanted to do so.You didn't even know where the crime and trial took place. Not you have more expertise on the matter than the jurors? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 12 12:49:18 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 12:35:02 2011. Have you ever served on a jury in a criminal case, Luch? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 12 12:53:04 2011, in response to Re: Casey Anthony juror quits job and flees town, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 12 12:49:18 2011. LOL. |
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