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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:12:28 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 17:43:34 2020.

It depends how careful she was. I know people who have affairs that do not leave any type of electronic trail at all. If they must talk on the cell phone, it's all on throwaways.

And again, her being a cop has nothing to do with this.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:13:35 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:11:05 2020.

The local postal inspector, with whom the cops should have coordinated, said he was never even approached by the cops, even though a fictitious postal inspector appears on the application. It was bogus.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:14:33 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 17:37:58 2020.

Stop making me laugh! If you feel like your life is in danger, having one day of training, or two decades of training doesn't make a lick of difference. By the way, at least in New York City, most police agencies, when you advance in your career, you have several weeks, sometimes months of training each and every year. It doesn't end at the Academy. I know where I was in my career, I had training annually several times a year, in fact lots of courses were college credits.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 18:15:27 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:12:28 2020.

This whole thread can be summed up in this post I made
In other words, the original post author is deranged.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:16:17 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:12:28 2020.

Guyger being a cop has EVERYTHING to do with this, since it was her defense that she was acting as a police officer, who had (erroneously) caught a burglar in her own living room. Her role as a police officer is at the heart of the case.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:17:36 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:13:35 2020.

Haven't myself, and other post is here, already dispensed with that Postal Inspector angle? Just so you know, the Postal Inspector isn't let in the loop for lots of actions which go on. In fact, the less people that know about it, the better. When you have a heavy search warrant, you don't even let your co-workers know about it unless you a part of the field team. And I love how you push your opinions as fact. I lived it, I walked the walk, you just talked the talk. That's the difference between me and you.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:18:25 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:16:17 2020.

She would have done the same thing if she was a lollipop maker.

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Re: REAL Criminal Reform

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jun 30 18:21:20 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

Reform the criminals, not the cops.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:22:27 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:17:36 2020.

Packages allegedly containing contraband were a key element in the warrant application, and were supposedly being delivered by USPS, and to intercept US Mail as evidence would likely require a postal inspector.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jun 30 18:23:48 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 14:17:18 2020.

I am older than you, I'm 60, and when I was a kid on High School there was always a police officer there.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:26:27 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:22:27 2020.

Yet, there WAS one!

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:30:48 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:18:25 2020.

A lollipop maker would have drawn her service weapon and started blasting away, instead of carefully retreating and calling 911?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:31:19 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:26:27 2020.

Not one who took part in the investigation.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:33:05 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jun 30 18:23:48 2020.

If there was a full-time cop assigned to your high school in the mid-to-late '70s, that school had real problems.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jun 30 19:16:03 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:33:05 2020.

No, it was an average Chicago High School.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Jun 30 19:34:17 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 19:40:52 2020.

i don't understand how you feel the need to ask that question. only way to answer it is, let someone fire a taser at you. then you will be in a better frame of mind to answer your own question. put it on a video; let everyone see how you react to hqving a taser shoot electricity into you.

the rest of understand that throwing, say, a pillow at a police officer is a form of assault on an officer. as is spitting on an officer.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Jun 30 19:45:18 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 30 11:51:21 2020.

i can't stand to read that faggot's posts but i do see bits of them reading other poster's responses to him.

but he said something about "structural racism" being the reason why so many once once thriving neighborhoods experienced a demographic change from white to black and became crappy?

geeze, what an ignorant liar. as in, who forced those new residents to live like assholes?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 20:03:51 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by ntrainride on Tue Jun 30 19:45:18 2020.

It must suck living with that severe emotional disturbance.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Jun 30 20:35:19 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 30 11:45:36 2020.

That's your job....which you do very well!

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 20:40:13 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 18:14:33 2020.

If you feel like your life is in danger, having one day of training, or two decades of training doesn't make a lick of difference.

The purpose of the training should be to make you overcome one's reflexive fear that one's life is in imminent danger at every single provocation.

most police agencies, when you advance in your career, you have several weeks, sometimes months of training each and every year.

1. If bad habits are taught initially, then reinforcing them with additional training won't cure those bad habits.

2. From a quantitative perspective, Norway's police undergo 3 years or 156 weeks of training before they start full time. NYPD's initial 19 weeks leaves a deficit of 137 weeks. It would take 20 years of 6 week refreshers to match what the Norway policeman starts with.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 20:40:40 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jun 30 11:40:57 2020.

You can't debate decades of documented NYPD corruption. So you attack me.

Thanks for win.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 30 21:14:34 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 20:03:51 2020.

Everyone in your mind seems to have emotional issues except you. Did you ever wonder about that?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 30 21:38:41 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 20:40:13 2020.

"The purpose of the training should be to make you overcome one's reflexive fear that one's life is in imminent danger at every single provocation."

How long have you been teaching at the academy?


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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 21:46:20 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:31:19 2020.

Have you followed up on the case?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 21:47:20 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 18:30:48 2020.

She would have her own pistol for her protection. Hell hath no fury than a woman scorned!

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 30 22:02:12 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 20:40:13 2020.

The purpose of the training should be to make you overcome one's reflexive fear that one's life is in imminent danger at every single provocation

Must be good living under that rock of yours.

Norway's police undergo 3 years or 156 weeks of training before they start full time

Oh boy. Keep comparing apples and oranges.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 22:11:14 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 20:40:13 2020.

But one's life is NOT in danger at every single provocation, which is why there aren't, in New York City alone, about a thousand people shot a day by the police, which would happen if that was true.

Bad habits are not taught at any police academy or federal law enforcement Academy in the United States. I don't know where you get that malarkey from?

Also, you are not mentioning the fact that the average police, irrespective of Department, that work in the New York City area, see more action in a year, than those Norwegians typically do in their entire career. You cannot compare the two.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jun 30 22:53:36 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 20:40:13 2020.

Comparing Norway to NYPD?
Thatís a poor comparison.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 30 23:59:58 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jun 30 22:53:36 2020.

Did you see that Golden State Serial cop?

I ain't surprised.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 06:28:21 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 21:46:20 2020.

"Louisville Postal Inspector Tony Gooden said Metro police did not use his office to verify that a drug suspect was receiving packages at Taylor's apartment"

The article says further that it "is possible" a postal inspector from another city was used, but that he, Gooden, would have been notified, which he was not.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 06:29:16 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 21:47:20 2020.

No, hell hath no fury like a gay man slightly inconvenienced, but still...

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 08:44:35 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jun 30 22:53:36 2020.

Comparing Norway to NYPD? Thatís a poor comparison.

I'm comparing NYPD training to a police department whose police do not carry guns. If you don't like Norway, please suggest another country with unarmed police to compare its training.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 08:50:33 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 22:11:14 2020.

Bad habits are not taught at any police academy or federal law enforcement Academy in the United States. I don't know where you get that malarkey from?

Are you suggesting that the high rate of US police killings is the result of not obeying the good habits taught in the police academies?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 1 08:59:01 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 08:50:33 2020.

Parallels universe with all the cops being killed.
McDonalds can only name 4 thugs. The small city police department around here has a wall to all those who are murdered.


Fake discussion.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 1 08:59:54 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 06:29:16 2020.

Hell hath no fury like a dumbass who votes for all of these laws that police are forced to enforce.

Who do you think is going to have to enforce your bullshit "gun control"?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 1 09:01:03 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by ntrainride on Tue Jun 30 19:45:18 2020.

As a Jew, he is correct. What neighborhoods did you think they all conspire against to turn into toliets by Red Lining?
Again, a majority of these Historical Black African American districts were the original Jewish neighborhoods.

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Re: REAL Criminal Reform

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 1 09:01:43 2020, in response to Re: REAL Criminal Reform, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jun 30 18:21:20 2020.

There's no such thing as a criminal.

Except those that vote democrat, and then complain that they have to have police to enforce the burdensome democratic laws.

jazyeebmt is a genious.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 1 09:37:06 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 08:50:33 2020.

No. It's the result of obeying the good habits taught in the police academy. Almost all the police killings were justified.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 09:38:17 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 08:44:35 2020.

Are you suggesting that an unarmed police department would be a good idea in the U.S.?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 1 09:39:15 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 09:38:17 2020.

It seems like he is as ridiculous as it sounds.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 1 09:40:30 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 08:44:35 2020.

Do any of the countries that have unarmed police have the second amendment?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 09:40:39 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 07:02:36 2020.

What is the intentional neglect?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 1 10:05:12 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jun 30 20:40:13 2020.

Note that Norway starts with the advantage that it is far less likely that a suspected criminal is carrying a gun.



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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 10:19:25 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 1 09:40:30 2020.

Do any of the countries that have unarmed police have the second amendment?

Iceland

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 10:21:02 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 09:40:39 2020.

Minority neighborhoods historically get reduced city services, tend not to have good schools (teachers don't want to be assigned there, so these schools become punitive transfer sites), and have lower tax bases, so they don't have the kind of political pull that places like the UES do. Because housing projects are overwhelmingly located in minority-majority neighborhoods (the Pomonok Houses in Flushing and the Lincoln Houses next to the Met are exceptions), these areas also get short shrift in things like street maintenance and urban planning. This is just a small set of examples.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 10:31:42 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 09:38:17 2020.

Are you suggesting that an unarmed police department would be a good idea in the U.S.?

I'm suggesting that 33.5/10M citizens killed is excessive and unacceptable. This is especially true because the US crime rate is also among the highest, excluding armed insurrections.

Most countries are less than 5/10M. Countries with the lowest number of citizens killed per capita are those whose police are not armed. Police training in these countries emphasizes how to control situations without using guns.

Even with armed insurrections, Home Secretary Winston Churchill was famous for diffusing the Sydney Street siege without guns.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 10:34:22 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 10:31:42 2020.

I'm suggesting that 33.5/10M citizens killed is excessive and unacceptable. This is especially true because the US crime rate is also among the highest, excluding armed insurrections.

What about the idea that this death rate is because the US crime rate is so high? Indirectly, if the crime rate is so high, we can't not have unarmed police and thus the rate of police killing of civilians is an unavoidable consequence.

NOTE: I don't think that more law enforcement is going to solve a high crime rate.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 10:35:47 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 1 09:37:06 2020.

It's the result of obeying the good habits taught in the police academy. Almost all the police killings were justified.

Given the extraordinary high number of citizens killed by the police, perhaps it's time to examine what's "justified."

Could situations have been diffused? If so, should such situations that were not diffused and resulted in a killing be classified as "justified."

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 10:40:18 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 1 10:05:12 2020.

a suspected criminal is carrying a gun.

That's true of every country. There are 20% more guns than people in the US. Iceland's police are not armed. It ranks 12th in civilian firearms per capita.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jul 1 10:47:34 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 1 08:59:54 2020.

Yeah, liberal mind boggles ones mind....

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