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Posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 13:40:11 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 3 12:47:03 2016. In New York City our BRT system is called Select Bus Service (SBS). |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 13:40:32 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 3 12:47:03 2016. Your made up numbers do not change definitions. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 13:46:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 3 13:34:19 2016. Linden Boulevard is not an avenue. I was only listing stops at avenues. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 13:46:32 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 3 13:35:19 2016. It wasn't?!?!?Then why did you say it was? |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 13:58:00 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 3 13:06:38 2016. "The city speed limit was 30 not 40, so the police certainly could have still pulled over someone doing 40 prior to lowering the speed limit."It was 35 on Woodhaven until the changes you complain so much about started happening. 35 is MUCH more likely to result in death/injury than 30, which in turn is MUCH more likely to result in death/injury than 25. "State DOT is responsible for its contractors. Hiring a contractor doing incompetent work does not get them off the hook. Besides NYSDOT defended their work. Your analogies make no sense. What I stated was that NYCDOT does not really care about safety regardless of what State DOT is doing. If they did they would, they would timely repainted crosswalks, not do it years after they wear out. They would replace missing by and faded street signs in less than three years. Poor signage causes indecision and can lead to accidents." And my point with regards to the STATE DOT was... The State DOT is wholly irrelevant. With regards to signage and street repair, I surely agree with you in concept. YES, the City DOT should maintain safe conditions. BUT THAT IS NO REASON WHY THEY SHOULD MAINTAIN THE CURRENT UNSAFE CONDITIONS. Your argument appears to boil down to "Because some things are unsafe, we shouldn't invest in making other things more safe." "And I couldn't find the elevators from the lower mezzanine to the upper mezzanine at Hudson Yards because there aren't any. They have inclinators and I didn't bother looking for the tiny wheelchair symbol to tell me where they were. The escalator was right there so I took it. My sign comprehension is just fine." inclinator. Noun. (plural inclinators) An elevator that ascends an incline rather than in a vertical shaft. So, yes, there are in fact elevators. The symbol isn't tiny, and it is a universally recognized symbol used worldwide for wheelchair access. So no, your sign comprehension is obviously not "just fine". |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 14:02:24 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 3 12:41:00 2016. "I fully understand the goals of the Woodhaven project, some of which are unwritten such as to slow down auto traffic, to make it so inconvenient fewer people will choose to drive."Slowing down traffic is not an unwritten goal. "The MTA is not venturing to say how many will switch modes because they don't believe anyone will really change modes due to some minimal bus improvements. If they really did model the project and the model was indeed usable, that is just one of the outputs that it would have provided, so they indeed do have that information. They are no telling us what the model says because the results were probably so ridiculous, they have zero confidence in it." You never see the raw results of traffic modelling released. Why would such be different here? "Where do you get bus ridership is up in all but one of the improved markets? If you are going by the fact that the new routes with 30 minute headways had no ridership before they began operations and now they have six riders per bus, then you are correct." What route has 30 minute headways? What route does not directly replace another? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:40:53 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 14:02:24 2016. Tough questions. Can he answer them? Stay tuned. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:47:29 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 3 12:43:53 2016. And these people unlike yourself have decades of experience in the transit industry.1. How do you know that he doesn't have decades of experience in the transit industry? 2. If these people are anything like you, then they are shams. You claim to have extensive transit industry experience and you know practically nothing about transportation planning! Hell, you don't even have much common sense! Not only do I doubt that you are in PERSONAL contact with "dozens" of people with decades of experience in the transit industry who think use of the RBL would be much more beneficial to transit riders than SBS on Woodhaven, but I also doubt that the few people you ARE in personal contact with who think use of the RBL would be much more beneficial to transit riders than SBS on Woodhaven have any successful meaningful transit industry experience. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:47:54 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 13:40:11 2016. yep |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:48:05 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 13:40:32 2016. yep yep |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:49:10 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 3 13:13:01 2016. Hit 'em where it hurts! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:56:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Feb 3 13:11:32 2016. The argument may be made that starting speed could matter in that if a driver going 40-45 brakes harshly to make the turnSeriously, who does that? Have you ever seen that? Is it a common thing? In the City?? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:59:17 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 3 13:06:38 2016. My sign comprehension is just fine.LOL, no it's not! You don't need to "looking" for the signs! They are right above you!! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Feb 4 08:39:50 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 3 13:27:28 2016. There are other factors to consider like what effects lowering the speed limit has on the economy by adding significant tines to all trips being made.You also assume that drivers are obeying the reduced speed limits. That is only true when they have no choice due to traffic congestion. Otherwise they will continue to drive at what they deem is a reasonable speed in most instances. The idiots who drive at ridiculous speed and cause most of the deaths that make the news will not be deterred by an artificially low speed limit because most will not obey. If you drove you would see how everyone travels faster than 25 mph when they can. (I even saw a DOT construction vehicle speeding on the BQE.) . Careless drivers making turns also will not be affected by a lower speed limit. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Feb 4 08:47:24 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 13:46:08 2016. Are you so dumb that you think an avenue has to have the word "avenue" in its name to be an avenue? Linden Blvd is a two lane street at Woodhaven. That makes it no different than any other avenue and definitely needs to be counted. (The portion in Brooklyn that is two lanes was originally called Linden Avenue. The name was changed to Boulevard to be consistent with the newly built widened roadway that was cut through in the 1930s.)So how many other stops did you not count? Kings Highway is not a highway. It is either an avenue or a boulevard. The name of a street does not always reflect the type of street it is. How could you not know that? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Feb 4 08:56:47 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:56:52 2016. Yes, I have seen that. In the City. Driver fixates on the light and the pedestrian countdown clock from a distance. Arrival at intersection occurs with harsh braking down from above the speed limit to turning speed right around the time the light is yellow or turning red. Driver has zero plans to stop and has to hope the reflexes are ready in case a pedestrian is around, and especially if walking a few feet inside from the intersection (granted they shouldn't be in the street at all especially once the countdown has hit 0 but I also agree that jaywalking should be corrected). |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Feb 4 09:04:57 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Feb 2 19:54:28 2016. So there are at least 11 local stops (not five) that are not also SBS/ express stops where SBS and express buses could be delayed by locals stopping in front of them where SBS and express buses don't have to stop . That could potentially add five minutes over trips made today for express buses.The stops are: 68 Avenue, 81 Rd, 85 Rd, 89 Avenue, 97 Avenue, Sutter Avenue, Linden Blvd, and 149 Ave if buses stopped in the main roadway with new islands built north of Metropolitan. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 4 09:06:23 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Feb 4 08:47:24 2016. LOL! You're one to talk! You couldn't find an elevator if it bit you on the backside!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 4 09:06:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:59:17 2016. Bump |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 4 09:10:14 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Feb 4 08:56:47 2016. I don't think that is very common. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 4 09:21:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 4 09:10:14 2016. I do that, but I don't begin to turn the wheel until my car is stopped or nearly stopped. Remember kids, it's legal if the light turns red AFTER you enter the intersection. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 4 09:50:44 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 3 13:34:19 2016. You do realize that different areas have different ways of defining their "Avenues"In Queens, where there is no clear nomenclatural system, I assume when you say it stops at every Avenue you mean it stops at every street named "Avenue". But my point was, as you seem to concede- It does not stop at every avenue, whatever definition for avenue you use. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 4 10:03:01 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Feb 4 09:04:57 2016. No. the five(and a half) are, to quote my prior post:"The Local only bus stops blocking the bus lane. 1. 62nd Road. 2. Furmanville Avenue. 3. 66th Road. 4. 68th Avenue 5. 85th Road. (5.5 89th Avenue. Southbound only.)" 81 Rd has no bus lanes, it is a sidewalk stop. 89 Avenue has a pull in for stopping buses in the northbound direction 97 Avenue is a sidewalk stop. The local and express buses have left the Bus lane due to the Atlantic Flyover. Sutter, Linden, and Albert(149) are all stops in the parking lane, not the bus lane. So no, there are not 11. There are 5 northbound and 6 southbound. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Feb 4 10:10:47 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 4 10:03:01 2016. 5+6=11.The fact that combining the northbound and southbound locations makes it seem like a bigger problem than it actually is? Coincidence, I'm sure. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 4 10:14:40 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Thu Feb 4 10:10:47 2016. That is what he did with the left turns, so I wouldn't be surprised.But then why did he make up all the other intersections that will not have local buses blocking the bus lane? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Feb 4 11:12:22 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 4 10:14:40 2016. "Oh, that was just a typo." -- Bloom County |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Feb 4 12:34:34 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 4 09:21:20 2016. Tell me about it. I almost went around some guy this morning because he wouldn't enter the intersection. I really need to take my usual, earlier train. Less traffic. Fewer idiots. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 4 20:48:07 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Thu Feb 4 11:12:22 2016. I think the real problem is that he just has never read the plan that he is constantly complaining about.(But even if he has, he certainly does not understand it.) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 5 02:24:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:59:17 2016. Damn..you are Such an asshole...you sufficate the "ordinary asshole".You outshine them by such a large margin,that the 10ft pole stuck in your ass has become a permanent fixture,with no chance of being removed. Asshole. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Feb 5 08:42:22 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 5 02:24:52 2016. lol, you missed one of my posts. try again. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 13:50:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 14:02:24 2016. Slowing down traffic to make streets safer for pedestrians is the written goal. Slowing down traffic so as to make driving more inconvenient so it becomes difficult to drive anywhere is the unwritten goal. The written goal is to keep traffic moving and decrease congestion.You never see the raw results of traffic modeling released. why should it be any different here? Untrue. When I was at City Planning we used a computer model that I assisted with in developing to measure the effects of our proposed Southwest Brooklyn Proposals. We distributed a public report that mentioned the model and also wrote a report in excess of 100 pages where we described the model in detail including how it was developed and the assumptions we made. That document was availalable for viewing to anyone who would request to see it. All the new routes with the exception of the Q70 operate on 30 minute headways. The new west side Manhattan route, the B32 and the B84. The restored B37 operates at 20 minute headways because it was not a new route. All these routes did not replace other routes. The B67 extension also operates at 30 minute headways. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 13:54:43 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:47:29 2016. I can doubt whatever you want to doubt. It is still true.If I know nothing about transportation planning, tell me why I have a meeting set up for this Thursday with high MTA officials, at least 7 of them, to discuss ways of improving bus service performance? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 13:56:31 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sun Jan 31 20:44:42 2016. Only if you are talking about first year analyses with the exception of the B44. In 2014, the last year with available data, they all went down except for the Bronx routes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 13:57:16 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 31 16:24:17 2016. But the ridership on SBS routes decreased greater than their respective borough averages. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 13:57:56 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 13:50:52 2016. "Slowing down traffic to make streets safer for pedestrians is the written goal. Slowing down traffic so as to make driving more inconvenient so it becomes difficult to drive anywhere is the unwritten goal. The written goal is to keep traffic moving and decrease congestion."Why is it hard to believe that the written goal is the real goal? Serious paranoia. "Untrue. When I was at City Planning we used a computer model that I assisted with in developing to measure the effects of our proposed Southwest Brooklyn Proposals. We distributed a public report that mentioned the model and also wrote a report in excess of 100 pages where we described the model in detail including how it was developed and the assumptions we made. That document was availalable for viewing to anyone who would request to see it." Distributed to who? When was this? What models were you using? "All the new routes with the exception of the Q70 operate on 30 minute headways. The new west side Manhattan route, the B32 and the B84. The restored B37 operates at 20 minute headways because it was not a new route. All these routes did not replace other routes. The B67 extension also operates at 30 minute headways." So, of those, 0 are applicable routes running on 30 minute headways! |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 13:58:57 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 13:56:31 2016. Yes. Exactly. I am talking about the ONLY APPLICABLE YEAR TO MEASURE THE SUCCESS OF THE SBS IMPROVEMENTS. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 13:59:35 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 13:57:16 2016. No, they did not. They increased. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 14:00:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 3 13:13:01 2016. It wouldn't because the ROW can accommodate four tracks. Only two are currently being used. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 14:01:39 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 14:00:20 2016. How are you going to connect it? Where are you going to terminate the trains? Why are you considering adding many trains to a line already suffering from incredibly low ridership? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 14:09:03 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 13:54:43 2016. Which officials?I can see their thinking now: "Maybe if we meet with him once, he'll stop sending us all of these absurd emails" |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 14:13:13 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 13:57:56 2016. The written goal is not real because there is no reason to propose exclusive bus lanes on Woodhaven on weekends when traffic is moderate and there are hardly any buses. Last Yesterday I drove on Woodhaven from the Belt Parkway to Queens Blvd. it took about only about 15 minutes. I passed a total of three buses during those 8 miles. If there was an exclusive lane in effect, the buses would not save time but the average traffic speed would drop severely. Five minutes would be added if an exclusive lane were added just between Queens Blvd and Dry Harbor Road because it would take three or four signal cycles to cross Queens Blvd when it currently takes two. If the exclusive lane extended all the way down Woodhaven as proposed, another ten minutes would be added. So a 15 minute auto trip would become a 30 minute trip. That is a 100 % increase so average trip speed would be cut in half without buses riders gaining any benefit. That is why I can't accept the stated goal, and believe the unwritten goal is to make auto travel so inconvenient so that people will stop driving. That won't happen because SBS is still not a viable alternative for virtually all drivers. What will happen is that it will be the last straw for some who are already considering moving out of the city.About bus routes, you asked which new routes operate at 30 minute headways and when I told you, you responded that zero are applicable. They are all applicable. Why do you ask a question when you don't want to hear the answer? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 14:16:57 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 13:40:11 2016. Not according to the DOT commissioner. She made a distinction between the two at City Hall.And you still haven't answered the question why one costs ten times more than the other? If they are the same thing as you allege, the costs would be equal. I think I am just going to stop wasting my time discussing this with you since you have proven you cannot discuss this subject intelligently. So just answer the question "how can SBS and BRT be synonymous when SBS costs $20 million and BRT costs $231 million? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 14:20:34 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 14:13:13 2016. "The written goal is not real because there is no reason to propose exclusive bus lanes on Woodhaven on weekends when traffic is moderate and there are hardly any buses. Last Yesterday I drove on Woodhaven from the Belt Parkway to Queens Blvd. it took about only about 15 minutes. I passed a total of three buses during those 8 miles. If there was an exclusive lane in effect, the buses would not save time but the average traffic speed would drop severely. Five minutes would be added if an exclusive lane were added just between Queens Blvd and Dry Harbor Road because it would take three or four signal cycles to cross Queens Blvd when it currently takes two. If the exclusive lane extended all the way down Woodhaven as proposed, another ten minutes would be added. So a 15 minute auto trip would become a 30 minute trip. That is a 100 % increase so average trip speed would be cut in half without buses riders gaining any benefit. That is why I can't accept the stated goal, and believe the unwritten goal is to make auto travel so inconvenient so that people will stop driving. That won't happen because SBS is still not a viable alternative for virtually all drivers. What will happen is that it will be the last straw for some who are already considering moving out of the city."Yes, it is a 100% increase. If you accept all of your made up times. I do not. I think it will be a near 0% increase. I have just as much evidence to back it up as you do. "About bus routes, you asked which new routes operate at 30 minute headways and when I told you, you responded that zero are applicable. They are all applicable. Why do you ask a question when you don't want to hear the answer? " Lets see: New SBS routes: BX12SBS, M15SBS, M34SBS M34ASBS, BX41SBS, B44SBS, Q44SBS, M60SBS... Which are on 30 minute headways? (So yes, none are applicable.) |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 14:24:34 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 14:16:57 2016. My prior post was lifted from the MTA word for word.You want DOT's phrasing? "Select Bus Service is New York City’s version of bus rapid transit" So I agree with the DOT and MTA. You don't. Hmm... I wonder who is right here. Cite your numbers! Are they made up like usual? My suspicion is- $20 Million is early phase BRT/SBS, $231 is the completed project. Either way- It doesn't change the fact. BRT = SBS |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 14:53:05 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 14:24:34 2016. Your suspicions are wrong because I have the facts and links below. I was only wrong on one thing. I claimed the original proposed cost for SBS was $15 to $20 million. It was only $7.5 to $12 million. In 2012 when this request was made that was the amount they sought for a "SBS/BRT " route from 61 St to Beach 116 Street. There is no reference to initial phases. THAT WAS THE COMPLETE PROJECT!!! They also called it BRT at the time because no distinction was made. Here is the link. It is project X772275. Here is the link: http://www.nymtc.org/Files/TIP_comments_010713/Details.pdf Later DOT documents cited the cost as $15 to $20 million. Perhaps the $7.5 to $12 million was the federal share. Here is the link for the BRT project at $231 million. http://www.fta.dot.gov/documents/NY_Woodhaven_Blvd_SBS_Profile_and_Map.pdf Are you now going to claim that the in a few years the cost rose from $12 million to $231 million without any change to the scope? If you would have attended any of the meetings, DOT made it quite clear midstream they are changing the scope to include BRT elements but never being clear on what was actually being changed. What do you have to say now? I don't think for one minute you will admit error. You thought I was bluffing and didn't have the sources. SBS does not equal BRT. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:02:46 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 14:20:34 2016. I showed you haw travel times will increase and since I use the roadway every weekend now and formerly used it everyday during the week, I am quite familiar with the traffic patterns and times. You just won't accept any logic and dismiss all anecdotes by others.It is very easy to imagine future traffic with one less lane. Last year on a Saturday, traffic on Cross Bay was moving at a snails pace like 10 mph for about three blocks. Why? Because the right lane was closed off for utility work. After the blockage, traffic flowed fine. If there was a bus lane in effect, the same lane would be closed off all day long, so why is it so difficult for you to admit that traffic would be greatly slowed? It would be just as if that utility construction were permanent. What are you trying to twist now? I never stated that SBS routes operate at 30 minute headways. I was referring to new local routes being instituted and I made myself quite clear. You can't argue points intelligently so you resort to changing the history of the conversation. I am through wasting my time responding to your nonsense. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:04:50 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 14:09:03 2016. Wrong again. This will be our second meeting. A Vice President suggested we meet again, not me. Don't expect me to provide you with names over the Internet. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:08:33 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 14:01:39 2016. Why does deBlasio support a new light rail line to parallel the B61 and B62? Is ridership so high on those routes to merit that?You can ask all the questions you want. Sometimes decisions are based on things other than ridership? Why did the MTA discontinue the M42 branch to 34 Street because of low ridership, only to replace it with a new subway line? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 8 15:18:36 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 14:53:05 2016. So- They called it BRT at the time because there IS no distinction.The cost of "PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING FOR SELECT BUS SERVICE ALONG WOODHAVEN BOULEVARD" is 15 to 25 million "The project’s current estimated capital cost" is 231 Million Your first source calls it "NEW SELECT BUS SERVICE/BRT ON WOODHAVEN BLVD " Your second source states "The New York City Department of Transportation (NYCDOT) proposes to implement bus rapid transit (called Select Bus Service or SBS locally)" So, you cite these two sources and claim that they show that SBS and BRT are different, despite the fact that BOTH use the terms SBS and BRT interchangably, and furthermore claim that they MUST be different because of the different costs. Well... Where is there a scope change? Yes, the preliminary engineering costs a lot less than the final project. That is almost universally true for every single construction project. Because the engineering cost for the Second Avenue Subway was $407 Million, and the Second Avenue Subway construction cost is $2.6 Billion, they must be different projects? Comparing engineering costs to construction costs does not indicate a scope change. I am not saying you were bluffing. I am saying that you are continually talking about something you know absolutely nothing about, and as a result of such end up repeatedly making absurd and incorrect statements. I also am forced to wonder if you are even basally literate. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 15:20:24 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 3 13:58:00 2016. No my point is that safety is just a smokescreen. If they did, they would responsibly maintain lane markings and signage. Instead what they are really interested in is raising revenue for the city which is what the lower speed limits are doing. It is not causing anyone to drive more safely.And State DOT is relevant because they also do not give a damn about safety. Yesterday I was traveling west on the Grand Central when all of a sudden there were no lights on the highway and none of the signs were reflective so they couldn't be seen and since the traffic was very light there was no lights from other cars headlights. Too make matters worse, all the lane markings were gone and suddenly the road split in two and I was going right. I completely lost track of where I was. I thought I may have been entering the Clearview but as it turned out I was already at the split for the Robinson. I don't recall seeing exists for Kissena or Main probably because the road was so dark and the signs didn't reflect. At least I was familiar with the roadway so I was able to regain my bearings. That could be deadly for someone new to the area. On the Belt Parkway it is over four years that a section of roadway has been dark. If safety were a real concern dark sections of roadway would be promptly fixed and wouldn't linger for years. The concern for safety is phony. |
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