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Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 16:56:23 2016 Here |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 19:16:46 2016, in response to Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 16:56:23 2016. Sign the petition against SBS on Woodhaven here |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jan 18 19:57:22 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 19:16:46 2016. Or we could not sign anti transit petitions, and not rally against transit improvements based on a poser's absurd suppositions! |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 18 21:26:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Jan 18 19:57:22 2016. Or we could not sign anti transit petitions, and not rally against transit improvements based on a poser's absurd suppositions!WiN |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 18 21:27:22 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 19:16:46 2016. Sign the petition against SBS on WoodhavenWhy should we sign it? What if we are pro-SBS on Woodhaven? |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 18 21:47:55 2016, in response to Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 16:56:23 2016. That's...embarrassing. Furthermore, why don't you run your ideas and talking points through BusChat beforehand so we can weed out everything incorrect and wrong? |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jan 18 23:41:55 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 18 21:47:55 2016. If your goal is to propagate a weed, weeding is counterproductive! |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 18 23:55:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Jan 18 23:41:55 2016. Lay off the weed. BusChat is serious business. And Woodhaven SBS even more so! Think of all the left turns! |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 19 13:33:05 2016, in response to Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 16:56:23 2016. Excuse me, but I was addressing this post to the intelligent people here, not those who just want to hear themselves talk and have no interest in learning anything new that might cause them to reformulate their opinions. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 19 13:44:04 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 19 13:33:05 2016. I was addressing this post to the intelligent people here, not those who just want to hear themselves talk and have no interest in learning anything new that might cause them to reformulate their opinionsPosted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 19 13:33:05 2016, in response to...posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 16:56:23 2016. Then why are you taking to yourself? Are you admitting that you are one of those such people?? |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jan 19 13:46:13 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 19 13:44:04 2016. If someone makes a post that is entirely correct, and logically follows the post it is replying to, why should we not assume the obvious? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 19 13:47:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Jan 19 13:46:13 2016. Works for me! |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Jan 19 14:52:11 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 19 13:33:05 2016. Um, right, because you're world-renowned for your willingness to listen to other points of view and openness to learning new things and changing your mind.WORLD. RENOWNED. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 19 19:17:26 2016, in response to Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 16:56:23 2016. No. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 20 20:13:14 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Tue Jan 19 14:52:11 2016. I certainly am open minded but sorry to say you haven't been able to get me to support the ridiculous 25 mph speed limit or the over exaggeration of dangers to pedestrians or other ridiculous nonsense perpetuated by DOT like we need SBS on Queens Boulevard because it is so dangerous. The truth is there wasn't a single traffic fatality there in 2015. They also claim we need SBS on Queens Blvd to reduce crowding on the Queens Bouevard subway. How much subway crowding do you think SBS will reduce?Maybe when DOT starts making some sense instead of spewing ridiculous and contradictory nonsense, maybe then I will change my views. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 20 20:13:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 19 19:17:26 2016. No to what? |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jan 20 21:25:38 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 20 20:13:14 2016. LOL.Nobody cares if you support a 25 MPH speed limit. It is an undeniable fact that lowering the speed limit saves lives. Many lives. Every year. Much like it is an undeniable fact that the Woodhaven bus lanes won't reduce capacity by 50% or even 25%. How can you expect to be taken seriously when nearly everything you say is wrong? How can you expect that anybody would believe you were ever head of bus planning if you understand nothing about bus operations, statistical analysis, traffic engineering, or even simple algebra? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 21 07:13:39 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Jan 20 21:25:38 2016. Great post. Excellent. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Jan 21 07:44:23 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 20 20:13:14 2016. I certainly am open minded but sorry to say you haven't been able to get me to support the ridiculous 25 mph speed limitThen you, as a former bus planner, advocate speeding and reckless driving. To say that you find is ridiculous to lower the NYC speed limits to 25 MPH (except where a higher speed limits is posted) when you have dealt with bus operations - - whose bus operators deal with dangerous drivers every minute of the day - - is absurd. At best you are more of a automobile advocate than a public transportation advocate. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Jan 21 07:47:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 19:16:46 2016. Never. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 21 08:41:11 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 20 20:13:14 2016. Can you supply one example of your openmindedness? Just one example. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 21 09:30:30 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 19:16:46 2016. I did. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 21 12:56:03 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Jan 20 21:25:38 2016. Well if it is an undeniable fact that the Woodhaven bus lanes won't reduce capacity by 50% or even 25%, why did virtually everyone at that meeting agree with me?Of course you wouldn't know that because your closed mind prevented you from even clicking on the link I posted. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 21 13:05:40 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Jan 21 07:44:23 2016. I certainly do not advocate reckless driving and have often spoke out against that practice. What I have stated is that lowering the speed limit from 30 mph to 25 mph has zero affect on reckless driving which is the cause of many accidents as is turning without taking due care. Neither is related to a ridiculous artificially low speed default sped limit of 25 mph. If a specific streets needs to have a 25, 20, 15 or 10 mph speed limit, by all means do that. But it is insane to lower the speed limit on former 30 and 35 mph arterial streets to 25 mph.Lowering the speed limit on Woodhaven from 35 to 30 and what will be 25 mph slows down buses during the off-peak and costs the MTA extra money. So we need to spend $200 million just so buses can travel as fast as they previously did before the speed limit was lowered after SBS id implemented? Just insane. I am definitely not an automobile advocate over an advocate for public transportation. Just read the hundreds of pro-mass transit articles I wrote and the largest bus route improvements in NYC history I designed and tirelessly fought to get implemented. I am for treating everyone's needs equally, and not ignoring the needs of one segment of the population as DOT is doing. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jan 21 13:40:35 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 21 12:56:03 2016. Obviously it was not a meeting of people who understand traffic or transportation.p.s. I did open the link. It is not particularly surprising that what tend to be anti-transit groups would make anti-transit statements. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 21 21:48:25 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Jan 21 13:40:35 2016. I woudn't call a group proposing a busway an anti-transit group. Woukd you? Or s it that they are just saying things you don't want agree with or raising problems you dont care about because they don't affect you. I would rather accept the opinions of people who would have to live with the plan, than someone like you who is unaffected by it and has nothing at stake. They understand traffic and transportation much better than you do. That much is obvious.The more details that are made known, the more the opposition is growing. Councilman Ullrich, originally a staunch supporter of Wooodhaven SBS has now withdrawn his support. http://www.qchron.com/editions/queenswide/ulrich-flips-stance-on-sbs-it-stinks/article_98c1db02-e25b-58e8-896c-f841faea7044.html |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 21 22:01:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Thu Jan 21 08:41:11 2016. Why do I have the feeling that no matter how I answer, it won't satisfy you?I always weigh both sides of the question before coming to a conclusion and try to put myself in the other person's shoes. If you want something more specific, if you define openmindedness as not being stubborn, I would answer that I have agreed to see Starwars with friends, although am not a fan and don't expect to particularly like it. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jan 21 23:11:17 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 21 21:48:25 2016. "I woudn't call a group proposing a busway an anti-transit group. Woukd you? Or s it that they are just saying things you don't want agree with or raising problems you dont care about because they don't affect you. I would rather accept the opinions of people who would have to live with the plan, than someone like you who is unaffected by it and has nothing at stake. They understand traffic and transportation much better than you do. That much is obvious."Actually, I certainly would call a group proposing a ridiculously expensive and substantially less effective alternative with no chance of being built anti transit! They know what they are proposing has no chance whatsoever of being built! I and others have time and time again demonstrated how nearly every claim of yours about this project is wrong. Just because somebody lives in a neighborhood does not mean they are knowledgeable about transportation issues and how they affect either the local neighborhood or the city as a whole. Additionally, elitist neighborhoods often will fight improvements simply because they want to keep outsiders out. "The more details that are made known, the more the opposition is growing. Councilman Ullrich, originally a staunch supporter of Wooodhaven SBS has now withdrawn his support. " The more details that are made known, the more rational people support it. Wow! you found a spineless politician. Congrats. Woodhaven SBS when it happens will be the greatest improvement in public transportation in many years. (outside of SAS.) Hopefully anti-transit nutjobs like yourself will not be able to derail it. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jan 21 23:14:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 21 22:01:51 2016. Many that very same feeling!You seem completely incapable of making coherent statements. For most of us, being satisfied with an argument requires coherent premises leading to a coherent conclusion. Your arguments tend to involve false premises which furthermore don't have any relevance to the conclusions you make! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 21 23:23:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Jan 21 23:11:17 2016. Why? Why is the Woodhaven SBS so good? I don’t pay attention to most of the bullshit in these threads, so I haven’t really read the good arguments. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 00:20:58 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Jan 21 23:14:51 2016. (First line should read "Many people clearly have that same feeling") |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 00:21:21 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Jan 21 23:14:51 2016. (First line should read "Many people clearly have that same feeling") |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 00:30:46 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 21 23:23:08 2016. In general:1. Faster loading/unloading due to off board fare collection. Faster loading/unloading makes for fewer traffic jams at bus stops. 2. Bus lanes obviously reduce traffic for the buses, but considering that right turns will now be in the service road instead, they won't be blocking the bus lane when turning. Peak hour buses are running at 1.5 minute headways. I think such is more than dense enough to justify bus lanes. 3. Islands will certainly make the streets safer for pedestrians. 4. Traffic Signal preemption makes for faster service on the through buses. 5. Dedicated bus lanes make for ideal emergency response vehicle routes. In addition to all of that, one need not support the project to speak out against the many falsehoods being put out by the OP. While I do support SBS here and elsewhere, I would make the same posts if I did not. BrooklynBus has been making repeated fallacious statements on this topic (and of course others), and such needs to be called out when it happens. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 06:59:15 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 00:30:46 2016. 2. Bus lanes obviously reduce traffic for the buses, but considering that right turns will now be in the service road instead, they won't be blocking the bus lane when turning. Peak hour buses are running at 1.5 minute headways. I think such is more than dense enough to justify bus lanes.You're exaggerating the headways. Here's an excerpt schedule for the combined Q11, Q21, Q52, Q53 northbound between Metropolitan Ave and 63rd Drive. It's from 7 to 9 am. If you count the hourly totals, you see they are running a maximum of 24 buses per hour. That works out to an average headway of 2.5 minute headways. You can cut and paste into a spreadsheet Dataset: 6 - MTABus20151214 - Date: 2016-01-13 - wednesday Route: ('Q53','Q52','Q21','Q11') Direction: 0 From Stop: 550454 - WOODHAVEN BL /METROPOLITAN AV To Stop: 550462 - WOODHAVEN BL /63 DR "trip_id";"departure";"arrival";"duration" "11046443-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"06:56:00";"07:00:00";"00:04:00" "11046614-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"06:57:00";"07:00:30";"00:03:30" "11098225-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"06:59:41";"07:03:51";"00:04:10" "11098226-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:05:41";"07:09:51";"00:04:10" "11047134-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:09:00";"07:13:00";"00:04:00" "11046615-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:10:00";"07:13:30";"00:03:30" "11046444-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:11:00";"07:15:00";"00:04:00" "11098227-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:13:41";"07:17:51";"00:04:10" "11046616-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:18:00";"07:21:30";"00:03:30" "11098228-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:18:41";"07:22:51";"00:04:10" "11098229-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:23:41";"07:27:51";"00:04:10" "11046617-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:25:00";"07:28:30";"00:03:30" "11046548-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:26:00";"07:30:00";"00:04:00" "11098230-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:28:41";"07:32:51";"00:04:10" "11046618-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:33:00";"07:36:30";"00:03:30" "11098231-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:34:41";"07:38:51";"00:04:10" "11047135-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:39:00";"07:43:00";"00:04:00" "11046619-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:40:00";"07:43:30";"00:03:30" "11098232-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:40:41";"07:44:51";"00:04:10" "11046445-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:41:00";"07:45:00";"00:04:00" "11098233-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:46:41";"07:50:51";"00:04:10" "11046620-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:48:00";"07:51:30";"00:03:30" "11098234-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:52:41";"07:56:51";"00:04:10" "11046446-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:53:00";"07:57:00";"00:04:00" "11046621-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:58:00";"08:01:30";"00:03:30" "11098235-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:58:41";"08:02:51";"00:04:10" "11098236-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:04:41";"08:08:51";"00:04:10" "11046545-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:05:00";"08:09:00";"00:04:00" "11046622-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:08:00";"08:11:30";"00:03:30" "11047136-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:09:00";"08:13:00";"00:04:00" "11098237-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:11:41";"08:15:51";"00:04:10" "11046507-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:17:00";"08:21:00";"00:04:00" "11046623-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:18:00";"08:21:30";"00:03:30" "11098238-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:18:41";"08:22:51";"00:04:10" "11098239-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:25:41";"08:29:51";"00:04:10" "11046624-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:28:00";"08:31:30";"00:03:30" "11046508-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:29:00";"08:33:00";"00:04:00" "11098240-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:32:41";"08:36:51";"00:04:10" "11046625-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:38:00";"08:41:30";"00:03:30" "11047137-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:39:00";"08:43:00";"00:04:00" "11098241-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:39:41";"08:43:51";"00:04:10" "11046509-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:41:00";"08:45:00";"00:04:00" "11098242-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:46:41";"08:50:51";"00:04:10" "11046626-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:48:00";"08:51:30";"00:03:30" "11098243-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:53:41";"08:57:51";"00:04:10" "11046510-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:56:00";"09:00:00";"00:04:00" "11046627-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:58:00";"09:01:30";"00:03:30" "11098244-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"09:00:41";"09:04:51";"00:04:10" |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 07:33:14 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 06:59:15 2016. When I developed the application to show running times, I contemplated only a single route. I subsequently added the ability to merge more than a single route. I did not change the output to explicitly show the route id. This had not been a problem because the route usually was in the trip id. This isn't the case for MTA Bus. I've modified my application to show the route, as well. Here's the same data showing the route id.Database: MTABus Dataset: 6 - MTABus20151214 - Date: 2016-01-13 - wednesday Route: ('Q53','Q52','Q21','Q11') Direction: 0 From Stop: 550454 - WOODHAVEN BL /METROPOLITAN AV To Stop: 550462 - WOODHAVEN BL /63 DR "route_id";"trip_id";"departure";"arrival";"duration" "Q52";"11046443-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"06:56:00";"07:00:00";"00:04:00" "Q11";"11046614-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"06:57:00";"07:00:30";"00:03:30" "Q53";"11098225-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"06:59:41";"07:03:51";"00:04:10" "Q53";"11098226-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:05:41";"07:09:51";"00:04:10" "Q21";"11047134-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:09:00";"07:13:00";"00:04:00" "Q11";"11046615-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:10:00";"07:13:30";"00:03:30" "Q52";"11046444-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:11:00";"07:15:00";"00:04:00" "Q53";"11098227-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:13:41";"07:17:51";"00:04:10" "Q11";"11046616-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:18:00";"07:21:30";"00:03:30" "Q53";"11098228-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:18:41";"07:22:51";"00:04:10" "Q53";"11098229-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:23:41";"07:27:51";"00:04:10" "Q11";"11046617-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:25:00";"07:28:30";"00:03:30" "Q52";"11046548-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:26:00";"07:30:00";"00:04:00" "Q53";"11098230-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:28:41";"07:32:51";"00:04:10" "Q11";"11046618-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:33:00";"07:36:30";"00:03:30" "Q53";"11098231-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:34:41";"07:38:51";"00:04:10" "Q21";"11047135-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:39:00";"07:43:00";"00:04:00" "Q11";"11046619-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:40:00";"07:43:30";"00:03:30" "Q53";"11098232-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:40:41";"07:44:51";"00:04:10" "Q52";"11046445-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:41:00";"07:45:00";"00:04:00" "Q53";"11098233-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:46:41";"07:50:51";"00:04:10" "Q11";"11046620-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:48:00";"07:51:30";"00:03:30" "Q53";"11098234-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:52:41";"07:56:51";"00:04:10" "Q52";"11046446-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:53:00";"07:57:00";"00:04:00" "Q11";"11046621-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:58:00";"08:01:30";"00:03:30" "Q53";"11098235-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:58:41";"08:02:51";"00:04:10" "Q53";"11098236-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:04:41";"08:08:51";"00:04:10" "Q52";"11046545-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:05:00";"08:09:00";"00:04:00" "Q11";"11046622-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:08:00";"08:11:30";"00:03:30" "Q21";"11047136-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:09:00";"08:13:00";"00:04:00" "Q53";"11098237-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:11:41";"08:15:51";"00:04:10" "Q52";"11046507-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:17:00";"08:21:00";"00:04:00" "Q11";"11046623-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:18:00";"08:21:30";"00:03:30" "Q53";"11098238-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:18:41";"08:22:51";"00:04:10" "Q53";"11098239-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:25:41";"08:29:51";"00:04:10" "Q11";"11046624-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:28:00";"08:31:30";"00:03:30" "Q52";"11046508-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:29:00";"08:33:00";"00:04:00" "Q53";"11098240-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:32:41";"08:36:51";"00:04:10" "Q11";"11046625-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:38:00";"08:41:30";"00:03:30" "Q21";"11047137-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:39:00";"08:43:00";"00:04:00" "Q53";"11098241-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:39:41";"08:43:51";"00:04:10" "Q52";"11046509-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:41:00";"08:45:00";"00:04:00" "Q53";"11098242-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:46:41";"08:50:51";"00:04:10" "Q11";"11046626-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:48:00";"08:51:30";"00:03:30" "Q53";"11098243-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:53:41";"08:57:51";"00:04:10" "Q52";"11046510-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:56:00";"09:00:00";"00:04:00" "Q11";"11046627-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:58:00";"09:01:30";"00:03:30" "Q53";"11098244-CPPA6-CP_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"09:00:41";"09:04:51";"00:04:10" |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 09:59:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 06:59:15 2016. You are ignoring 4 routes which run on Woodhaven. QM15 QM16 QM17 and BM5. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 10:06:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 09:59:02 2016. (And that is ignoring the not entirely insignificant Q7 Q23 Q41 and QM12) |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 11:45:15 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 09:59:02 2016. You are ignoring 4 routes which run on Woodhaven. QM15 QM16 QM17 and BM5.That wasn't intentional. I want to include all the buses that make stops along the stretch of Woodhaven that recently got bus lanes. Thanks for alerting me to my oversight. Here are the results for the 4 lines you mentioned. I'm sorry I could not include them with the others because according to MTA Bus they are going south. I'm going to have to make a bigger modification to my application to include buses going in opposite directions making the same stop. You will note that only the QM15 and BM5 make these stops. I note there are 12 buses making stop between 7 and 8 am. This brings the total to 36 for an average headway of 100 seconds. That's close enough to the 1.5 minute (90 sec) headway you stated. I stand corrected in my assertion that 1.5 minute headway was an exaggeration. However, still to be determined is what the average time savings is due to the bus lanes. Database: MTABus Dataset: 6 - MTABus20151214 - Date: 2016-01-13 - wednesday Route: ('QM17','QM16','QM15','BM5') Direction: 1 From Stop: 550454 - WOODHAVEN BL /METROPOLITAN AV To Stop: 550462 - WOODHAVEN BL /63 DR "route_id";"trip_id";"departure";"arrival";"duration" "QM15";"11046381-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:03:14";"07:06:28";"00:03:14" "BM5";"11018778-SCPA6-SC_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:08:14";"07:13:00";"00:04:46" "QM15";"11046437-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:11:14";"07:14:28";"00:03:14" "QM15";"11046411-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:19:14";"07:22:28";"00:03:14" "QM15";"11046412-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:25:14";"07:28:28";"00:03:14" "BM5";"11018779-SCPA6-SC_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:28:14";"07:33:00";"00:04:46" "QM15";"11046413-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:31:14";"07:34:28";"00:03:14" "QM15";"11046414-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:37:14";"07:40:28";"00:03:14" "QM15";"11046415-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:43:14";"07:46:28";"00:03:14" "BM5";"11018780-SCPA6-SC_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:48:14";"07:53:00";"00:04:46" "QM15";"11046382-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:49:14";"07:52:28";"00:03:14" "QM15";"11046416-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"07:55:14";"07:58:28";"00:03:14" "QM15";"11046417-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:01:14";"08:04:28";"00:03:14" "QM15";"11046418-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:07:14";"08:10:28";"00:03:14" "BM5";"11018781-SCPA6-SC_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:09:52";"08:15:00";"00:05:08" "QM15";"11046419-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:13:14";"08:16:28";"00:03:14" "QM15";"11046383-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:19:14";"08:22:28";"00:03:14" "QM15";"11046384-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:25:14";"08:28:28";"00:03:14" "BM5";"11018782-SCPA6-SC_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:29:52";"08:35:00";"00:05:08" "QM15";"11046385-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:33:14";"08:36:28";"00:03:14" "QM15";"11046386-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:41:14";"08:44:28";"00:03:14" "BM5";"11018783-SCPA6-SC_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:46:14";"08:51:00";"00:04:46" "QM15";"11046387-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:49:14";"08:52:28";"00:03:14" "QM15";"11046388-FRPA6-FR_A6-Weekday-10-SDon";"08:57:14";"09:00:28";"00:03:14" |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 11:54:56 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 10:06:08 2016. And that is ignoring the not entirely insignificant Q7 Q23 Q41 and QM12None of these routes stops on Woodhaven Blv, let alone the area of interest. I'd wager that makes them highly insignificant. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 13:48:55 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 22 11:54:56 2016. It makes them insignificant for purposes of improving rides for passengers travelling on Woodhaven. The bus lanes on Woodhaven do not however necessarily have an insignificant effect on those routes. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 22 13:55:50 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 00:30:46 2016. I don't agree with the bus lane aspect of the project. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 14:28:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 22 13:55:50 2016. What service density do you think justifies bus lanes? |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 22 14:48:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 14:28:02 2016. I don't agree that it should be the sole criterion. Currently, Woodhaven is a useful through route for traffic, and reducing lanes would make it less so. At the same time, I don't think there is enough traffic most of the time that bus lanes would really speed buses up that much. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 16:03:27 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 22 14:48:48 2016. I respect that although I disagree with it.My view is generally that if there is not enough traffic to require the bus lane, the bus lane will do no harm. If there is enough traffic that a bus lane will snarl traffic, and it is an essential corridor for buses, then the lane is required for the buses to not get blocked in that traffic! |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 22 17:21:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 22 14:48:48 2016. In fact DOT privately admitted to me they expect little improvement in bus running times during off-peak hours.When you consider the lower speed limits added to bus travel times, the best that can happen in the of-peak is that travel times with the new lower speed limit will be the same as the travel times prior to the speed limit reduction. When the speed limit is further lowered to 25 mph (which DOT currently denies they will do, just like they denied they will lower the speed limit on Queens Blvd to 25 mph) bus travel times with exclusive lanes will be lower in the off-peak than they were without the lanes when the speed limit was 35 and 40 mph. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 22 17:26:46 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 16:03:27 2016. You are incorrect because if there is not enough traffic to require a bus lane, it will do harm except perhaps between 2 and 5 AM.If there is enough traffic for an exclusive lane to snarl traffic, it would only be a good idea if more bus passengers woud benefit than those in cars who would be inconvenienced. When you consider that only one out of five who are in motorized vehicles are aboard buses, it is highly likely that more minutes will be lost by motorists than will be gained by bus riders, makes this a poor idea. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 22 17:27:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Jan 21 23:14:51 2016. None of my arguments involve false premises. Show me one. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 22 17:35:34 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Jan 21 23:11:17 2016. Actually, I certainly would call a group proposing a ridiculously expensive and substantially less effective alternative with no chance of being built anti transit! They know what they are proposing has no chance whatsoever of being built!What they are proposing is not ridiculously expensive. It is more effective because it wouldn't cause massive disruption to automobile traffic as DOT's proposal with bus lanes on the center roadway would cause. And since when is improving public transportation the only goal without any consideration for anyone else? If traffic would not be harmed and would even improve as DOT contends, then why have they refused to define the term "reasonable speed" which they say will be maintained for vehicles other than buses. Could it be that they consider an average speed of 10 mph along an 8 mile Woodhaven Blvd Corridor to be a "reasonable speed?" |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 22 17:41:19 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 22 17:21:52 2016. I haven't spoken much about Utica Avenue but I was at a meeting last night and heard a man from Mill Basin speak how residents are up in arms about what the exclusive lanes has done to traffic on Utica Avenue. It has brought traffic to a virtual halt. He also said that Nostrand Avenue and Rogers Avenue merchants are also upset what te lanes have done there and that because of all that merchants on Flatbush Avenue are prepared to lay down on the streets if DOT even thinks of putting exclusive bus lanes on Flatbush Avenue.Just telling you what I have heard. You can dismiss what Woodhaven residents are saying, but you can't dismiss every community that speaks ill of exclusive bus lanes. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 18:10:33 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 22 17:27:52 2016. The most notable one I have seen recently is that Woodhaven SBS is an over 50% capacity reduction.Premise related falsehoods here involve the number of left turns being eliminated being doubled in your artificial count, and the absurd claim that the local lane is not usable for through traffic, which it most certainly is. That is just here. On other topics, you misunderstand what is attributable to SBS in ridership counts and claim ridership went down when it really went up in most of the cases. In the case of the B44, you correctly state it went down, but constantly ignore the fact that it went down slightly less than many of the parallel lines to it. And while such isn't a premise to an argument, you really need to stop saying you were ever the head of bus planning for NYCT. It is blatantly obvious that you never were. |
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