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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 11:56:03 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 10:31:42 2020.

How many deadly incidents began with a phone call to 911?

I donít like comparing the US to other counties for almost anything. This is melting pot. This country is in a class all by itself and those comparisons are giving false impressions and misinformation.
Bottom line is people shouldnít behave like jerkoffs. Thatíll save lives as much as anything else.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 11:58:41 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 10:21:02 2020.

I donít know it thatís very accurate. And you canít tell me anything about inner city urban schools and who works there and who doesnít and this transfer talk.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 1 12:18:13 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 11:56:03 2020.

I donít like comparing the US to other counties for almost anything.

Then you can't really claim that this country is the best at anything, since that is also a comparison.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 1 12:52:11 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 10:40:18 2020.

That's true of every country.

And it's a major reason why most or all first world democracies have lower rates of death by police than the US.



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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 12:52:28 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 1 12:18:13 2020.

I donít think I really said it was the best.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 1 13:32:58 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 12:52:28 2020.

I meant not just in this thread, but just about any time.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 13:48:19 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 06:28:21 2020.

Yeah, exactly!

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 13:49:01 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 06:29:16 2020.

What does that have to do with this case?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 14:10:56 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 1 13:32:58 2020.

I understand that.
This country is home to everyone from everywhere.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 14:22:55 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 11:56:03 2020.

The idea that the US should never be compared just leads to people ignoring useful proposals to make this country better because they come from outside.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 14:23:39 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 14:10:56 2020.

That sounds xenophobic given the context in this thread.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 1 14:46:25 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 29 23:05:58 2020.

Unless we're talking about completely different species of animals, there's nothing that says we can't use similar methods of de-escalating a situation.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 15:01:43 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 14:22:55 2020.

Itís not because it comes from outside

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 15:03:48 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 14:23:39 2020.

Is that right? Thatís too bad because itís not.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 15:04:25 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 1 14:46:25 2020.

Go for it

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 15:29:29 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 08:50:33 2020.

The killings are due to the way the people behave in their encounters with the police in 99% of them.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 15:31:48 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 10:35:47 2020.

The police are TOO restrained if you ask me.

Nope. By the time the trigger is being pulled, all other reasonable options are not available and rendered useless.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 15:35:07 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 15:01:43 2020.

But your philosophy tends to lead to that kind of mentality. ďThe US is too different, itíll never work here.Ē Now that might well be true, but it should be looked at on a case-by-case basis.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 15:41:12 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 15:29:29 2020.

You mean the way the police SAY they behave.

Rear-cuffed suspects committing suicide by gunshot while seated in the back of an RMP?

"Excited delirium", a condition that only seems to manifest itself in people who have just been arrested? (Yes, Taser International did give us their "trainjng" on how to handle patients who have been Tased. That was the very first time I ever heard the term "excited delirium", and guess what? That's still not a REMSCO protocol in NYC yet.)

"Flailing" one's arms...why do people only seen to "flail" their arms when they're under arrest?

It seems that the police in America have a lot of trouble taking (overwhelmingly Black) suspects into custody without killing them. What happened over the years? I had many a patient in police custody who fought us like a gored bull, but somehow we and the cops never actually killed anybody. My point is, the police know how to do this, even with suspects who are totally fucking dusted. So why have they apparently forgotten?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jul 1 15:41:34 2020, in response to REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 12:51:49 2020.

HOW ABOUT ENDING NO KNOCK WARRANTS ??

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 15:43:58 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 15:41:12 2020.

Didn't the Brooklyn cop killers get caught in the Poconos?

Or the kid who shot a cop in Central Park in the 80s?




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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 15:45:10 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 15:41:12 2020.

Subduing a violent perp and being forced to utilize DPF are 2 different things.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 15:47:10 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 15:41:12 2020.

Subduing a violent perp and being forced to utilize DPF are 2 different things.

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Re:Does JayzeeBMT know this guy?

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 1 15:48:31 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 15:41:12 2020.

She's never seen Police Academy




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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 1 15:50:00 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jul 1 10:47:34 2020.

There he goes again, jayzeebmt just goes driving off when he's wrong.

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Re:Does JayzeeBMT know this guy?

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 15:52:42 2020, in response to Re:Does JayzeeBMT know this guy?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 1 15:48:31 2020.

Meanwhile, I'm sure that (it's 2020) almost every single one of those cops have 4 year degrees, some Masters.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 1 15:53:06 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jul 1 15:41:34 2020.

HOW ABOUT ENDING NO KNOCK THE KNOCKOUT GAME ??

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 15:54:23 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 10:35:47 2020.

What's good is that your train of thought, and your opinions of this are thoroughly ignored and totally irrelevant in the real world, and will NEVER come to fruition.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jul 1 15:55:58 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 1 15:53:06 2020.

YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT &

NO KNOCK WARRANTS ARE OUT OF CONTROL IN CHICAGO & AT WRONG ADDRESSES

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 15:56:48 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 15:45:10 2020.

We once had a patient who threw his mother off the 10th floor before hurling everything in the Emeril Lagasse kitchen cutlery set at us when ESU made the entry. One paring knife actually came sailing through the front door and bounced off the cinderblock wall. He was a huge sonofabitch and it took eight extra-value size cops to get him downstairs and onto our stretcher. He had somehow nicked a minor artery in the chaos, and blood was flying all over the place. The cops would have been fully within their rights to shoot him deader than Caesar, but by some miracle we managed to get his lacerations dressed and into the ER at Luke's.

If the cops can handle that monster...

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 1 15:59:41 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 17:15:52 2020.

You know shit. Mr. covid-19 isn't that bad.





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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 15:59:41 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 15:56:48 2020.

I wonder why he did that to his mother?



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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 1 16:00:00 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 15:29:29 2020.

More like 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 44100% of encounters.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 16:02:10 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 1 15:59:41 2020.

That kid needs a coma inducing beating.



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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 16:03:20 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 15:59:41 2020.

At his trial, it came out that she was kicking him out. He was around 30, IIRC. That was the "stressor". AFAIK, he's still doing time for it, and this was about 20 years ago.

UL Amst/120, MN

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 16:04:58 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 08:50:33 2020.

The percentage of law enforcement officers who never fire their weapon is high.

Very high percentage of cops never fire their weapon. Retire without even drawing their weapon.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 16:06:00 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 16:03:20 2020.

I assume that since it was the 10th floor she did not survive and he was charged with murder?

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 1 16:07:30 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 16:03:20 2020.

Oh. Well at least 2 years per floor.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 16:10:57 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 16:06:00 2020.

Yup. I had to go to court on my ACR, too. Defense tried to say he was an EDP, but the call type wasn't EDP 7. The prosecutor and the defense played merry hob with that.

Jury brought him in guilty in one day, if memory serves.

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Re:Does JayzeeBMT know this guy?

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jul 1 16:14:35 2020, in response to Re:Does JayzeeBMT know this guy?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 15:52:42 2020.

No kidding, i wasn't even going to point that out as I don't know h ow NYPD recruits. I know the southern states come to the college career fairs.

You got Bauman talking about police academy and jayzeebmt's protestors claiming they're all drop-outs.

Who else claimed everyone was a drop-out before? Oh yea, Nobama!

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 16:23:19 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 15:35:07 2020.

Thatís fine but I donít think we should be shamed because Norway does something different.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 16:25:43 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 15:41:12 2020.

It boils down to overall disregard for authority and lack of respect for authority.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 1 17:04:55 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jul 1 15:55:58 2020.

No just Chicago, but the whole country.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 17:18:04 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 17:43:34 2020.

You are such a whiney cunt. Botham jean was not interacting with police. He was interacting with a neighbor who happened to be a cop. Why cant you get that through your thick shit covered skull

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 17:21:12 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 1 17:18:04 2020.

WTF? He wasn't interacting with her at all.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jul 1 17:48:14 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 1 17:04:55 2020.

ALL 50 STATES STOP ALL OF THIS

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 1 17:56:59 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jun 30 17:21:30 2020.

I can't understand why you still persist in saying Guyger and Jean were having a relationship or affair.

Because that way he can claim she wasn't a police officer who acted with incredible rashness most likely because the decedent was black, a scenario which might bring disrepute onto police officers and justify the BLM slogan. In his telling, she's just a criminal who happened to be a police officer.





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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 1 18:03:24 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 1 17:56:59 2020.

Proving once again that cop apologists like him will always find a way to twist the narrative in a way that will favor the police and dismiss the reality of what really happened.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 1 18:15:12 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 1 15:29:29 2020.

the way the people behave in their encounters with the police

If you are a purist, your choice of words illustrates the problem with police training.

en∑coun∑ter: unexpectedly experience or be faced with (something difficult or hostile).

Here's an Atlantic Monthly article from 6 years ago. The author, a former police officer, describes how police training contributes to the high number of people killed by the police.

You will note the article uses the word interaction, not encounter.

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Re: REAL Police Reform

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 1 18:29:43 2020, in response to Re: REAL Police Reform, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 1 15:04:25 2020.

OK

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