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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:34:33 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 17:05:54 2016.

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I said I am not the one calling it a 24 hour proposal because IT IS IN FACT A 24 HOUR PROPOSAL. I am merely stating what it is. You are trying to make it appear that I was the one who decided it was a 24 hour proposal.

And as far as my statement saying "Peak periods certainly do require the lane", all that I meant is that there is enough traffic during the peak period to perhaps justify an exclusive bus lane but with exceptions to include HOV which has been my position all along. I just can't keep repeating that each time.

However in no way does that statement infer that COUNTS FOR THE PEAK HOUR is all that is needed to justify a proposal in effect for an additional 23 hours.

Wrong. There is need to look at hours other than what you specified. While there may not be a loss of LOS at 3 AM, there certainly would be on a Sunday evening at 9 PM when Woodhaven still has moderately flowing traffic. There is no reason to turn a moderate flow into a heavy flow when no bus riders would benefit increasing trip times and air pollution by more stop and go.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 17 17:40:55 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 16:59:39 2016.

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No transfers described in the preceding post involve going through Atlantic.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:47:54 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 17:18:08 2016.

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You said yourself that you aren't going to bother getting into details. That makes it "general".

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:51:50 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 17:20:20 2016.

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If the word "public" goes without saying, it wouldn't be part of the legal definition. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE HOW YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BE RIGHT AND WON'T ADMIT A SIMOLE ERROR.

But you never fail to ask everyone else to admit every single mistake like you asked me to apologize for somehow typing "Williamsburg" when everyone else knew I meant "Manhattan".

People always make mistakes when typing in a hurry when trying to keep up with incessant attacks from a few people.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:58:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 17:26:59 2016.

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I don't know what you call a traditional travel pattern. I wouldn't call the weekend shopping peak at Metropolitan or moderate traffic where all four lanes are moderately used in both directions on Saturday and Sunday evenings north of Metroploitan at least "traditional travel patterns".

I wouldn't call much heavier traffic in November and December and much lighter traffic in July and August typical of most roadways.

Woodhaven has travel patterns typical to Woodhaven which is why you can't responsibly design a 24/7 change only by looking at peak hour data or only the other periods you mentioned that may not include various weekend demand.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 18:03:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:47:54 2016.

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The details aren't necessary to show that you are wrong.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 18:05:40 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:51:50 2016.

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Having or not having the word public is irrelevant in the context of the "Wickipedia" discussion. Typing the wrong bridge name is 150% relevant to the context of that other discussion. That's the difference.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 18:08:40 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:58:08 2016.

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If traffic conditions will still be acceptable during the peak hours of the furniture condition, then why would you need to check to see if traffic conditions would still be acceptable in other hours that you know have less traffic than the peak hours?

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 18:09:18 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:58:08 2016.

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If traffic conditions will still be acceptable during the peak hours of the future* condition, then why would you need to check to see if traffic conditions would still be acceptable in other hours that you know have less traffic than the peak hours?

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 22:26:32 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:18:14 2016.

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And how could you possibly know that?

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 22:27:47 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:21:27 2016.

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LOL. More anecdotes. You really do hate real data.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 22:29:35 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:23:57 2016.

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One hour counts, provided such is from the peak load period, are certainly more than enough to work with to figure out if a plan is going to work.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 22:33:16 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 16:53:27 2016.

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"So you are saying because she wasn't speaking loud enough so others could hear, it was okay for her to lie to me."
I imagine many people are disturbed by somebody agressive who is rambling on and on with obvious cognitive issues.

"Sorry, but a responsible bureaucratic official should never intentionally lie."
I suspect you gave them little choice.

"Further, she publicly stated that they will decide how much further they want to take the project once the results from Phase 1 were in. That certainly sounds like Phase 2 is not a given."
There is no serious doubt that phase 1 will be successful.

"And your quote from the study conveniently omits the sentence directly following:
"However, it does allow us to identify the potential scope of the transportation impact that reactivation could have."
Or the estimates they make of between 150,000 to 500,000 who could potentially benefit from the rail line."
Except it does not comment on the fact that there is no feasible way to connect it to manhattan, which severely reduces the possible ridership.

"You are attempting to mislead here just as you were attempting to mislead Spider Pig by minimizing that removing general traffic lanes for considerable distances is a major feature of the SBS plan. He never asked if it was universal or not, so don't try to change the context. You responded as if it were a minor unimportant feature if the plan, just like DOT made it appear at their presentations that bus lanes would appear out of thin air, never specifically verbally stating where they would come from. You will find nothing in their written reports about REMOVING traffic lanes from general traffic."
No. I am not misleading at all. I did not respond as if it were not substantial. I responded exactly as I responded.




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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 22:34:07 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 16:56:30 2016.

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Then edit the wikipedia article if you have a problem with the phrasing.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 17 23:25:39 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:23:57 2016.

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One hour counts are needed for a proposal in effect for one hour and much more data is needed for a proposal in effect 24/7. I am not going to insist you need 24 hour counts because 21 hour counts would probably be just as good.

Your education in transportation planning Wickipedia never covered the concept of Design Hourly volume? Roadways are typically designed to accommodate traffic volumes during the 30th highest hour of the year, which is usually equivalent to an average weekday evening peak hour somewhere between 4:00 and 6:00. Roadways are not generally designed to shape-shift throughout the day as volumes fluctuate, unless there's an extreme case like a highly directional peak that warrants a reversible lane.

No need to settle for 21 hour counts. Counts for Woodhaven are readily available for a 120 to 144 hour period.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 23:36:22 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 17 23:25:39 2016.

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Good post.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by fdtutf on Fri Mar 18 10:19:01 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:21:27 2016.

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No you ASSUME more people were helped.

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Correct. The MTA will never release data to show more were helped than were hurt because that data will not exist. What they will do is release a few selective data like a few people going between two points, show how those people were helped, and then ask you to make the assumption that most everyone was helped.


I'm so glad you yourself are free of any assumptions that might blind you to the truth.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by fdtutf on Fri Mar 18 10:26:00 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 22:26:32 2016.

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[movie trailer announcer voice]
In a world where assuming is knowing...
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 10:37:35 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 17 23:25:39 2016.

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But do you agree that counts just for one peak hour without midday, evening or weekend counts is sufficient to justify a change to be in effect 24/7?

That is what we are arguing about.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 10:54:31 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Fri Mar 18 10:19:01 2016.

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I am not blind to anything. If the MTA ever issues data to prove more were helped than were hurt by this proposal, I will be the first to admit that I was wrong.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 10:59:39 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 22:27:47 2016.

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Wrong. I love data. In my 33 year career I have produced numerous technical reports using all sorts of data.

You are the one who hates data. Have you ever produced even one single report with data? You even ask me to find the data to support your case as well as mine.

All you have to do is assume, believe, deny and insult.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 11:00:30 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 22:29:35 2016.

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We will see if our resident engineer agrees with that. I posed that question to him.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 11:08:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 22:33:16 2016.

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"I imagine.."

That's right. Just keep imagining.

Not only will Phase 1 not be successful, it may even have to be ripped up with the bus lanes moved to the service roads.

"There is no serious doubt that Phase 1 will be successful."

Of course that does not preclude DOT trying to make it appear to be a success.

In your opinion there is no feasible way to connect it to Manhattan. Others disagree. Even with a transfer, it will still be much quicker than SBS.

Yes you responded exactly like you responded which was to minimize the most major aspect of the plan in order to mislead.

The real Lincoln may have been "honest Abe" but you are no honest Lincoln.



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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 11:09:04 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 11:00:30 2016.

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His statement makes such very clear.
Planning for the 30th busiest hour of the year is a standard used. That would logically be one of the busier peak hours.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 11:28:45 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 10:59:39 2016.

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"Wrong. I love data. In my 33 year career I have produced numerous technical reports using all sorts of data."
And they were bad enough that you got punted from department to department.

"You are the one who hates data. Have you ever produced even one single report with data?"
Yes! Many.

"You even ask me to find the data to support your case as well as mine."
I don't expect any data from you. If you tried to provide any without a valid source, I wouldn't believe it either, as you have proven yourself unreliable with regards to any sort of data whatsoever.

"All you have to do is assume, believe, deny and insult."
Yes, that is pretty clearly your MO.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 11:32:15 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 11:08:52 2016.

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""I imagine.."
That's right. Just keep imagining."
It is not hard to imagine how people would be weary around you.

"Not only will Phase 1 not be successful, it may even have to be ripped up with the bus lanes moved to the service roads.
"There is no serious doubt that Phase 1 will be successful."
Of course that does not preclude DOT trying to make it appear to be a success."
Your doubts aren't serious.

"In your opinion there is no feasible way to connect it to Manhattan."
Correct.

"Others disagree."
They have not explained how it would be possible.

"Even with a transfer, it will still be much quicker than SBS."
Not necessarily.

"Yes you responded exactly like you responded which was to minimize the most major aspect of the plan in order to mislead."
I did not minimize it. My statement would still be accurate and not misleading at all if it was the most major aspect of the project. That said, it is not the most major aspect.


"The real Lincoln may have been "honest Abe" but you are no honest Lincoln."
LOL.

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Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs''

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 11:42:47 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 11:32:15 2016.

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As I stated, you are just imagining.

They certainly have explained how it would be feasible if only you would look around. It's all there at QPTC.org



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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 18 11:43:36 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 10:37:35 2016.

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No, that's not what we're arguing about.

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Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs''

Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 11:45:11 2016, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 11:42:47 2016.

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Except they have not done so.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:04:06 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 11:09:04 2016.

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What would be one of the busier peak hours? Saturday evening at 9 PM?

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 12:13:06 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:04:06 2016.

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Theoretically possible, but highly unlikely.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:18:09 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 11:28:45 2016.

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"And they were bad enough that got you punted from department to department."

A total lie!

I worked seven years at the Department of City Planning all in the Transportation division. Not punted anywhere and I was the force behind getting many of my proposals implemented. Every other City Planning study before just remained on the shelf because the agency did nit believe it was their job to implement anything, but only to recommend.

Then based on that excellent work involving much data collection, I was hired by the MTA to salvage the data that was previously sabotaged by temporary employees. The data was salvaged and many proposals were suggested but my boss didn't like them because they didn't incident a direct bus route from his house to the office so he would not have to stand on the subway in the morning. Yes, he really believed in data. Data that served him personally.

When I wouldn't cave into his demands, yes I was transferred once to inventory control. I was transferred again after I told my superiors that the work was too boring for me. Then I spent three successful years in Contract. When I was offered a promotion and transfer from one of former bosses, my boss blocked the transfer for three months because I was too valuable for her because she didn't want to leave me.

My next offer came from the Assistant to the Executive Vice President who I continued to work for my final 12 years until I retired, although I was not happy there either.

Every time I tried to leave, he would block it and said to my face, "you will work for me until you retire.". And he turned out to be right.

So your theory is entirely wrong because you are making wild assumptions and are not looking at facts or data.





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Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs''

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:19:41 2016, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 11:45:11 2016.

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They have done whatever they could do in the absence of funding for a feasibility study which now may become reality.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:20:19 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 18 11:43:36 2016.

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Was I talking to you?

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 12:33:46 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:20:19 2016.

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This is an open forum, not email.

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Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs''

Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 12:37:02 2016, in response to Re: More Woodhaven Blvd bullcarp by ''CityLabs'', posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:19:41 2016.

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Feasibility studies do not make things reality when they show things are unfeasible.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by fdtutf on Fri Mar 18 12:37:13 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:18:09 2016.

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Boy, that Assistant to the EVP did yeoman's service.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 18 12:38:50 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:18:09 2016.

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I worked seven years at the Department of City Planning all in the Transportation division. Not punted anywhere and I was the force behind getting many of my proposals implemented. Every other City Planning study before just remained on the shelf because the agency did nit believe it was their job to implement anything, but only to recommend.
Is there anyone who can corroborate all of that?

Then I spent three successful years in Contract. When I was offered a promotion and transfer from one of former bosses, my boss blocked the transfer for three months because I was too valuable for her because she didn't want to leave me.
Can she corroborate that? That you were too awesome to let leave?

My next offer came from the Assistant to the Executive Vice President who I continued to work for my final 12 years until I retired, although I was not happy there either.

Every time I tried to leave, he would block it and said to my face, "you will work for me until you retire.". And he turned out to be right.
Can he corroborate that? That he liked you so much he wouldn't let you leave?

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:39:10 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 12:33:46 2016.

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I realize that. But he often or should I say most times, has nothing to contribute.

He only diverts the subject to confuse.

I am still waiting for a response from an engineer.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 18 12:41:55 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:39:10 2016.

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LOL! You don't think you may have already received responses from one or more engineers??

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 18 12:42:23 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:20:19 2016.

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Was I talking to you?
Is your name chicagomotorman?

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 12:48:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 12:39:10 2016.

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The engineer you are referring to answered the question in the post to which you responded to when you asked the question.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 18 12:59:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 18:09:18 2016.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 18 12:59:24 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 17 18:08:40 2016.

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If traffic conditions will still be acceptable during the peak hours of the furniture condition, then why would you need to check to see if traffic conditions would still be acceptable in other hours that you know have less traffic than the peak hours?

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 18 12:59:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:51:50 2016.

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Having or not having the word public is irrelevant in the context of the "Wickipedia" discussion. Typing the wrong bridge name is 150% relevant to the context of that other discussion. That's the difference.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 18 13:00:10 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:47:54 2016.

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The details aren't necessary to show that you are wrong.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 18:33:09 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 18 12:48:08 2016.

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He said you plan for the 30th hour. He said nothing about data for one peak hour was all that was necessary to justify a change for 24/7 which was what you were saying.

Are you afraid he won't agree with you?

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 18:34:01 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 18 13:00:10 2016.

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I think you are bumping your head a little too much.

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 18:36:16 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 18 12:59:24 2016.

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Are you still bumping your head? I told you not to do that.

Anyway I don't know what a "furniture condition" is. Oh please enlighten me brilliant one?

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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Mar 18 18:37:34 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 18 18:33:09 2016.

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Um.........…

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