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Posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Mar 7 12:46:49 2018 http://nymta.civicconnect.com/Existing  Redesign  Overview of the Staten Island Express Bus Redesign Project March 2018 Last May, the MTA issued its "Reimagining Express Buses" report as part of the Staten Island Bus Study. The report recommended a redesign of the existing express bus network to make trips faster and more reliable for our customers' commutes to and from Manhattan. With the goal of providing our customers with the best possible service, we explored ways to quickly make these improvements reality. MTA expects to launch this redesigned network in August. Extensive data analysis and input from nearly 2,500 riders led to the creation of the redesigned network, which will offer customers travel times that are similar to, or faster than, their trips today, thereby improving their commutes and quality of life. The Plan Customer feedback for these improvements has been overwhelmingly positive. In a survey of more than 1,000 express bus riders, 76 percent of respondents supported the project. Customers also provided additional meaningful input that helped us further refine the redesign. If you want to find out more about the new Staten Island express bus network and add your own feedback, you're invited to our three open houses this month, on March 12, 14 and 22. Scroll down for full details. Under the refined plan, riders will enjoy: Simplified service to Manhattan More direct routes on Staten Island Fewer stops to speed up trips Expanded off-peak and weekend service to Manhattan Streamlined routing to either Midtown or Downtown Manhattan And in response to your feedback, the redesigned plan has been revised even further to include direct service to the following locations: West Street and Battery Park City Two new routes will travel directly from the Hugh L. Carey Tunnel to Battery Park City and West Street, one from the North Shore and one from the South Shore and Mid-Island. Greenwich Village and SoHo The two new routes that serve Battery Park City and West Street will continue north, serving SoHo and Greenwich Village. Water Street Three routes will travel directly from the Hugh L. Carey Tunnel to Water Street in the Financial District, with options from the North Shore, South Shore, and Mid-Island. 6th Avenue Two routes will travel northbound on 6th Avenue to Central Park South, one from the North Shore and one from the South Shore and Mid-Island. Expanded off-peak and Weekend Service in Manhattan Under this plan, off-peak and weekend service will be expanded to areas of Staten Island that do not currently have it. Since travel destinations in Manhattan are more widespread in off-peak hours, three off-peak and weekend routes will provide combination Downtown and Midtown service, also making limited stops in SoHo, Greenwich Village, and Chelsea. One new off-peak and weekend route from the South Shore will provide service to Downtown. Find My Route Trying to find which new route is best for you? Here are the new routes that riders of each current route will most likely switch to depending on their destination: Current Routes New Routes X1 SIM1 / SIM7 / SIM10 / SIM22 X2 SIM6 / SIM10 X3 SIM1 / SIM5 / SIM7 X4 SIM1 / SIM5 / SIM7 X5 SIM6 / SIM10 / SIM22 X7 SIM5 / SIM6 / SIM7 / SIM10 X8 SIM5 X9 SIM6 / SIM7 / SIM10 X10 SIM3 / SIM31 / SIM32 / SIM33 / SIM35 X11 SIM32 X12 SIM3 / SIM30 / SIM34 X14 SIM3 / SIM30 / SIM35 X15 SIM15 X17 SIM2 / SIM4 / SIM8 / SIM22 / SIM23 / SIM24 X17A SIM4 X17J SIM8 X19 SIM2 X21 SIM22 X22 SIM25 / SIM26 X23 SIM23 / SIM24 / SIM25 X24 SIM23 / SIM24 X30 SIM30 X31 SIM31 X42 SIM3 / SIM30 Want More Info? Come To Our Three Open Houses Monday, March 12 Regina McGinn Education Center Staten Island University Hospital 475 Seaview Ave (at Mason Ave). 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. Wednesday, March 14 Elks Lodge No. 841 3250 Richmond Avenue (across the street from Eltingville Transit Center) 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. Thursday, March 22 All Saints' Episcopal Church 2329 Victory Boulevard at Woolley Avenue 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. New Network Maps Here are maps showing the new weekday peak network, off-peak and weekend network and individual route maps with bus stop locations: Weekday Peak Network Map http://nymta.civicconnect.com/sites/default/files/map-new-peak-express-network.pdf Off-peak and Weekend Network Map http://nymta.civicconnect.com/sites/default/files/map-new-off-peak-express-network.pdf Individual Route Maps with Bus Stop Locations http://nymta.civicconnect.com/sites/default/files/map-all-routes.pdf |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Mar 7 13:29:09 2018, in response to SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Mar 7 12:46:49 2018. Finally, the MTA SI express bus plan has been released. But this not the 'final' plan. There are sure to be changes following the three public hearings and the input of the Boro President and SI council members. As for the peculiar 'SIM' route numbers, they might be temporary as all the other MTA (not MTA Bus) express routes carry an 'X#' designation.I've combined all the MTA map pdfs and the SI Advance story into one pdf - MTA express bus proposals 03-07-2018 (pdf) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 7 14:23:57 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by Dan on Wed Mar 7 13:29:09 2018. Yeah, SIM, really? If they want to use that sort of nomenclature, it should just be "SM", anyway. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Mar 7 17:24:14 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 7 14:23:57 2018. SMH at the fact that they're using SIM :p |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Mar 7 18:09:12 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Mar 7 17:24:14 2018. Kind of pointless but the kind of thing that bureaucrats love to create. The 'X' system has worked for years. 'SIM1C' is more complicated than 'X1C' and takes up more space on the electronic signs. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed Mar 7 23:37:41 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by Dan on Wed Mar 7 18:09:12 2018. I can see some merit to going to SIM from X. If every borough uses X, it can be confusing or difficult for newcomers/visitors to determine which express bus goes where they want. Using only BM, BxM, QM, and SIM makes it clear it's an interborough bus route to Manhattan, and also allows the use of the same number. Now they can have SIM1, QM1, and BxM1 at the same time, instead of having to worry about what X-numbers are available and having them overlap between boroughs. X22 is a Staten Island bus, X27 and X28 are Brooklyn routes, X30 is SI again, and X37 is Brooklyn again. |
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Posted by BusRider on Thu Mar 8 08:33:58 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Mar 7 23:37:41 2018. Assuming they will change local service from S to SI. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 8 08:56:14 2018, in response to SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Mar 7 12:46:49 2018. Any word on whether there will continue to be a stop for one of these routes at 86th St in Brooklyn at certain times? |
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Posted by Dan on Thu Mar 8 09:17:01 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 8 08:56:14 2018. No specifics down to that detail level yet. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Mar 8 19:37:50 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 7 14:23:57 2018. Agreed on that point. That "I" will create some confusion. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Mar 9 10:24:46 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by kcram3500 on Wed Mar 7 23:37:41 2018. SIM makes sense, it is clearly something new and different. However, is there a bank of numbers they can use that isn't in use by the local routes but also doesn't overlap with the existing set of routes? Unless most X1 passengers are on the new SIM1, I feel as if the new numbering can be confusing. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 9 13:06:03 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Mar 9 10:24:46 2018. The Staten Island buses run from S40 to S98, with some not in use, so there is no overlap with the numbers.There were a couple of proposals for a North Shore busway (utilizing the abandoned Staten Island Railway ROW) that called for an S1 and S2, but that's been it. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 13:26:16 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 9 13:06:03 2018. AFAIK, before the birth of the X37 and 38 there was a time when no X number overlapped with a corresponding local number of the specific borough in question.Since then, the Q65A was renumbered to Q64 and broke the "rule" in Queens too. To this day, there is no M25, M90, M92, Q51, or B29. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Mar 9 14:17:45 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 9 13:06:03 2018. He's referring to the fact that the current express system runs from X1 to X42 (obviously with some missing numbers), while the new system runs from SIM1 to SIM35 (again, with some missing numbers).For example, if somebody in Manhattan sees the SIM10, they might assume it runs along the route of the present-day X10, and then end up shocked when they make the turn onto Hylan Blvd to head towards the South Shore. |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Mar 9 17:31:44 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Mar 9 14:17:45 2018. People will learn what the new route numbers are, which is why they should retain the 'X#' system. Commuters got used to the x1 through x9 Hylan Blvd express bus route numbers in 1991 when the old x11 and x13 network was reworked and renumbered. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Fri Mar 9 19:19:00 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by Dan on Fri Mar 9 17:31:44 2018. The idea of eliminating the "X" is so that even if you make a mistake, you're at least headed to the right borough. If you take the BxM1 instead of the BxM2, you're still going to the Bronx and you can probably make an easier connection to the specific location you wanted. If you mistakenly take the X27 instead of the X22, you're headed for Brooklyn instead of Staten Island. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 10 01:48:10 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 13:26:16 2018. There was a B29. It predates the B29X/X29. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 10 08:14:17 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by kcram3500 on Fri Mar 9 19:19:00 2018. But to add a seemingly-unnecessary letter ("i") to a route designation is a bit bewildering, unless it becomes normal to refer to it with a word, e.g. the sim 1, the sim 2, etc. It saves a syllable over the S-M-1, the S-M-2, etc. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 10 09:33:11 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 10 08:14:17 2018. It’ll be SIM city! |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Mar 13 02:04:49 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 9 13:26:16 2018. I think the X37/38 and X42 were all created around 2001 or so. I could be wrong, though. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Mar 13 07:59:00 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Mar 13 02:04:49 2018. Correct. The numbering scheme was "ignored" after 9/11. |
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Posted by dkupf on Tue Mar 20 17:42:33 2018, in response to SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Mar 7 12:46:49 2018. Checkmatethechamp13, don't get me wrong. Except for the personal digs at me, I don't disagree with you; you make a lot of valid points.But, I don't agree with you either. For any service proposal, we must to know ALL of the positive impacts and ALL of the negative impacts in order to determine the correct actions to take. But, I'm still skeptical. Usually, NYCT's service planners refuse to negotiate with communities when their ideas meet opposition. And, therefore, present their ideas on a take-it-or-leave-it basis. Which is why we New Yorkers have to keep up the pressure during the last Open House, and eventual public hearing, in order for the service planners to continue refining this proposal to further minimize the negative impacts and further maximize the positive impacts. Which is not much to ask. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 20 18:44:24 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by dkupf on Tue Mar 20 17:42:33 2018. One of the stories told when I was in the schedule office is the response our rep would give whenever a local politician would call regarding a service enhancement. Our rep would respond that it would be possible but if implemented it would jeopardize the existing fare structure. That would be the last we would hear from that person on the subject. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Mar 20 21:09:20 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by dkupf on Tue Mar 20 17:42:33 2018. The plan presented at the March 2018 meeting is completely different from the plan presented at the October 2017 meeting. As a Staten Island resident who uses the express buses, I think the MTA/Operations Planning did a good job compromising with the residents at the last meeting. They routed some buses down West Street and into Greenwich Village, down Water Street, and up 6th Avenue. They maintained the routing of the Great Kills express buses to provide better coverage, as opposed to straightening them out as originally planned. And they maintained service to Greenwich Village & Midtown on the weekends and off-peak (despite the fact that it was not in the best interest of the riders, it was a common complaint and so they gave in).I do agree that they should've actually published the analysis in their report. But the rush hour plan is still relatively solid. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Mar 21 01:11:05 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 20 18:44:24 2018. LOL |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Wed Mar 21 17:57:11 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Mar 20 21:09:20 2018. The SIM2 should be extended to Midtown & renumbered as SIM2c off peak & weekends. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Mar 22 00:46:29 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by Chicago44 on Wed Mar 21 17:57:11 2018. No it shouldn't. On the weekends, Midtown traffic is usually a root cause of delays. Within Staten Island it should be routed via Victory & Richmond north of Travis to maintain the nonstop ride via the length of the SIE bus lane for riders boarding in Bulls Head during off-peak hours.Also, I think there should at least be off-peak short-turns Downtown on the SIM1/3/4 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 22 13:39:52 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Mar 20 21:09:20 2018. I agree. Nowadays, I use the X11 to/from work, and my wife and I use the x10 weekends. I'm glad that weekend/off peak service will be maintained in Chelsea, Greenwich Village, and SoHo. We go to all of those places.The off peak SIM4c is basically a merger of the x10 and x17. Harder hit by this will be the folks who use the stops at Targee and Richmond Road- they will have no weekend service. I realize the 4c will probably be too crowded to pick them up, and skipping those stops will definitely make our (me and the Mrs.)ride better. But the people there don't deserve to lose service. Maybe the SIM3c could be routed similarly to the SIM 35 on weekends- continue along Victory Blvd to Clove Road, and make all stops to fingerboard Road? I have submitted an online comment about this via the online mailbox the MTA set up. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 22 13:46:37 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by Dan on Wed Mar 7 13:29:09 2018. I think overall, this plan is good, especially the reorganization on the South Shore. The present service plan is a confusing mess, and the new one will present well-organized downtown and Midtown service. Good going!! (I used to live down there - now I'm in Mid-Island/Willowbrook).I think providing weekend service on the sIM2, as well as downtown service all the way to Tottenville (also the SIM2) is great. But I think they've gone overboard eliminating stops on SI. yes, definitely a few can go- but, for example, the x17/A/C stop at Richmond/Morani (Merrill) is busy - I see it when I go jogging around 6:00 AM. And the nearby stops at Lander and Victory are already crowded- and too narrow for more people to wait there safely. I suspect political pressure will force the restoration of most of the eliminated stops. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Mar 22 16:11:49 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 22 13:39:52 2018. That's a good point. Instead of running down to the SIE and exiting at Clove, it can take Clove Road down and provide some coverage in Sunnyside as well.BTW, with the Morani Street stop, I think they tried to reduce the ridership by having it stop further north (the X17 used to stop directly in front of Walgreens with the local buses. Now it stops by the bank, which brings it closer to the Yona/Lander Avenue stop). In general, I agree that the express stops aren't unreasonably close together, but at the same time, I don't think it was unreasonable to remove a few stops. What I don't like is that the express bus stops are often different from the limited stops (look at the X14 stops on Forest vs. the S98 stops. You might reduce "overcrowding" at the stops, but at the same time, people can't use the limited or express as a backup. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 23 06:58:22 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Mar 22 16:11:49 2018. Also, the new SIM 33 will stop SI-bound (PM trips, I suppose) at Richmond/Hillman Avenues, but the AM trip will stop on Christopher Lane, at Croton St (near the far side of Stop and Shop and the senior living facility- old SI Hotel).I can understand they've done this to eliminate the really bad left turn that the current X10/X10B make (when traveling to Manhattan) at Richmond and Victory- but walking to Christopher/Croton will be very tricky on dark, icy, winter mornings. For this trick of having the work-bound and home-bound trips so far apart, they should try to work with the shopping center to create a small Park and Ride. Alternatively, and even preferably, they should work with DOT to permit buses to turn left from Richmond onto Morani. This way the SIM 33, traveling in both directions, could stop at Lander Avenue (or Hillman, which is close by) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 23 07:10:09 2018, in response to SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Mar 7 12:46:49 2018. I went to the Open House at the church at Woolley/Bradley last night. The MTA staff there were polite and seemed reasonably receptive to some of the points I made. I was also pleased that everyone I saw in attendance also seemed well-behaved.. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 23 10:26:12 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Mar 22 16:11:49 2018. On Union Tpke in Queens, the QM6 acts very differently from the Q46 Limited in spots. For example, on the QM6 there are stops at 211 St and 193 St, but it skips both Springfield Blvd and Francis Lewis Blvd. I always thought it had to do with where the most residences are (as opposed to commercial spots), but I never really knew. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Mar 23 17:40:01 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 23 06:58:22 2018. The only thing is that the whole eastbound stretch of Victory from Richmond to CSI is one big traffic jam during the AM rush hour, so that one extra block from Morani to Christopher Lane might is that much more traffic the buses have to deal with.As it is right now, the X17A/J have a monopoly on rush hour riders in that area, due to the fact that they travel directly onto the Staten Island Expressway. Even though the X10B serves West Street & Greenwich Village, most riders prefer to just take the X17 and transfer if necessary. So I think they're thinking of the stop locations along the lines of "While we're passing through, we might as well stop here" as opposed to serving any real demand, with the core SIM33 riders coming from the Willowbrook/Castleton Corners area, and to a lesser extent, Graniteville/Mariners Harbor/Arlington. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Mar 23 17:42:11 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 22 13:39:52 2018. Also, the good thing for you guys is that the frequency will increase. They said they will be sure to schedule sufficient service to meet demand, and since they're basically taking the busiest portions of the X10 & X17 and merging them, the resultant route will likely have to run on X1-style frequencies. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Mar 24 15:30:13 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Mar 23 17:42:11 2018. That would be helpful- especially since, as we've discussed, the SIM4c is a merger of the x10 & x17. While both are often (though not always) lightly used on weekends, combining them, especially for when thy do get busy, will require more frequent service. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Mar 24 15:36:03 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 23 10:26:12 2018. Well, I suppose that would make sense. Most express bus riders are going between home in an outer borough and a destination (work or school) in Manhattan. Few people are using them as premium local buses in Queens, SI, BK or BX. Although I have seen is happen- there are some destinations that'd be very hard to reach by local bus.For example, to reach Concord or Grasmere from Willowbrook or Bulls Head. Right now, during off-peak hours, the X10 will do the trick, albeit at a higher fare. I know this is something the MTA does not encourage, but I've seen people do it. For better or worse, the new SIM4C will prevent it. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Mar 25 00:15:01 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Mar 24 15:36:03 2018. I brought that up at the meeting and said that as a matter of fact, I would be taking the S79 to the X10 to go home because the S93 doesn't stop near Richmond Avenue (especially westbound).So I said that they should consider at least a few local bus changes as part of this restructuring (better service on the S53/93 to compensate for the lack of a Concord or Arrochar stop on the SIM4c, and better coverage on the South Shore (since Woodrow between Arden & Arthur Kill is a fairly large area to be left completely isolated like that). |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 25 07:31:37 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Mar 24 15:36:03 2018. I've seen it happen within Manhattan even - people who don't want to use the subway and just want a comfortable ride down Broadway or the like. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Mar 25 13:06:37 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 25 07:31:37 2018. I remember one time I had a little tutoring gig by 23rd & 2nd. Rather than take the M15 to South Ferry and walking up to Battery Place (or walking or taking the M23 to Park Avenue where I could either catch the subway or X10/17 directly) I took a BM route (usually the BM3) to Battery Place. Granted express-express transfers are free anyway but I could see somebody who wants something between a cab and local bus taking it (after all the X25/90 used to run between Peter Cooper Village and Downtown continuing to GCT and Yorkville respectively. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 25 16:06:58 2018, in response to Re: SI Express Bus Study March 2018, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Mar 23 17:40:01 2018. You're probably right. I've made no attempt to actually observe things. but having once lived in New Springville, if I was going to Battery Park City, I'd take the X17/17A and walk. If I was going to Greenwich Village in rush hour, I'd take the X17A and get the subway at Rector Street. If I'd ever lived in Bulls Head, (which I have not), I'd do the same.So I tend to agree that "core" X10B/SIM 33 riders probably don't start using the bus until it gets to South Gannon Avenue.. |
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