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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:56:21 2010, in response to Re: Even GAYS march in St. Pat's IN IRELAND!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:29:50 2010. IAWTP....but now lets tell OLOG-HAI to LABEL LUCHIE A RACIST!Here he comes now: 
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Mar 8 18:56:35 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 18:39:18 2010. Back in that period having a jet of air blowing up a woman's skirt was the only way some males could get to see something suggestive. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:57:05 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 8 18:51:22 2010. That's just it "freedom". It's only freedom though for people like this (and all gays are not like this) if THEY can do what they want, not if other groups can do what they want. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Mon Mar 8 18:57:23 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:54:28 2010. Leave the Irish alone! THey have a great culture which consists of a bar of soap and an annual parade. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:58:02 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:52:46 2010. That's a nice railroad station. I don't know what it has to do with the St Patricks Day parade, but nice station just the same. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:58:12 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Mar 8 17:38:29 2010. THE OLOG-HAI SAYS THE AOH IS A BUNCH OF GAY-HATERS!...YOU BETTER WATCH OUT...CAUSE THE OLOG-HAI IS WATCHIN YOU!
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:58:54 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:54:28 2010. I'm half Irish, one-quarter each Jamaican and Puerto-Rican. Dad met Mom in Queens, found her red hair irresistible. They passed away when I was three, I was adopted by a couple from Far Rock. |
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Posted by docstox on Mon Mar 8 18:59:39 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Mar 8 18:56:35 2010. Another way was to hang back in the stairway as the girls in school walked up.Back when they still wore skirts, you'd get some great panty shots that way. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 19:00:11 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:58:54 2010. They passed away when I was threeSo sorry to hear that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 19:02:21 2010, in response to Even GAYS march in St. Pat's IN IRELAND!, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 18:28:13 2010. EVEN IN THE MOTHERLAND.....IRELANDYou don't get to call Ireland "motherland", racist. St. Patrick's Day is a Catholic holiday, not an Irish one, racist. LGBTs are not a race, Mr. Mindless Racist. In this case, you may have a leg to stand on if you want to call someone on this forum a bigot, but not a racist. The latter is your department. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 19:04:56 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Mar 8 18:06:40 2010. Saints Andrew, George and David are all not Irish nor assoicated with IrelandSo what? They're all representative of patron saints of the British Isles. (Ireland is one of those isles.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 19:06:22 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:58:02 2010. Guy's a real spaz, ain't he? I like the pic of the station as well. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Mar 8 19:27:03 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 17:56:34 2010. What if they were black Irish? *g* |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Mon Mar 8 19:32:44 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:50:55 2010. Its a shame that we all seem to have gotten away of the basic meaning of the St.Patricks day parade. I, being a proud Irishman, was brought up to think that is was supposed to celebrate the Irish contribution to American society, how a proud, repressed people came here to start a new life, facing fierce discrimination along the way, and over time thrived & succeded.All this political & sexual orientation bullshit is turning what was to be a basic celebration of pride into an embarrasing farce. Poor Jack Mc Carthy would be spinning like a lathe in his grave if he knew what a spectical this has degenerated to I used to march up 5th Ave every March 17th under the County Down banner with my brother. The events of 9/11 changed all that. Now I march alone. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 19:35:32 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:48:28 2010. And the other side would shut it down for being an affront to "family values" and borderline porn. I think the real issue is that too many people are willing to accomodate crazies of both extremes rather than just telling them to STFU and drink their juice. :(I guess it's the result of not having any REAL problems to whine about. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 19:38:28 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:50:55 2010. I'm not so sure about that ... there's certainly an undertone. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 19:45:16 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by docstox on Mon Mar 8 18:59:39 2010. Not to mention "patent leather" which got the nuns in a lather. :) |
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Posted by docstox on Mon Mar 8 19:57:29 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 8 19:45:16 2010. :-) |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 20:03:26 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 18:05:06 2010. REMEMBER....MY BUDDY THE OLG-HAI IS WATCHING YOU!...IF YOU SAY ANYTHING ANTI-GAY.....THE OLOG-HAI WILL ZAP YOU DOWN!...HE DOESN'T LIKE RACISM OR ANTI-GAY SLURS....OH...AND P.S.....YOUR LEVEL OF IGORANCE IS MAKING THE CHILD ABOVE EVEN WANNA POOP MORE ON YOU...LUCHIE! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 20:06:25 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 8 18:17:42 2010. "But the difference is that straight people are not marching under a banner that says "Straight White Male Organization". Anyone can march but groups are not segregated or represented by sexual orientation one way or the other."So how do you account for the fact that other St.Pats Day parade do not bar gays from marching under their own banner? they don't bar them in Ireland....is NYC so special they have to discriminate? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 20:08:14 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:42:05 2010. "why do gays feel they have to march in the parade "identifying as gay or lesbian"? It's not a political parade.'I think it's called...THIS IS AMERICA....LAND OF THE FREE...NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE.....GET IT? PEOPLE HAVE THE NEED TO FEEL FREE...GET IT? OR NOT...ASK OLG-HAI FOR THE ADVICE: |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 20:10:54 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:54:28 2010. "NYC is not "Ireland". What they do has no baring on what some group does here."The last time I looked....GP38.....New York City...aka..NYC...was and still is...in AMERICA....land of the FREE...WISE ASS!....no..it isn't Ireland...but at least they are far more tolerant there than we in AMERICA...get it? Olog-Hai is watching you:
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 20:12:32 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Mar 8 18:57:23 2010. ONE FAST MOVE AND THE OLOG-HAI WILL BLAST YOU:
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 20:14:20 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 17:07:22 2010. OLOG-HAI IS GONNA ZAP YOU FOR THAT!
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 20:15:44 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 19:06:22 2010. ACTUALLY...THIS IS THE PIC..OLOG-HAI
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 8 20:19:01 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 20:06:25 2010. Irrelevant - there would only be discrimination if sexual orientation was a category and gays were excluded. I would say that the other parade discriminates since no-one is marching under a "Straight" banner.Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - either everyone gets to march under a sexual orientation banner or no-one does. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 20:23:11 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 18:42:05 2010. There are undoubtedly many different reasons, but I think that a big part of it is because many gays are not completely comfortable with their own sexuality suffer from low self-esteem. They want to blame homophobic heterosexuals for their issues and they think that if they can get public acknowledgment and acceptance of their sexuality that they will feel better about themselves.I don't mean to offend anyone, but that is what I see. |
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Posted by OLOG-hai on Mon Mar 8 21:02:20 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 8 20:15:44 2010. Wow, you're not only a racist, you hate Stewie Griffin too. There's no hope for you at all . . . tsk tsk. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 21:06:27 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by OLOG-hai on Mon Mar 8 21:02:20 2010. Why do you keep calling white people racist for insulting other white people? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 21:13:01 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 20:23:11 2010. Actualy, for most gays and lesbians, it's the other way around. Constant reminders from a very homophobic society that you are "not acceptable" can and will hammer your self-esteem into the ground. It's still legal in 29 states to fire or refuse employment to people for the sole reason that you are gay or lesbian. It's legal to evict, or refuse to rent or sell housing to gays or lesbians in 31 states. The federal government, through its Defense Of Marriage Act and Don't Ask/Don't Tell policy, relegate the lives and relationships of gays and lesbians to secondary status in American life and law. Finally, violence against gays is an increasing, ongoing threat to the life and safety of the entire LGBT community.All this against Americans whose expression of love for people of the same gender has no impact on the lives of their straight neighbors. Gays and lesbians are, generally speaking, quite comfortable with their sexual orientation. They are made, however, to be uncomfortable, by the hateful society in which they must exist. In many other countries around the world, homophobia and violence--often state-sanctioned--is even worse. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:21:34 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 8 20:19:01 2010. And since no one is marching under a sexual orientation banner, why should they add one? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 21:22:26 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 21:13:01 2010. It's legal to evict, or refuse to rent or sell housing to gays or lesbians in 31 states.It should be legal to rent or sell your house to whoever you want to IMO. As far as evicting someone I would assume that a contract would be involved and that there would be some legal recourse. That doesn't sound correct at all. And I think that this housing stuff is BS anyway as I think that gays are generally considered desirable tenants. If you want to see discrimination look at single black women with male kids. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:23:57 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 20:23:11 2010. I happen to agree with you. Again, heterosexuals aren't marching in this pride in a "staight pride" banner, so why should homosexuals be in the parade doing it? The parade isn't about sexuality or politics. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 21:24:06 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 17:26:52 2010. The fact that the AOH would rather lose their parade than share it, is what's disturbing.In these economic times, the AOH could do something really useful and reconstitute the Molly McGuires. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 21:32:20 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 21:22:26 2010. A "New York Eviction" just bypasses all that troublesome lease or housing court nonsense. I once had a landlady who could evict a tenant in 24 hours if they were just one day late with the rent. She would pick up the phone, dial 911, and say "I think my tenant in Apartment so-and-so is selling drugs and guns."The cops would come, roust the tenant, and by the time the tenant got out of Central Booking, his/her stuff was piled up on the street, and the locks changed. Illegal eviction, you say? Ol' Ms. Thing was prepared for that, too...she just said she believed her life and property to be in danger from her evil gun-running, drug selling tenant... As for your comment, "It should be legal to rent or sell your house to whoever you want to IMO", does this mean you're OK with landlords or realtors refusing to rent or sell to Blacks, Asians, or other minorities, too? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:32:43 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 21:13:01 2010. Actualy, for most gays and lesbians, it's the other way around. Constant reminders from a very homophobic society that you are "not acceptable" can and will hammer your self-esteem into the ground.But much of this is exagerrated. For example, I could care less what people want to do with eachother sexually. Who cares?! One of the people I work with is gay, and we are friends. I don't think sexual conversation ever comes up. But he's confident in himself, and doesn't need to march around in a parade to make him more confident. It's still legal in 29 states to fire or refuse employment to people for the sole reason that you are gay or lesbian. It's legal to evict, or refuse to rent or sell housing to gays or lesbians in 31 states. And many single heterosexual males have trouble getting apartments too, and are "discriminated" against. Heterosexual males have a stereotype of being "messy, dirty, noisy", etc. Many landlords won't rent to THEM either. In fact, in many locations, it may be easier for a gay male couple to get an apartment than it would be for two heterosexual roomates sharing an apartment to get an apartment, as gay males are usually looked upon as neat and clean, and probably would improve the apartment. You cry persecution complex, but don't realize there's another side to it too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:43:34 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 21:32:20 2010. The cops would come, roust the tenant, and by the time the tenant got out of Central Booking, his/her stuff was piled up on the street, and the locks changed.And then we have the opposite extreme, where a tenant hasn't paid rent in 3 months, the landlord files for eviction which can take up to 6 months to occur, all in the tenant's favor, with the landlord then out of 9 months of rent, and once eviction occurs, the landlord has to "hold in storage" the tenants possessions for another month either in the apartment or in a storage unit at landlord expense. Out 10 months rent. And you find that fair? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:44:21 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:43:34 2010. ...and that scenario is current "Eviction procedure in NYC".... |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 21:45:48 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 21:32:20 2010. As for your comment, "It should be legal to rent or sell your house to whoever you want to IMO", does this mean you're OK with landlords or realtors refusing to rent or sell to Blacks, Asians, or other minorities, too?By ok I only mean that the government should be involved. Community pressure or even protests are another story. And yes in that context I am ok with that and it happens all the time although it's hidden. I'd prefer that it were more open so that people that aren't welcome won't waste their time. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 21:47:58 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 21:32:43 2010. I think that this is similar too your views on racial discrimination. You don't think in those terms so they must not exist. I think that homophobia is significant although not as significant as a generation ago. But I'm sure that there are constant reminders and even taunts. Especially in the hood. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 8 21:48:49 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 17:54:39 2010. If they really want to be inclusive, they ought to invite the Orange Order to march.The AOH is a Catholic organization. Fenians only. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 21:49:46 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 21:32:20 2010. Man! I wish that I knew that a year ago. My sister-in-law had a professional moocher rent her place and she never paid a dime in rent. It took almost a year to get her evicted and she ended up losing the house. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 22:00:51 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 21:47:58 2010. I didn't say it didn't exist, and I never said racial discrimination didn't exist. However, worming into a parade, that has nothing to do with sexuality, is not a way to get the point across, in fact, if anything, it will make the OPPOSITE happen.A person would be a fool to say that discrimination didn't exist. But again, in the case of apartments, there are two sides to it. Men in general have a tough time getting apartments, not just "gay" men. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 22:03:53 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 21:49:46 2010. Exactly. I know a landlady in Brooklyn that took 10 months to get someone out, lost more than 10 months rent, legal fees, and had to keep the asshole tenant's stuff in storage for an additional month after the marshall came to end the eviction. She either had to keep it in the apartment for that month (losing another months rent, and delay cleaning it up to rerent), or spend the money on a storage unit, and pay someone to move it to the unit for a month. It's ridiculous. In NYC, landlords have no rights at all, it's all geared to the tenant. The fine line is way to the other extreme. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 22:05:06 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 22:00:51 2010. I agree with you partly but you responded to his claim of homophobia by saying that it was exaggerated and then used yourself as an example and that made no sense. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 22:08:26 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 8 22:03:53 2010. I think that California is the same. If you have a non-paying tenant that knows how to play the game it's hard to get them out legally. I've heard that it's much easier in the red states. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 8 22:14:12 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 22:08:26 2010. easy you dont want to live in a state like georgia |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 22:14:49 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 8 18:55:10 2010. you and people like you are terrorists. you're no different than the 9/11 terrorists, you just attack in a different way. but your goal is the same. to destroy America. you're going to lose. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 22:15:48 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 8 22:14:12 2010. Really? I think that half my extended family lives in Atlanta and its suburbs and they love it. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 8 22:16:39 2010, in response to Re: St. Pat's For All Parade, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 8 22:14:49 2010. Ok, I take back where I said that I agreed with Luch. He's scared me straight...so to speak... |
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