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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 1 18:35:34 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 16:23:19 2020.

OTOH, dismissing it out of hand because "it didn't from us" is not a very constructive response.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 1 18:36:16 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 16:23:19 2020.

OTOH, dismissing it out of hand because "it didn't come from us" is not a very constructive response.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 18:40:17 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 17:21:12 2020.

True but little zero pretends that she was acting in her capacity of a police officer when Mr. Jean died.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 19:05:32 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 15:56:48 2020.

That's NOT how policing works! You can't compare how certain cops at a job you were on handle a situation to everyone else. Shit, *I* even know of someone who would have been 100% justified in shooting a kid WHO WAS POINTING A FIREARM AT HIM, but didn't because he assessed the situation, and realized that the kid was just scared, frozen in fear, until his friend "snapped him out of it". Because this one guy utilized firearm control, doesn't mean that it's prudent or applicable for other situations, thus proving that one size does NOT fit all when it comes to police work.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 19:09:25 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 18:40:17 2020.

She was acting as a police officer during the Jean incident. In fact, one of the reasons DPD terminated her was failure to follow established police procedure.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 19:14:53 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 1 18:35:34 2020.

Did I say that?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 21:17:54 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 19:09:25 2020.

And you know this, how?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 21:20:41 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 1 17:56:59 2020.

I was thinking more like a spurned chick

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 21:37:26 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 21:17:54 2020.

The Dallas Morning News quoted the chief, who cited that as one of several reasons Guyger was fired.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 22:17:24 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 18:03:24 2020.

Except, this is a story about a chick and her boo, NOT about improper police procedure.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 22:21:34 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 21:37:26 2020.

I guess the chief was hiding under the bed and witnesssed it. This is what happens when forced to hire runts and cunts.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 22:28:12 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 22:17:24 2020.

Aw, but to him it's about how policing traumatizes officers and turns them into raging killers . . .

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 23:59:07 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 19:09:25 2020.

You lying ass mother-fucker. No wonder you got your fucking teeth knocked out

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 2 14:14:53 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 19:14:53 2020.

That's essentially what your saying, since you're claiming that the US is too different from other countries for anything they do to work.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jul 2 14:20:28 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 2 14:14:53 2020.

This whole sub-thread is from 1950 and a waste of time.

These European cesspools have things called "no-go" zones for the police, and when they enter the cars go up in flames and people throw grenades at police stations.

You know how many cars go up in flames on a typical weekend in pre-plague France? How many cars go up in flames on a weekend in LA?

Give me break.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jul 2 14:28:15 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 2 14:14:53 2020.

Essentially?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jul 2 14:30:51 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 2 14:14:53 2020.

Ok how about this. How many people make up the population in Norway? 🇳🇴

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 2 14:43:02 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jul 2 14:30:51 2020.

Why does that matter?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 4 08:30:01 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 11:58:41 2020.

Why can he not tell you anything about that? Because you don't want to hear it?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 4 08:55:45 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 09:38:17 2020.

The UK would be the obvious example. The typical British "Bobby" (named for Sir Robert Peel, who originated the whole concept of a Police Force as we know it today) does not carry a gun. They do have armed police who are called on when needed, but they are referred to specifically as "armed police", to distinguish them from the more common variety who are not armed with firearms.


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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 4 09:29:52 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 15:41:12 2020.

The real problem is with police culture, as explained clearly in this video. We need to completely overhaul police training and police culture, starting with a recruit's first day at the academy. There should be an "honor code" like the ones at our military academies: the cadets "do not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those who do." And that honor code must carry over to their service in the field. Instead, we have a situation where police "do not tolerate" those who refuse to lie and cheat in the defense of their "brothers". That's why police departments have to be rebuilt from the bottom up, with the new departments perhaps given different names to distinguish them from the old ones.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 4 10:59:34 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 4 09:29:52 2020.

I also think that they should be forced to carry insurance. And yes, it should be partially paid for by the union, so that the unions will want to fire "expensive" cops.

This is how capitalism solves problems. It works.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 11:04:56 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 4 10:59:34 2020.

I think every person that owns a gun should have insurance, including police departments.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 4 11:08:09 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 4 11:04:56 2020.

OK

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 4 11:16:16 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 4 09:29:52 2020.

I agree completely. The "blue wall of silence/punish the rats" corporate culture of policing needs to be abolished. Honorable behavior codes, like those you described at West Point, should be instituted instead.

Again, nobody really knows how many people were wrongfully arrested, jailed or killed before the advent of widespread, publicly accessible bystander video, because whatever version of events the police created, was automatically assumed to be the truth. This atmosphere encouraged massive dishonesty, lying, and almost absolute power to inflict injury and death without consequences. In court, there's even a name among cops for their perjury: "testilying".

Just look at the attitude of some of the posters here, that hold themselves out as current or former police officers. When they tell you that they meted our such street-level punishments as "turban parties", etc. ("How many cops does it take to push a perp down the stairs? None, he tripped and fell"), believe them. Video is starting to confirm these stories, and hopefully, is also acting as a catalyst for real, lasting changes in the way we allow our police to perform their jobs.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 4 11:41:26 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 4 09:29:52 2020.

Bullshit video. Not even the U.S.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jul 4 11:55:25 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 4 08:30:01 2020.

Cute. No because Iím in the business with over 20 years seniority.
So basically he doesnít know more about than I do.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 4 11:58:51 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 11:58:41 2020.

the brother do like talking out of his ass.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jul 4 12:02:15 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 4 09:29:52 2020.

Lol

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jul 4 12:09:34 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 4 11:41:26 2020.

Bullshit video. Not even the U.S

Here's one in Miami. Is this an example of police restraint in the US.



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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jul 4 12:23:52 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 4 11:58:51 2020.

Itís irresponsible to make statements as fact when you donít have the correct information.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 4 12:34:26 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jul 4 11:55:25 2020.

Which "business" are you in?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jul 4 12:42:40 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 4 12:34:26 2020.

Talking about schools right?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 4 13:06:25 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jul 4 12:42:40 2020.

You didn't answer my question.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jul 4 13:42:12 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 4 13:06:25 2020.

Iím not giving out personal information on this board. You can read between the lines.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 5 17:17:37 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 4 11:16:16 2020.

Who?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 5 17:18:09 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jul 4 12:09:34 2020.

She bumped him.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 5 18:20:33 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jul 4 12:09:34 2020.

It does look as if her chin lightly touched his shoulder, about 1/2 to 2/3 of a second before he strikes her. But that is certainly no justification for the massive force with which he strikes her.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jul 5 18:33:30 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jul 4 12:09:34 2020.

Bitch getting into his face. She deserved it. And 31 years on the job? They're probably doing him a favor by relieving him.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 5 18:42:00 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jul 5 18:33:30 2020.

He could be charged with assault and lose his pension. Lawsuit too.



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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 5 19:02:02 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 5 17:17:37 2020.

You. I thank God you are no longer on the force. But I wonder how many who think the way you do are.

Question: If a person does not physically strike an officer, but merely insults the officer verbally (as was the case with the incident discussed in the video I linked to), would you still think that meting out physical "justice" would be OK? Remember, in this country, such insults are speech protected by the First Amendment.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 5 20:30:06 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 5 19:02:02 2020.

What video? The one in Florida, she touched him first. He finished it. Although I wouldn't do anything like that. I would just smile at her, while calling her a cunt, and other things.

How do I think? I was a cop decades ago. When I left the TAPD, I excelled at my chosen field.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jul 5 20:37:36 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jul 5 18:33:30 2020.

Bitch getting into his face. She deserved it.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 5 20:40:27 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 5 20:30:06 2020.

She did charge him.

Verbally and physically he was threatened. Sadly if she did that to a civilian then cops would scrutinize the video and side with her.

Cops don't always take the right side.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 5 21:38:19 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 5 20:40:27 2020.

I know she didn't charge him, and I wouldn't have done that.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Jul 6 06:46:54 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 5 20:30:06 2020.

Not that video, this video.

You haven't answered my question: do you think verbally insulting police merits/justifies physical "punishment"? You seem to be saying you wouldn't do it, but if you knew a fellow officer had, would you say so if asked about it, or lie to cover it up?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 6 08:55:29 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Jul 6 06:46:54 2020.

I already said no it doesn't. Insulting them back under your breath so only they hear it drives them fucking crazy! Like they think that they can insult you all they want, but somehow none of the police will insult them back.

Nothing lower then a rat! I'm like Sergeant Schultz...

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jul 6 09:02:44 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 6 08:55:29 2020.

If you looked the other way while cops committed crimes like assault, you're an accomplice. I'm sure you are proud of that, too.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 6 09:25:40 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jul 6 09:02:44 2020.

Is that what he said? I never saw a cop assault anybody in front of me.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jul 6 13:16:07 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jul 4 12:09:34 2020.

Itís an example of a 911 call for help and the PD encountering someone without any restraint and no respect for other people let alone cops.

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