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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 16:57:28 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by TonyG on Sat Jun 25 19:46:18 2011. But probably the only one they could agree on, since after all, it does not cost anything, and will bring in some extra $ at the license counter. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 16:58:54 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 16:57:28 2011. The more and more I think about it, the more and more I'm happy that they did this.Although NY is not a state I plan to live in (taxes are too high, cost of living is too high). If NY does something, it sets a precedent. Ultimately, this is going to end up in the Supreme Court and gay marriage is going to become legal nationwide. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 16:59:07 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 26 01:19:03 2011. Actually, It's a FRUIT. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 17:01:01 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 26 00:49:18 2011. They are also issues that are decisive, And the left is always happy with something that divides the people so that THEY can claim to be the voice of unity. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:11:38 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill was signed at 11:55 pm by Governor Cuomo, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 16:55:29 2011. And I'm sure all 79 of the crimes involved tipping. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:12:48 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 16:58:54 2011. Shows what happens when the false flag of DOMA is waved by partisans. Had they just kept it quiet, there wouldn't have been the need for a "phuck you" response over it. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 17:12:58 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 26 01:20:51 2011. Ahem... Marriage *is* a sacrament, and one of the few sacraments that all Christian churches lay claim to.Marriage is much more than two people saying that they are in love, or entering into a life-contract. Marriage is the founding of a new family in the house of God. But I must tell you that the Catholic Church recognizes all sorts of marriage even though they only perform Catholic marriages. After all the Church recognizes that people are Validly married in the Episcopal Church, the Lutheran Church, the Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church, the Baptist Church, and any other Church, Temple, Synagogue or Mosque that one may be married in. The Church also recognizes the validity of civil marriages (thus their opposition to this law). LION suggests let others do as they will and the Church will do as it wants. There is a separation of church and state in this land and that is a good thing, although the issues involved are much deeper than most imagine. It is also true that homosexuality is NOT SINFUL. A sin is an INTENTIONAL action against God. Homosexuality is not an intentional situation and so cannot be sinful. Sexual activity can be sinful but homosexuals really do not have a corner on that market. But then the church is in the business of forgiving sins and reconciling people, and it recognized 1900 years ago that it would be forgiving the same sins for the same people over and over again. So you can admit that you are a recovering sinner or else the Hell with you. 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:13:22 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 16:59:07 2011. Our dear leaders say it's a VEGETABLE and therefore, ipso facto. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:13:58 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 17:01:01 2011. And if the other side didn't play it so well, there wouldn't be a product to sell. :) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 17:15:26 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 01:28:26 2011. LION agrees. Him thinks that abortion should be off the table.But then, nobody elected him pope.
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Posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 17:15:32 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 17:12:58 2011. I can guarantee that almost everyone I know has engaged in pre-marital sex and/or sex for pleasure as opposed to for procreation. It's just the natural course of life. Therefore, everyone (or almost everyone) is a sinner in the eyes of God. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 17:16:53 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:12:48 2011. Within 10 years, SCOTUS will end up finding gay marriage legal nationwide. I even think that a few of the conservative members of the court will rule in favor of it. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 17:19:49 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Jun 26 02:01:28 2011. Projection.No straight person has any idea what a gay man might do. If they do have some idea then they got it from somewhere. roar |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:22:35 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 17:16:53 2011. It's sad that such recognition is required legally in the first place. After all, this whole movement is the result of legally-permitted discrimination against people who love each other and want to stay with each other for life - hospital visitation, joint possession of property and such. That's really what was behind all of this to begin with ... It's not like you HAVE to be married to love someone. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 17:23:47 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:13:22 2011. Our dear leader aside, it is the fruiting body of the plant. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 17:24:59 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:22:35 2011. Personally, I don't want to get married and the only thing that will cause me to get married would be if me and my unknown future heterosexual life partner decide to have kids someday. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:28:00 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 17:23:47 2011. Brother dewd ... you're talking to a farmer type who is typing at you at this very moment having to stand tall just to see over the field. :)Fresh country scent ... made fresh daily! But three cheers for our senators ... they think that stuff comes in a can and smells like lilacs. Heh. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 17:29:50 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 17:15:32 2011. And yet, though logical, that is NOT so. Isn't that wonderful.Sinful man sitting at the table with the Lord. That is true mercy and is a sign of the true God. God created all of us, and there is so much good in each of us. Suppose you are a parent, and your kid goes astray, do you not welcome him back to your table, wipe away the tears, mend the sins.... All of that and more! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:29:51 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 17:24:59 2011. Or the in-laws find out ... heh. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 17:32:36 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:29:51 2011. Lol. Actually, I'm fairly close with my parents and it would bug them to no end if I didn't get married. But again, I don't really see the point. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 26 17:46:37 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 17:32:36 2011. Not to worry, guy ... you're showing signs of mental health in the wrong place. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 26 21:57:27 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 26 17:12:58 2011. Ahem... Marriage *is* a sacrament, and one of the few sacraments that all Christian churches lay claim to.Marriage is much more than two people saying that they are in love, or entering into a life-contract. Marriage is the founding of a new family in the house of God. To you. Government has nothing to do with religion though. You can consecrate marriages in the church, but that doesn't mean that a 100% secular union is not a MARRIAGE. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 26 22:00:35 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 26 21:57:27 2011. That's what it was originally intended to be though wasn't it? Government recognition of a religious ceremony. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 22:07:00 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 26 22:00:35 2011. Which is why in my ideal world, Churches would have "marriage" and the government would have "civil union" which wouldn't require it to be between "one man" and "one woman". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 26 22:16:02 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by ntrainride on Sun Jun 26 09:54:07 2011. F you asshole. I LIVE in an area that you would consider that I "reason or two whay I consider them so", so why don YOU stfu, as you so eloquently put it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 22:25:32 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by ntrainride on Sun Jun 26 16:09:15 2011. dude, i,m done with this. my sweet little brazilian namorada needs some afternoon delight. have fun, weirdo.Give him my regards 
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Posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 22:26:49 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Scorpio7 on Sun Jun 26 16:24:59 2011. Exactly. If you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you're not gay, welll....you probably are. To quite Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrong with it." |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 22:28:46 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 11:40:33 2011. How about this benefit:1. Increase in the liberty and happiness of the individuals involved with no adverse side-effects to anyone else. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 22:31:13 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 22:28:46 2011. I'll give you that. Again, I am happy that this passed. My initial comment only was that I didn't believe it was necessarily the most pressing issue that the legislature should be focusing on, but hey. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 22:38:28 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by ntrainride on Sun Jun 26 09:37:18 2011. geeze. you two guys keep repeating the same nonsense. trust me, holmes, most straight guys feel the same way. they just don't want to emote what they feel, political correctness and all that jazz, no doubt.I used to talk like you when I was 13-14 years old when just like most 13-14 year old, the concept of full sexual relations had not yet personally materialized and brought anxiety even though I knew i was straight since I was 8 years old. Once it did and I became secure in my own sexual manhood, I stopped caring about what others do in their sex lives except to be happy when other good people are happy, including homosexuals. You OTOH seem to envy them. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 22:41:48 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by ntrainride on Sun Jun 26 09:54:07 2011. He talks about bad areas because bad areas really exist just like bad people really exist.YOu OTOH throw a whole class of people into the "bad" category based solely on things that are none of your business and harm nobody. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 22:47:24 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 22:31:13 2011. So am I.I had to get used to the idea of same-sex marriage myself. I was for civil unions instead. After seeing that nothing happened in places where it was declared marriage including places like Spain, Argentina, etc, I revisited my position and believe in full marriage rights. I can find no reason why I should deny the official sanctioning of the love and commitment of two adult individuals and am glad that it passed by Legislature since I don't believe that there is a federal constitutional right to it. |
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Posted by piyer on Sun Jun 26 23:28:14 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by ntrainride on Sun Jun 26 08:50:57 2011. Ntrainride,I do not believe that there is a simple, single, one-answer-explains-all response for what drives the LGBT community to push for same-sex marriage. In the strictest, legal sense of the term, the marriages are equivalent: a marriage license grants the couple, regardless of gender, the same benefits, privileges, and protections (at least on the State level. The Federal level and the Defense of Marriage Act is a whole other kettle of fish). On the emotional level: the force behind an individual person to fight for the right to marry... On that level, I am going to agree with you, to a degree, and say that same-sex marriage and opposite-sex marriage are not entirely equivalent. Being the "traditional" form of marriage, opposite-sex couples sometimes (not always, or all) take it for granted that they can get married at will. They can run off to Vegas and have an Elvis do the service. They can sign onto a reality TV show and compete for the chance to marry a millionaire. They can marry, divorce, marry, divorce, ad nauseum without anyone stopping them. Some people are more attached to their favorite sports team (or model of subway car) than they are to their current spouse. To be sure, there are couples who are in for the long-haul, but the rising divorce rate speaks loudly for itself. For same-sex marriages, let us use 2001 as our starting date. That was the year that the Netherlands enacted the first nation-wide same-sex marriage legislation. The number of jurisdictions where it has been legalized has expanded slowly since then, and as of last year (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/07/gay-marriage-chart-of-day.html) about 250 million people -- or less than 5% of the Earth's population (regardless of sexual preference) -- live in areas where it is legal. You don't need to be a mathematician to realize that translates into a tiny percentage of the non-heterosexual population living in those areas. With that as the basis, a same-sex couple wishing to have a legal, civil marriage -- the kind that opposite-sex couples (might) take for granted -- either have pickup roots and move to one of the states or nations where such marriages are available, or they have to dig in their heels and fight for the right to marry in the location where they live (presuming they aren't fortunate enough to already be living in a place where it is available). It is not my intention to... to cheapen, or suggest as such, the value of the marriages those of you reading this have, but to suggest that the struggle to get the right to marry in the first place instills a element of value to marriage for same-sex couples that opposite-sex couples probably don't have by virtue of not having had to overcome such a barrier to marriage. If you will... you can complain about your apartment being cold in winter, but you don't know what being cold really is until you've slept on a doorstep during a blizzard. Again, this is not to diminish what you have, but rather to suggest that there are certain aspects to this issue that one cannot fully comprehend unless one has actually lived the experience. As for what drives an individual someone to want to live the experience... again, no real one-answer-fits-all. What drives anyone to want to get married? Love mixed with moderate insanity, and touch of indigestion thrown in for good measure, I should imagine. Love, definitely, for it has the power to make us want to be better versions of ourselves (at least it does for me). Insanity, absolutely, because it makes us believe that we can successfully do the impossible, come Hell or high blood pressure. As for the indigestion... I'm sure most of us have had that endearing 'I made it myself' moment at least once. And so, my point, Ntrainride, is that we are all subject to human nature, regardless of whom we choose to love. The marriages, though legally identical, are in reality not necessarily equivalent because their intrinsic value is rooted not in law but in the hearts of those entering into the marriages. Commitment, and not a slip of paper, is what makes a marriage. If two people are so committed to one another, willing to weather the tempests life will throw at them without tossing in the towel at the first sign of a storm cloud, then it shouldn't matter what their genders are. I do not expect that I will change anyone's mind on the subject of same-sex marriage. The best I am hoping for an understanding that one does not have to agree with someone else's beliefs to acknowledge the validity of their right to have a differing view point from your own point. Respectfully, ~Alan |
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Posted by piyer on Sun Jun 26 23:42:49 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 22:47:24 2011. SMAZ,Civil unions pose an interesting conundrum for the politicians who support them. They are supposed to convey the same State-level rights as marriage only without the term "marriage." So, if they are the same, why do we need two different terms -- separate but equal has never worked out in the past, so why keep trying? They rarely have a good answer for that one. But the best way to get them to go speechless is to ask them for a show of good faith and dissolve their "traditional marriage" and replace it with a civil union. I have yet to hear of one willing to go that far in support of civil unions. :o) ~Alan |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 23:58:35 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 16:58:54 2011. (taxes are too high,That's a lie. cost of living is too high). The cost of living in the US is higher than in Bangladesh. There is a reason for that. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 23:59:51 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 17:16:53 2011. The would be no legal basis for such a ruling. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 27 03:54:48 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by TonyG on Sun Jun 26 22:07:00 2011. Your ideal world is based on a historical LIE. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 27 04:02:55 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 26 22:00:35 2011. Nope.You know what are religious ceremonies? Birth and death. There are baptisms for infants and funerals with clergy and prayer. Marriage is the same, it's a civil function that was performed by churches until the rise of secular government. Just as now proof of birth is primarily through a birth certificate issued by the state, proof of marriage is through a marriage certificate issued by the state. If you look back at old time England, there weren't even marriage ceremonies, a couple simply became married "by habit and repute," they would pass themselves off as married and it was so. There was never a requirement in English history to have a religious marriage until the Marriage Act 1753 which required religious marriage ceremonies. Several states still allow the old form of marriage under the common law in addition to formal marriage ceremonies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 27 04:09:08 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 26 22:47:24 2011. I also believed in civil unions for all until I learned the history. I won't allow religions to formally coöpt an essentially secular institution. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 27 04:47:46 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 27 04:02:55 2011. Correct.I knew several common law married couples in Texas. It's a practice that is very foreign to most NYers but is common in some Western States. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 27 05:26:53 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by piyer on Sun Jun 26 23:42:49 2011. While i agree with your post, it's still politically short-sighted for LGBT grups to go for either marriage or nothing.Civil unions enjoy wide popular support even amongst rank-and-file Republicans. That's something that gay marriage still does not have. Not all fair-minded people have come to the conclusion that you and I have. If the possibility is there to get a civil union bill through a Legislature, it's dumb to shitcan it just because it doesn't say "marriage". Illinois recently legalized civil unions and that's great progress in the unstoppable march towards equality for all. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jun 27 08:26:04 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 27 04:02:55 2011. If it was a civil function, why was it performed by churches? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 27 08:56:20 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 27 04:02:55 2011. Looks like the sacrament of marriage in the Catholic Church dates from the Council of Trent in 1563.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_marriage So it looks like marriage as a religious sacrament might predate marriage as a civil institution, at least in Europe. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 27 09:33:14 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jun 27 08:26:04 2011. You can't have a wedding in a church or synagogue without first obtaining a marriage license from the state where you are to be married. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 27 09:38:46 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 27 09:33:14 2011. You're not following the discussion. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jun 27 17:40:01 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 27 09:38:46 2011. Sorry, Brian. Getting a marriage license from the state is in every state in the Union. Didn't you get a marriage license from the State you lived in when you got married? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 27 17:50:10 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Jun 27 17:40:01 2011. He wasn't following the discussion. And neither are you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 27 18:33:35 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 27 08:56:20 2011. Prior to 1215 "clandestine marriages" were allowed, which had witnesses who were not necessarily priests.Priests were equivalent to public officials in medieval Europe. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 27 18:35:02 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jun 27 08:26:04 2011. Because there was no separation of church and state. The church was functionally equivalent to the county or city clerk's office. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 27 18:36:02 2011, in response to Re: Same Sex Mariage Bill Passesd IN YYS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 27 17:50:10 2011. Correct. The discussion was about why marriages are performed in churches or other houses of worship in the first place. |
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