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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jan 23 20:29:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 18:10:33 2016. Don't take what I stated out of context. I never said "Woodhaven SBS is over a 50% capacity reduction" whatever that means.I said that at certain intersections like at Metropolitan Avenue, there are currently four northbound and southbound through lanes. There are also left and right turn lanes. Counting them also, there are six lanes in each direction or a total of 12 lanes. Under DOT's proposal, both right and left turn lanes will be eliminated. The right turn lanes will be replaced with bus bulbs and the left ones with widened medians. That leaves eight lanes, two of which will be bus lanes. So that is six remaining through and local lanes, a reduction of 50 percent from 12 lanes. That is what I said and that woud be a 50 percent reduction in capacity for general traffic at that intersection. I also gave other examples regarding overflow from planned left turn lanes into general traffic lanes blocking them. I never doubled the number of left turns to be banned. I was talking aout left turn movements because at some intersections they would only be allowed in one direction. Previously 23 were planned to be banned. Now I believe it s 21 with a few new ones added. The service lane not being usable for through traffic is not absurd. It is real since every time a car needs to get in and out of a parking spot or make a right turn, cars behind must slow down or stop causing them to miss the synchronized signal. Except for the Bronx routes ridership went down on all the other SBS routes. (The S79 went up, but the S78 which is its local counterpart and should be counted went down so for that route it was a wash.) They also went down at a rate much greater than the borough average. You choose to look at parallel routes instead, so your numbers are different. And no, I do not need to stop saying I was the head of bus planning because it is the truth. I reported to William Stead who reported to Andrew Schiavone who was head of the Surface Department. My official office title was Director, Surface Planning. I had two secretaries, Pat Davis, and Rosemary (i forget her last name.) reporting to me. Six dispatchers: Chief Bernard O'hara, Ed Hines (Bronx), Charles Gioia (Queens), George Batson (Brooklyn), Dan Carone (SI), and Julie Gargani (Manhattan). I also had an engineer, planner, and a community relations person reporting to me. Their names were George Schwarz, Steven Cooperman, and Bill Jones. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Sat Jan 23 20:51:28 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jan 23 20:29:02 2016. The service lane not being usable for through traffic is not absurd. It is real since every time a car needs to get in and out of a parking spot or make a right turn, cars behind must slow down or stop causing them to miss the synchronized signal.That applies to the rightmost through lane on any city street, pretty much. Are all those lanes also "not usable for through traffic"? |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Jan 24 02:59:35 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 18 19:16:46 2016. Absolutely not!! |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 09:17:59 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 22 17:35:34 2016. Many stations which would require either elevators or elaborate ramp systems is ridiculously expensive.Approach roadways to connect on each end which would require property takings is ridiculously expensive. The fact that the busway would completely miss many of the transit connections makes it relatively useless. The fact that the busway would also not serve the Q11/Q21 drops the number of buses using it by a substantial portion. So yes, a project for which you are multiplying the cost by 4X, and reducing the potential ridership by roughly the same is without a doubt ridiculous. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 09:26:41 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Sat Jan 23 20:51:28 2016. Yes, including the rightmost lane on today's Woodhaven Boulevard. Which he considers a functional lane. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 24 11:36:39 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 09:26:41 2016. I was not talking about where the service roads exist. Quit changing the valid point I make in order to propagate your erroneous points. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 24 11:37:46 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Sat Jan 23 20:51:28 2016. Yes, whenever the right lane is blocked by double parking or construction.That des not, however apply to all streets and at all times. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 24 11:46:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 09:17:59 2016. This is why we need a study to find out exactly what those costs are and if it is in fact feasible. Any capital improvement must look at all realistic possibilities in the corridor which DOT failed to do except for considering the ridiculous alternative of a subway along Woodhaven.As far as elevators and ramps, that is an argument to not build any new subways. If they are required at all new or rebuilt stations, why were local stations on the Brighton Line thoroughly rebuilt without elevators and ramps (Ave H, Ave J, Ave M, Ave U, and Neck Road? How was that accomplished? Also will every station on the Sea Beach now get elevators or ramps? |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 12:45:39 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 24 11:46:08 2016. Yes, they did that! Using the Rockaway LIRR ROW is not a realistic possibility, nor does it serve the corridor, so it will never be seriously looked at.Elevators and ramps are required at every NEW station or modified station. If you look at recent rebuilds, you will see that unless wheelchair access is provided, there is no improvement in able access. You can fix without providing ADA compliance, but you cannot expand. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 12:48:40 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 24 11:36:39 2016. But you made no valid point. I am talking about EVERYWHERE. All open traffic lanes are usable EVERYWHERE. Your arguments about the rightmost lane not being useful are absurd because they apply just as much to today's configuration. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Sun Jan 24 13:21:07 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 24 11:37:46 2016. Including Woodhaven Blvd. after it's rebuilt, so what are you bitching about? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Sun Jan 24 13:53:42 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 22 17:26:46 2016. "...aaaaaand I've just set up criteria that ensure that no bus lane would ever be justified. You can all just shut up now and bask in my genius."Not everyone shares your priorities, believe it or not. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 15:06:59 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Sun Jan 24 13:53:42 2016. And furthermore, ridership is quite likely to rise when bus service is greatly improved. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 24 18:11:17 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 12:45:39 2016. The LIRR RoW does not stop every 3 blocks like a bus, but that is not the same as saying it does not serve the corridor. The J train has a use despite the presence of the Q56 under it and Q24 a few blocks away. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 18:21:37 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 24 18:11:17 2016. The LIRR Corridor does not have the subway connections Woodhaven has, Is a substantial distance away from Woodhaven at the north end, and would be difficult to impossible to connect to the necessary roads on each end. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 24 18:30:05 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 18:21:37 2016. The LIRR RoW can be an IND service. That was the idea 70 years ago.Brooklyn Manor is 2 blocks from west end of the 104th Street el station. The only reason there was a Q53 franchise is because the LIRR service ceased. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 24 20:27:17 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 22 18:10:33 2016. Great post! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 25 10:58:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Sun Jan 24 13:21:07 2016. Most of Woodhaven is residential so double parking is the least of its problems. You are trying to make an argument out of nothing. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Jan 25 11:51:57 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 25 10:58:20 2016. Um, no, I think you are. You're the one who is arguing that Woodhaven will have problems after it's rebuilt. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jan 25 13:04:45 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 24 18:30:05 2016. You could practically connect it to the IND. Whether that is a good idea is up for debate, but certainly it is physically feasible.Converting the ROW into a busway is not, which is what I was commenting on. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 25 16:06:33 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Jan 25 13:04:45 2016. Oh, OK |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 25 21:00:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 12:45:39 2016. The local stations on the Brighton Line were completely demolished and rebuilt from scratch. They were not "fixed". So if you are saying that the fact there was a station there before, does not qualify the line as a "expansion", I could make the same argument for the LIRR ROW. Stations are proposed where there already was service in the past, so technically it would not be an expansion either and ADA would not apply. the only difference was that service was suspended for fifty years. So it depends on te language of the legislation. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 25 21:02:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Mon Jan 25 11:51:57 2016. It definitely will, but you brought up double parking which isn't really relevent. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 25 21:04:15 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 12:48:40 2016. If the two travel lanes are not moving at all, and the right lane is empty and te slip lane is a half mile away, how usable would you say that right lane is for those who are stuck in traffic? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jan 25 21:17:17 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 25 21:00:48 2016. You cannot open what was closed without full ADA compliance. Brighton never closed. Nothing was (or could be) added at any station unless the station was made ADA compliant. Everything would have to be rebuilt with exactly the same capacity as was previously there.Also, there are far too few old stations to be used as a practical busway. This all ignores that the separate busway would be further away from transit connections as well as the people on Woodhaven itself. It further ignores that the northern end of the line goes pretty far from Woodhaven and anything else one might want, while the southern end is incredibly hard to connect back to Woodhaven. It would be an incredibly expensive project of little use to anyone at all. I. e. something designed to fail by anti-transit advocates. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jan 25 21:18:58 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 25 21:02:02 2016. First mention of double parking:"Yes, whenever the right lane is blocked by double parking or construction. " By... Wait for it... "BrooklynBus"!!!!! You suck at interneting. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 25 23:11:32 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Jan 25 21:18:58 2016. Great post. Pwned. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jan 26 00:31:16 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 25 21:04:15 2016. The slip lane will be half a mile away in relatively few locations. Usually it will be much closer. Obviously they will be further apart when grade separation forces such, but I don't see how such can be avoided. (And such is obviously also the case today.) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 26 10:37:06 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Jan 26 00:31:16 2016. Today there are no slip lanes at all. But you do have three contiguous lanes, so drivers can manage. Even if they are a quarter mile away, in heavy traffic, it can take you 15 minutes to reach them and if traffic stalls in the service lane, you have to wait until the next slip lane to get back. Add that to the other disadvantages lie one mile detours to make a left turn and you have a bad plan.Also, my friend just e-mailed me to tell me she had to climb over a mountain of snow to reach the fare kiosk. Do you think the bus islands will actually be cleared of snow when Woodhaven was the sat neighborhood to be cleared of snow? How will people waiting on the rmain roadway in the bus lane not e dangerous? |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jan 26 11:51:44 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 26 10:37:06 2016. 1/4 mile in 15 minutes is 1 mile per hour. If traffic is that bad, something is fully obstructing the roadway and obviously if the bus lane is clear people will be able to use it.So, to summarize, not a disadvantage, no change from today. Snow blocking bus shelters is a problem, with or without SBS Again, not a disadvantage, no change from today. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 26 13:10:45 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Jan 26 11:51:44 2016. Traffic is that bad at times. What is obstructing the roadway it too many cars. Occasionally, it may be an accident. Anyone using the bus lane risks a summons especially with photo enforcement. Why should the onus be on the driver to have to fight a summons he never should have received?And snow blocking bus shelters is different from today because residents can still stand on cleared sidewalks. If they have to wait in the median, buses will not stop if they are not waiting there. Their choices will be to wait in the bus lane and get out of the way when the bus approaches and he will have to enter the traffic lane to pick them up. Their other choice is to continue to wait on the sidewalk and try to make a mad dash across the service road when they see a bus and then wait for it in the main roadway. Anyway you look at it, the safety situation is worse. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 26 13:44:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 26 13:10:45 2016. And snow blocking bus shelters is different from today because residents can still stand on cleared sidewalks.Wrong. Snow can be between the cleared sidewalk and the roadway. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jan 26 19:58:38 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 26 13:10:45 2016. "Traffic is that bad at times. What is obstructing the roadway it too many cars. Occasionally, it may be an accident. Anyone using the bus lane risks a summons especially with photo enforcement. Why should the onus be on the driver to have to fight a summons he never should have received?"It isn't that bad outside of a total traffic meltdown. Should woodhaven back up that badly, traffic will find other roads. Except buses can't do so easily... So the only change is that buses won't get stuck because they have their own lane!! Yay! Win! (I can make responses to your absurd hypotheticals all day. The wonder of it all is that it is easy to make responses which are less absurd!) It is legal for cars to be in the bus lane for specific purposes. They can fight and win, should the summons be inappropriate. "And snow blocking bus shelters is different from today because residents can still stand on cleared sidewalks. If they have to wait in the median, buses will not stop if they are not waiting there. Their choices will be to wait in the bus lane and get out of the way when the bus approaches and he will have to enter the traffic lane to pick them up. Their other choice is to continue to wait on the sidewalk and try to make a mad dash across the service road when they see a bus and then wait for it in the main roadway. Anyway you look at it, the safety situation is worse. " You are making two assumptions. A. The sidewalks will be cleared near the bus stops. B. The median stations will not be cleared at the new bus stops. As far as I can tell: A. There is no reason to expect sidewalks will be cleared near the bus stops. B. There is no reason to expect median bus stops won't be cleared at the bus stops. Again, this whole argument is based on an absurd hypothetical on your part which has no basis in reality. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 27 11:25:27 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 26 13:44:02 2016. No one said that isn't the case. The point I was making that at least bus passengers have a place to stand with curbside lanes, although as you say there is a problem getting to the bus stop if the shelter area and in front of it is not cleared.Under the proposal, if the shelter was not cleared, the only place to stand would be in the roadway. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 27 11:36:10 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Jan 26 19:58:38 2016. How do you know how bad it is when you don't travel on the roa?. When I used it daily, during rush hours there was a traffic meltdown about twice a week. I am sure now it is much worse.And the point is there are no parallel roads for cars to use other than residential streets hitch require you to turn off every few blocks because none of them are through streets. The alternatives mies away are just as bad or worse than Woodhaven. You are essentially leaving people with no alternative. Also the left turn restrictions makes it much more difficult to leave the roadway to seek an alternative. And buses will constantly get stuck in their own lane because SBS and express buses will not be able to easily pas the locals which will stop every block. As I said , the onus to fight summonses that shoud not have been received shoud not be on the motorist. Wrong. The assumptions I am making is that the shelter areas will not be timely cleared in both instances just like it took the city three days to clear the streets of snow in Woodhaven. The difference is when they are not clear in the medians, riders will have to wait in the bus lane for the bus since there is no sidewalk for them to stand on that may have been cleared by a homeowner or store. My arguments are totally asked on reality. Your arguments make inaccurate assumptions and are therefore incorrect. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jan 27 19:31:16 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 27 11:36:10 2016. "How do you know how bad it is when you don't travel on the roa?. When I used it daily, during rush hours there was a traffic meltdown about twice a week. I am sure now it is much worse."How do you know I don't use Woodhaven? I certainly see it even if I am not necessarily in it. Furthermore, whats to say that this won't improve the traffic. It surely seems like the most likely outcome. "And the point is there are no parallel roads for cars to use other than residential streets hitch require you to turn off every few blocks because none of them are through streets. The alternatives mies away are just as bad or worse than Woodhaven. You are essentially leaving people with no alternative. Also the left turn restrictions makes it much more difficult to leave the roadway to seek an alternative." A. Residential streets work fine for cars to use. B. Not all require turns every few blocks. 111th/114th and Lefferts both provide through routes which are fully functional. Smaller streets work for shorter distances. "And buses will constantly get stuck in their own lane because SBS and express buses will not be able to easily pas the locals which will stop every block." "As I said , the onus to fight summonses that shoud not have been received shoud not be on the motorist." Why not? If they are too afraid, they can not use the bus lane. "Wrong. The assumptions I am making is that the shelter areas will not be timely cleared in both instances just like it took the city three days to clear the streets of snow in Woodhaven. The difference is when they are not clear in the medians, riders will have to wait in the bus lane for the bus since there is no sidewalk for them to stand on that may have been cleared by a homeowner or store." And my point is, your assumption is baseless. There is no reason to believe that the bus stops will not be cleared with SBS any more than there is reason to believe there will be a place cleared without SBS. Snow clearing has nothing at all to do with SBS. Uncleared stops without anywhere safe to wait can happen with or without SBS. Cleared stops can happen with or without SBS. "My arguments are totally asked on reality. No? (Assuming you mean based.) "Your arguments make inaccurate assumptions and are therefore incorrect." LOL. I have not been making assumptions. I have just been pointing out that yours are wrong. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jan 27 19:38:19 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 27 11:36:10 2016. MY APOLOGIES!I hit post without countering all of your absurdities. "And buses will constantly get stuck in their own lane because SBS and express buses will not be able to easily pas the locals which will stop every block." A. Locals don't stop at every block B. Express buses and SBS buses can pass in travel lanes should the need arise C. Many stops will not in fact be blocking the bus lane. Only 5 local only stops will be potentially blocking the bus lane. Not a big deal. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jan 27 21:08:49 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 27 11:25:27 2016. Doesn't matter if you can't get to the bus from the sidewalk/shelter due to the snow. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jan 27 23:34:01 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jan 23 20:29:02 2016. "The facts are that this plan reduces road capacity for vehicles other than buses by as much as 75 percent."BrooklynBus 12/8/15 An absurdly false statement. An outright lie. A travesty of misinformation Something you said. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jan 28 23:39:54 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Jan 27 23:34:01 2016. OWNED. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jan 30 20:46:32 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Jan 27 23:34:01 2016. I was talking about the four through lanes north of Union Turnpike where an island was proposed to separate the two through lanes from the service road which would have limited access to the main roadway.Traffic using the four lanes would be limited to two through lanes, a 50 percent reduction in capacity. For exampe, the left lane at Furmanville which is now proposed to handle the left turns presently made at Metropolitan wolud only hold about eight cars. (Similar delays wil occur at the few other locations where left turns woud be allowed.) Today on Saturday around noon, the back up to enter te left turn lane for Metropolitan extended halfway up the overpass. That s at least 50 cars. If those cars nw make that left on Furmanville, the leftmost through lsne would be backed up for approximately three blocks with more than 40 cars waiting to get into the left turn lane. With te service lane not readily accessible a reduction from four moving lanes to one moving lane is a reduction in capacity of 75 percent. Not an "absurdly false statement" and not "an outright lie." You are the one who is lying by making false accusations and caliing it "a travesty of misinformation." The only saving grace is that nw it looks like DOT may never build those islands and the existing bus lanes will not be moved. Also, today on Saturday, all three lanes on the main road had moderately heavy traffic. With one lane less, 15 to 20 mph would be the top speed with the average speed lower than that. Auto trip times from the Belt Parkway to Queens Blvd would increase by ten to fifteen minutes or about 75 or 80 percent, while bus riders would save no time at all from exclusive lanes. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jan 30 22:35:12 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jan 30 20:46:32 2016. "Today on Saturday around noon, the back up to enter te left turn lane for Metropolitan extended halfway up the overpass. That s at least 50 cars."Well WTF, there's an easy solution. Saturday is the Sabbath. Don't drive on the f*&^ing Sabbath. Problem solved. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 31 11:30:34 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jan 30 22:35:12 2016. It is just as bad on Sundays, so I guess we shouldn't shop on Sundays either. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 31 11:35:49 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sun Jan 24 15:06:59 2016. First of all it is debatable that bus service will be greatly improved. It's more like minimally improved. Connections will not be reduced or the number of fares required for three bus trips. The B15 will not transfer to Q53 and neither will the B82 SBS because there is no proposal for a route extension to Cross Bay Blvd.If what you say will happen, why is neither the MTA or DOT venturing a guess on how many will switch modes. It's because they don't want to be wrong. What is ridership actually decreases like it did on many other SBS routes? What will you say then? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 31 11:50:05 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Jan 25 21:17:17 2016. Everything would have to be rebuilt with exactly the same capacity as was previously there.Thus proves you do not know what you are talking about. Many changes other than ADA were made at the rebuilt stations. Stairways were widened at all stations and additional stairways were added (Avenue M for example.) Yet none of the local stations received elevators. The busway would be able to make all the crosstown bus connections presently available on Woodhaven and no existing connections would be removed because bus service would still remain on Woodhaven. The ramp would come down to street level at Liberty for the buses to continue on the surface so I do not understand what would be do incredibly hard to connect if a busway is chosen, but rail would be superior anyway. Prove it would be incredibly expensive. BRT on Woodhaven is what would be incredibly expensive and would take a very long time to complete. Every DOT project is delayed by at least three years. The seven Belt Parkway bridges were due to be completed in mid-2014 and the reconstruction of the Mill Basin Bridge has not even begun. So if DOT is projecting 2022 for completion of BRT if it is done, that realistically would mean 2025. That's 11 years since they decided on BRT and more than that if you consider the years they were considering SBS. So no way is it short term and cost efficient at almost a quarter billion dollars with countless negatives. The people requesting a busway are certainly not anti-transit advocates. If they were they would have not suggested other bus improvements they believe are needed that the MTA won't even consider since SBS/BRT is the only thing they are looking at. So quit making untrue statements. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 31 16:22:47 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 31 11:30:34 2016. Huh? I was only solving your Saturday problem. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 31 16:24:17 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 31 11:35:49 2016. "What is ridership actually decreases like it did on many other SBS routes?"Depends if ridership decreases on the non-SBS routes as well, like what happened. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 31 16:26:19 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 31 11:50:05 2016. "Thus proves you do not know what you are talking about."On the contrary, R30A knows far better what he is talking about than you do. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jan 31 20:43:41 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jan 30 20:46:32 2016. In case you did not know, 50 is not as much as 75.You do realize that eliminating that turn will actually eliminate that blockage in that location! If everybody were to continue to utilize Woodhaven and turn at Metropolitan, that would simply move the problem, but it is incredibly likely that at least some would no longer try to make the left turn, which means that the problem you are complaining about would be reduced! I see no need to respond to your made up assertions of top and average speeds. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jan 31 20:44:42 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 31 16:24:17 2016. And furthermore, with one exception, the ridership on the changed routes went UP! |
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