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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:52:53 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 21:48:24 2006. "1) the tunnels were extremely deep compared to NYC's and 2) the track infrastructure is actually designed to be less bumpy and noisy than that in NYC."The Blue Line extension, which is what I'm referring to, is a tunnel box which is barely below the surface. Are you going to read up, or are you just a doofus? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 21:53:13 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:26:35 2006. What is it with you and failure. You are the most pessimistic person I know. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:54:00 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 23 21:50:45 2006. True. Neighborhood opposition is not always bad.But NIMBY and BANANA refer to blanket positions on all construction. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:54:26 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 21:53:13 2006. Except for you?8-) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 21:55:29 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:52:53 2006. The Blue Line extension, which is what I'm referring to, is a tunnel box which is barely below the surface.you didn't mention that in your initial post. you said "WMATA" which encompasses the entire WMATA system, not just the blue line extension. granted, you did mention specifically the blue line extension later but that's not my fault; please be more specific next time. and still, just because WMATA can do something doesn't mean that it can be implemented in NYC. look at OPTO for just one example. Are you going to read up, or are you just a doofus? are you going to stop the name-calling whenever you're proven wrong? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 22:03:08 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:54:26 2006. That crappy joke doesn't even make sense. Sorry, you failed again. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 22:09:43 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:38:50 2006. You know what I mean Ron. Why don't you be a man for once and stop avoiding things like a frightened little boy. Hell, I know 6 yr olds with more courage than you. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:10:52 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 21:55:29 2006. "just because WMATA can do something doesn't mean that it can be implemented in NYC. look at OPTO for just one example."New York is very capable of implementing OPTO, TWU's ignorant nonsense notwithstanding. Got any other examples that prove my point? :0) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:12:44 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 22:09:43 2006. I think a nature trail is great. The payoff of an LRT advocacy on the Rockaway branch is nil, so I am going for what I can get.The SAS and other projects still need a lot of political support and pushing, so that's where I am going to be. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:13:26 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:10:52 2006. New York is very capable of implementing OPTO, TWU's ignorant nonsense notwithstanding.i'd like you to back your statement up with proff. it's been stated numerous times that OPTO is not feasible within NYC, even without the BS that the TWU continually spouted. and you still haven't addressed the rest of my post ... ... ... |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jul 23 22:14:19 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:38:50 2006. Haha, have you realized that you were contradicting yourself so you've changed your argument? Suddenly instead of arguing for some expensive, highly disruptive cut and cover subway you just want a nature trail. You've truely caved to the NIMBY's point of view. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:15:22 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:13:26 2006. "it's been stated numerous times that OPTO is not feasible within NYC"It's also been stated numerous times that the Apollo moon landings were a hoax. I think the two are about equal...Naah let's be fair. The Apollo hoax theory is slightly more credible. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:16:04 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 23 22:14:19 2006. In this case, yes. I pick my battles. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:16:06 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:12:44 2006. why do they need a dinky nature trail when they've got the great expanses of forest park? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:16:33 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:15:22 2006. PROFF, please. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:16:46 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:16:06 2006. Because adding the trail expands Forest Park, and I'm in favor of that. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 22:16:56 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:16:04 2006. I think you need to pick some better meds |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:17:28 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:16:33 2006. Since neither is true, what proof would you like? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:18:10 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 22:16:56 2006. You're already high...why do you want me to get you better meds? :0) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:19:28 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:16:46 2006. why does forest park need to be expanded when the current one suits the needs of its users?look, a nature trail would be nice but it isn't needed here. if the line were converted to LRT then it could be incorporated somehow into a park, as the Kenosha trolley is. but, you've flip-flopped on your opinion, and you seem to not want ANY transit on that corridor, which is not for this board. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jul 23 22:20:06 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 22:16:56 2006. yea Ron needs some cyanide amd morphine mixed in with some hydrchloric acid. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:20:37 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:17:28 2006. you still haven't provided proff to support your argument in favor of OPTO. prove that OPTO can be implemented system-wide without any problems and i'll concede. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 22:21:55 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:38:50 2006. No, I said light rail was a viable alternative to subway use (which is perhaps the most useful use of the line).You said removing the entire enbankment (which is improved, grade separated railroad ROW) then remove an additional 12 or more feet further was a viable use of that line. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 22:23:56 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Jul 23 22:20:06 2006. Does mustard gas work, cuz I know how to make that? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 23 22:25:37 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:54:00 2006. Case in point..the 63RD STRRET QUEENS SUPEREXPRESS...They really DIDN'T have a foot to stand on,as far as their complaint was concerned... It only gained ground when the city was in trouble,and some stupid politicans got involved for some sort of political gain[votes]. Because of them..this area is serverly lacking "extra capicity" for rail service..which leaves the TA to deal with the complaints from the Queens Blvd riders. But they do not care..but they care enough to cry the blues to the Transit Authority when a train breaks down..and there no way around the problem. Today,the TA has given up on this section of Queens for subway expantion. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:25:54 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:19:28 2006. "why does forest park need to be expanded when the current one suits the needs of its users?"Because expanding it serves users better, and because THE COMMUNITY ASKED FOR IT. "a nature trail would be nice but it isn't needed here." Far better than holding the space for an LRT that a) is subject to NIMBY you are not going to overcome b) the MTA does not want to build |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:26:33 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 22:23:56 2006. You cetainly make a lot of gas, though not of the mustard variety...:0) |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jul 23 22:26:52 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:25:03 2006. To eliminate any sight or sound of the train whatsoever. If you can even eliminate any bridges and have it always underground you reduce NIMBY a lot.The total noise level at the property line could likely be made equal between the two modes. Your cut and cover subway would produce quite considerable vibrations which would be extremely difficult to damp out. As others have noted you'd need grates to ventilate the subway, which would certainly emit nearly every bit of noise. You'd also introduce the possibility that geotechnical engineering issues would damage adjacent properties. A light rail on the other hand could be built likely 5 to 10 times cheaper than your needless subway, would fit much better with the ridership numbers a crosstown Queens line would have. By planting a fairly thick tree barrier between the tracks and the property line the noise from the already quiet LRVs could be reduced to the same level as the subway, without the vibrations a shallow subway would neccesarily bring. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:28:04 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 23 22:25:37 2006. For the time being, not forever. The 63rd st project did improve things some and in a few years they will revisit the issue. Gas is climbing aboove $3 a gallon. Be patient... |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Jul 23 22:28:30 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:12:44 2006. Screw the stupid bike trail!Put the damm train back!!! Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Jul 23 22:29:50 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:25:54 2006. It's a rail line that needs to be restored!!!Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:32:26 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:25:54 2006. so? a LRT can be incorporated into a park/nature trail and therefore uses the space more efficiently than either a subway or a nature trail.NIMBYs didn't want the jamaica leg of airtrain built (especially because it wouldn't serve them), but the PA did it anyway. shows how NIMBYs can be overcome. and who cares if the NIMBYs won't allow it and the MTA doesn't want to build it? this is solely a fantasy. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:33:47 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 23 22:26:52 2006. If the corridor were full of robots or mice wo need transit you'd be right. But it's not. It's full of people will funny ideas who vote.That's why you're not ready for prime time. Finish school and get some real experience. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Jul 23 22:34:14 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:16:04 2006. Worse job I've ever seen from you Ron.ALL OF YOUR POST ON THIS THREAD WERE A TOTAL WASTE!!!! You're a NIMBY SUPPORTER DUDE!!!!! Jimmymc25 ps..listen to Brian & get your as OFF THIS BOARD!! |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 22:34:49 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:25:54 2006. The same NIMBYs will oppose the nature trail. The LRT can be built, you're just too much of a wimp to support anything that faces any opposition. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:34:49 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:32:26 2006. "and who cares if the NIMBYs won't allow it and the MTA doesn't want to build it? this is solely a fantasy. "Yes! True statement! OK you win! |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 23 22:35:38 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:34:49 2006. you've proven yourself to be a true NIMBY. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:35:54 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 23 22:34:49 2006. Some will whine a little, but it looks like it's rolling toward reality. The trail is going to get done. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:38:44 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Jul 23 22:29:50 2006. "It's a rail line that needs to be restored!!!"Like the streets back at Fort Ord, Where the gold isn't stored And the commander just won an award, It's a rail line that needs to be restored, Like the good ship, both aft and fo'ord, Do the right thing, strike a chord, Never fall on your sword. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 23 22:45:15 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 11:35:49 2006. Thanks for the compliment.I've been meaning to update it since I've received answers to all the proposals (all rejected). But I've been short on time with a lot of personal problems. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 23 22:49:34 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Sun Jul 23 12:17:19 2006. If you want to see me, I'm going to be on Eyewitness News (Channel 7 New York) tomorrow between 5 and 6 (7 On Your Side Segment) Non-transit related topic. They've been running promos since Saturday every hour. That's me in the 3 second promo. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:50:03 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 23 22:49:34 2006. Congratulations! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:50:43 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 23 22:45:15 2006. You do what you can. I'm impressed. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 23 22:59:24 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 10:15:35 2006. There was one transportation engineer who pretended he was a "community group" (George Haikalis) whose presentation was laughable at best and a couple of other people who used the same tactic.I never saw George Haikalis' presentation so I won't argue with you but the late Steven Dobrow was one of the most intelligent people I have ever met and he opposed it for years and frequently wrote against it so I can't agree with you. Considering that, in the end, you'd have to have an airTrain type vehicle meet the commuter train on the Rockaway Line anyway, you end up with a much poorer version of what you have now. Not if they bought vehicles that were compatible with the subway or commuter rails. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 23:01:42 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 23 22:59:24 2006. Not a practical scheme.Dobrow is an intelligent guy but he doesn't represent a community group and he can't work together with any coalition - so even if he does come up with a bright idea (this one was not his finest hour) he couldn't go anywhere with it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 23 23:06:45 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 23:01:42 2006. If you read my post a little slower, you will see that I said "The late Steven Dobrow." He passed away in 2003. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 23:12:08 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 23 23:06:45 2006. Sorry - I used the wrong tense. My bad. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 23 23:13:20 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 23 21:50:45 2006. NIMBYS did not kill the Brooklyn Battery Bridge. FDR did three weeks before construction was scheduled to start. Only one person favored a bridge over a tunnel, Robert Moses. Read The Power Broker. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 23 23:18:31 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 23 10:30:56 2006. I believe it has been only one train a day for the past ten years or so. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 23 23:29:04 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:28:04 2006. Sure..I mean what choice do we really have be to be "patient"? One thing I am pushing for..is for the MTA to have the forsight to see an importand service improvement for Midtown. 1]SAS Phase 3. Build the SAS line Phase 1 with a station at 55th st. 2]Operate a Queens Blvd service to this station via the 63rd st tunnel/Connector...[short turn some E/V services here,or a new Y train] This would in fact remove some of the riders from the 53rd st tunnel..by giving them an opertunity they currently do not have..A terminal station in the area where riders will get a seat..close to areas of employment[Citicorp Center and others] and connections to other rail lines[E/V/6 at the nearby Lexington Avenue connected to the complex] |
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