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REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020


1. Mandatory random drug testing
2. Criminal Justice Degree requirement
3. Federal oversight of local/state police
4. Shared civil damages with unions
5. Banning fired officers from being rehired in original or other Police Department
6. Restrict access to military equipment
7. Abolish school police/policing
8. Mandatory community policing models



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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 29 13:03:36 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

Yes, I want to go to a public inner city school with no school police at all!

ROFL

lhan Omar Defends Call to Dismantle Minneapolis Police

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 13:28:09 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

Yeah - especially #7 makes perfect sense. Let teachers deal with armed students

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 14:17:18 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 29 13:03:36 2020.

I seem to remember going from K-12 in the NYC public school system, and never seeing a cop unless there was a real emergency. Police weren't assigned to schools then, and shouldn't be now. There is no reason for six-year-olds to be handcuffed.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:22:31 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 14:17:18 2020.

NYPD school safety is a different part of the NYPD. They're not real cops.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 29 14:32:13 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

I agree with numbers 1 & 7. The others are nonsense.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 29 14:34:20 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 29 13:28:09 2020.

I don't think he meant for police to not respond to school jobs, just not to have cops stationed in schools.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 29 14:41:30 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 14:17:18 2020.

I want to see a picture of this six-year old in handcuffs if you want to put kids in danger of a mass shooter for some insane little shit fantasy of yours.

There's no reason for 12 year olds to go around with guns or 8 year olds to get free condoms either.

The best days of school are when they had metal detecting days.

"I seem to remember going from K-12 in the NYC public school system, and never seeing a cop unless there was a real emergency."

Then you're as privledged as Obama is.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 29 14:43:21 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 29 14:32:13 2020.

In the southern states, they want people with degrees. Jayzero still wants to "defund" them.

Federal oversight? Yeah, because a Democrat is DC has magic that the Democrat in Memphis doesn't have.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 29 15:14:23 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

Here's an article that discusses how/why police in some other countries are not armed. I believe going to an unarmed police force would require the sea change that so which some of your suggestions point.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jun 29 15:33:04 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

(1) Yes.
I do think police should know the laws they are enforcing. If that's (2), I can get behind it.
(3) No, but I don't like federal oversight of anything. State oversight I can get behind.
(4) I like what Colorado has done to bypass qualified immunity, if a cop violates your civil rights, they are responsible for a minimum of $25,000 in damages.
(5) No. There are lots of bad reasons why a cop might be fired - refusing to enforce an unconstitutional law, making a controversial social media post, or getting railroaded after snitching on bad cops. Going to a new department with a better culture should be an option.
(6) *Shrug* it's situational. I think the most militarized my local cops are is a single M4 rifle in case things really get heavy. Major cities might need an APC or two.
(7) Policing against the students I can get behind, but they need to be there to deter outside threats, like at this Oregon school. If we can have an armed guard in a bank to defend money, we should have an armed guard (at least) in a school to defend kids.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 15:33:14 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 29 14:41:30 2020.

Body camera footage showing cops handcuffing six year old kid.

STFU.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 29 16:09:16 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 15:33:14 2020.

Anti-semitic hate link?

"STFU" kinda like what you do on all of the posts of people murdering and stealing in the streets so you can go ahead and give these bullshit little musings as though there is a real issue and discussion going on?


I will call you out until as Jersey Mike put it, "[your] kidneys fail." We don't negotiate with terrorist.



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Re: REAL Police Deform

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 29 16:12:54 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 29 15:14:23 2020.

You could just forcibly break into the police car and try to steal all the weapons through the back window. That's a start.
Then you can "defund" the life of the police officers too. Especially if they're a little bit light in the skin.



DEMOCRATS




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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 29 16:45:46 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

They have all that more or less, except for the criminal justice degree requirement. However, that will make for a more white Police Department, just to warn you. And Lord knows, we can't have THAT.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 29 16:47:04 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 14:17:18 2020.

You're right, they should get smacked like we did when we were that age.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 29 16:52:05 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 29 15:14:23 2020.

America is too much of a gun culture for the criminals to walk around unarmed. So disarming the police is extremely impractical in the United States of America.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 16:55:28 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 29 16:52:05 2020.

It's impractical everywhere. The cops in Ireland had no guns for a long time, but the criminals did . . . so they had to create an armed "special branch" . . .

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 16:58:09 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 29 16:47:04 2020.

That explains a lot about you.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 16:59:11 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 29 16:09:16 2020.

WHAT "anti-Semitic hate link"???

Oh, I forgot, it's the NYT. In your bizarro world, the Newspaper of Record is a "hate link"...

You are truly fucked up.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 17:09:01 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

#5 is the only one I would agree with; the rest look communistic and increases cost to the public never mind decreases accountability. Frankly, it sounds like . . .



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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 17:11:21 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

Mandatory body cams.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jun 29 17:34:37 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 17:09:01 2020.

#4 I could potentially agree with because it encourages good cops to keep bad cops in line because they donít want to have to pay settlements.

#5 my issue is that someone terminated for reasons other than incident involving force could lead to good cops being blackballed because they didnít share the same politics as a commanding officer,

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 17:50:37 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 17:09:01 2020.

Youíre the boy who cried communism.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jun 29 18:20:27 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

9. Forfeiting officers or any government employee from collecting any pension upon conviction of any felony.

10. Requiring officers to work in the city or jurisdiction of said law enforcement agency.
11. Body cams
12. Require any officer to provide a sworn statement (under penalty of perjury if false statements are given)
13. Making assault on police officer a Federal offense.
14 Making it a felony to aid in the Blue Wall of Silence

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 18:32:35 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jun 29 18:20:27 2020.

9. Then you'll see transit work I who have a 12-9 or major incident being targeted.

10. Too many NYPD are from Suffolk. This is a problem. But most can't afford to live in NYC.

11. And car cams.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jun 29 18:42:59 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 29 15:14:23 2020.

First of all the first paragraph shows how biased the author is by repeating all the lies that "police brutality is a horrific normality and, in more ways than one, black men being shot by police has become the modern-day equivalent of lynching". And second of all the article never answers the questions of how/why police in other countries are not armed.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 18:48:44 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

People who have an interaction with police should have immediate access to bodycam and car cam footage.



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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 29 18:52:46 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 16:55:28 2020.

so they had to create an armed "special branch" . .

That's universally true, wherever the police are unarmed. The point is that the first encounter is with unarmed police. If they cannot handle the situation, then and only then is the special squad called. The idea of the unarmed first encounter is to prevent an escalation.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 19:29:49 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jun 29 18:20:27 2020.

A Zamboni is conditioning the ice in Hell. I actually agree with all of these! (I believe #10 should read, "Requiring officers to live in the city or jurisdiction...")

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 19:40:52 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 19:29:49 2020.

Is shooting a taser a form of assault on officer?

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Jimmymc25 on Mon Jun 29 19:49:09 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 29 16:47:04 2020.

If they should get smacked silly....... Just pull the cops out and replace them with nuns!


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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 20:00:12 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Jimmymc25 on Mon Jun 29 19:49:09 2020.

Heh. Nuns have changed.

A friend of ours taught at a Catholic school after retiring from the Fire Department. The principal told he he wasn't allowed to yell at the students when they got unruly.



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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 20:06:26 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fglIuAKOfDQ&t=800s

this youtube video is a glaring example of why we need to cut police funding and discipline cops who behave this way.

Videos like this are proof that the US is overpoliced and we need to reduce spending and hold cops like this accountable.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 20:10:22 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 20:06:26 2020.

forgot to say "revenge" interactions need to be in Police Reform if it's serious.

Cops should be prohibited from stalking and escalating situations by following someone they simply don't like. SCOTUS ruled against it recently but based on a mountain of evidence, citizens need protection from "revenge" interactions.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 20:10:28 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 20:06:26 2020.

forgot to say "revenge" interactions need to be in Police Reform if it's serious.

Cops should be prohibited from stalking and escalating situations by following someone they simply don't like. SCOTUS ruled against it recently but based on a mountain of evidence, citizens need protection from "revenge" interactions.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 20:43:13 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 20:06:26 2020.

I agree that in many places, we are overpoliced.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 20:46:55 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 20:43:13 2020.

Look at how cops react. They pull the guy over. They are like an adult fraternity.

This should result in a lawsuit.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jun 29 21:49:23 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 16:58:09 2020.

IAWTP

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jun 29 21:52:37 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 17:11:21 2020.

+1

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 29 21:58:42 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Jimmymc25 on Mon Jun 29 19:49:09 2020.

The faculty of my grammar school!:)


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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Jimmymc25 on Mon Jun 29 21:59:48 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 20:00:12 2020.

Yeah I know they changed....... But I figured Iíd just throw that out there anyway for a laugh or two.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Jimmymc25 on Mon Jun 29 22:05:31 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jun 29 21:58:42 2020.

Yeah, looks familiar. LOL!!!

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 29 23:05:58 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 29 15:14:23 2020.

I wonder how itís appropriate or fair to compare the US to those countries in any regard let alone policing or education.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 29 23:06:40 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 14:17:18 2020.

Why else would the PD be in a school in the first place?

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 29 23:09:22 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 16:58:09 2020.

In what regard?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 29 23:10:35 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 18:32:35 2020.

They canít afford to buy a home in the 5 boroughs by and large.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 00:27:39 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 29 18:52:46 2020.

In America, that "first encounter " would more likely than not end in the police shot, stabbed, maimed, or beaten, or the perps running away.

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Re: REAL Police Defunding

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 00:30:04 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Defunding, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 16:58:09 2020.

When I say "we", I'm talking in general terms, although I did get hit by the nuns from time to time. And I also meant that today's kids on mollycoddled, which is why they throw these temper tantrums in the classroom that require police response in the first place! Those old tough nuns on the early 1970s wood take care of those kids.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 30 00:32:46 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jun 29 17:34:37 2020.

You can't punish someone for the actions of someone else!

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