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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Apr 25 01:14:21 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 23 15:06:08 2010. In all fairness I can appreciate what Christie was telling NJ transit. Clean up house and stop the BS before you get another dime. He knows of the political jobs and waste that exists in government agencies.And even after all the crying NJ transit did they were able to come up with plan #2 and save lots of bus service. Where I work at NYC transit its no different. One of my current bosses has a Brother who is a bigger boss and pulled up his baby brother up with him. When you have qualified people at NYC transit who have good ideas and can get much more respect from thier underlings who stay at one position because they are not related to the right person. It just seems that we in the public transit business have forgotten that our main mission is to bring people from point a to point b in a safe, comfortable and quick manner. And I'm sure its not just transit agencies. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 25 01:18:26 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 00:44:54 2010. So pick a more precise term of your liking. Point is the CNJ route was not highly patronised after the Aldene Plan and the end of ferry service. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 01:24:22 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Apr 24 23:52:32 2010. lol. No way. People that use transit or live next to it like for it to be inviting and as pleasant as possible to look at. I think that LA copies DC a lot and has learned just as DC has. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 25 01:30:21 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Apr 25 01:14:21 2010. and in private industry the same goes on. The only difference is who gets a say in choosing the bosses. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 02:04:50 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 01:24:22 2010. People that use transit or live next to it like for it to be inviting and as pleasant as possible to look at.Of course, but LACMTA's design consultants have bequeathed an ugly concrete structure on the local residents who will use that station. If you're going to blow more money on an expensive design, aiming for a blob-like concrete structure isn't the best use of tax dollars. Something like this would have been far more ideal, in my opinion. DC a lot and has learned just as DC has Which is interesting given that DC's station designs are considered by some to be the best examples of Brutalist design while others think the concrete design is an example of poor aesthetics in general. WMATA isn't "pretty" in an artistic sense, but it's better than some of the BART and PATCO stations of that era. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 02:32:27 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 02:04:50 2010. Yeah that is nice!You should come to LA BTW. Rail, freeways, airplanes,...what more could you want?!?! ;) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 02:35:57 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 02:04:50 2010. If you're going to blow more money on an expensive designHow about not doing anything of the sort and giving the people the most bang for the buck . . . ? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 02:40:45 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 25 01:18:26 2010. Point is the CNJ route was not highly patronised after the Aldene Plan and the end of ferry serviceKinda makes the Aldene Plan look like the mistake it is. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 02:54:19 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 02:32:27 2010. what more could you wantA system where most of the trackage doesn't veer off into the ghetto. :-P Despite being a roadgeek, LA's freeway network isn't of much interest to me, and comes across as rather boring, and I'm not much of a plane foamer. The Northeast's highways are far more interesting in my opinion. LA is tentatively planned as a winter trip in conjunction with San Diego, presuming the funds are appropriated for it. Otherwise, the priority for now is German Stadtbahns at the international level and the Pacific Northwest and Central Canada at the North American level. LA and San Diego come after that, and I'll wait for Chicago after the (slight) improvements to the rail corridor to St Louis to knock of that city's small light rail network as well. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 02:57:28 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 02:35:57 2010. How about not doing anything of the sort and giving the people the most bang for the buckPeople complain when stuff is ugly. :-) |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 03:33:57 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 02:54:19 2010. Let me know if you do come to LA.I'm not much of a road geek, but LA interchanges are more interesting than most. 
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Apr 25 04:13:11 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 14:00:50 2010. And the ferries to Manhattan at numerous rail stations along the North Rier just add to the revival. With the upcoming renovation of the original Hoboken Terminal ferry slips and the new passenger rail tunnel coming up, the circle is indeed turning. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 04:14:44 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 03:33:57 2010. Let me know if you do come to LA.I'll keep that in mind. As for the interchange pictured, it's large and masssively overpowered for my tastes. I've jokingly said that I support transit and intercity rail to keep the highways in their pure and original state for as long as possible... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 25 07:18:10 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 15:25:26 2010. Those bridges are still there, being used by PATH. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 25 07:37:51 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Apr 23 22:33:42 2010. That is false.Once again (and I have to keep drilling this into you EVERY DAMN TIME). Excluding cessions prior to the ratification of the Constitution: Virginia ceded Kentucky North Carolina ceded Tennessee New York ceded Vermont Connecticut ceded the Western Reserve (NE Ohio) New York and Connecticut ceded the Erie Triangle (feds sold it to Pennsylvania) Massachusetts ceded Maine Virginia ceded West Virginia The manner of transferring land from one state to another is clearly spelled out in the Constitution and is not in legitimate dispute. |
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Posted by Paul Mr. J train on Sun Apr 25 08:58:55 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Apr 24 20:48:34 2010. The station looks a lot like the old CNJ station. I like that |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 25 10:48:02 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Apr 23 20:36:51 2010. Of course, looking back, I should've invested in condos back then.I was too young. But if only! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 25 10:50:00 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Apr 23 22:33:42 2010. no State has ever ceded even a part of its area to another State.It's happened several times. However, it is very unlikely to happen in the proposed case. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 13:21:55 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 02:57:28 2010. Cheap doesn't necessarily buy ugly . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 13:22:51 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Paul Mr. J train on Sun Apr 25 08:58:55 2010. Brilliant, eh? Spend money to demolish the old CNJ station only to spend multiple millions to erect a lookalike, years later. I'd call that pathetic . . . |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Apr 25 13:23:40 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 02:57:28 2010. Let's see what the SEPTA commuter passengers say about the SLVs!!! :-D |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 15:29:27 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 04:14:44 2010. Yeah, your past comments make we want to take you on the blue line so that you can see how cool it really is. :)Also LA "ghettos" aren't really ghetto. Not like you might think. Most of south LA is suburban with manicured lawns. Even Watts is suburban. LA doesn't really have a ghetto in the east coast sense. The closest might be Hispanic areas like Pico-Union or Westlake or maybe parts of Long Beach. Or maybe the central parts of South LA. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 16:30:40 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Apr 24 20:48:34 2010. Cool, an el. |
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Posted by BarnYard on Sun Apr 25 16:34:54 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Apr 23 13:52:46 2010. Good points.I was in Bayonne last week & saw an S-89 leaving 34th St HBLR station with a few standees.Running it all day is a great idea. The big economic benefit is Staten Islanders can work in financial sector jobs in Jersey City.Time & cost effective commute.Sensible Public transport options also widen the talent pool of employees businesses can draw from,making them more competitive. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 16:35:59 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 02:40:45 2010. The CNJ really had no choice. The PRR wanted it and NJDOT made it a requirement for both an increased commuter subsidy and the appropriation for funding the GP40 purchase. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 16:37:04 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 13:22:51 2010. How much would it have cost to maintain it for 30+ years to allow it to be used once again in 2010? |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 16:40:12 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Apr 23 13:52:46 2010. Are you including wait times in those time estimates? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Apr 25 17:05:59 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 03:33:57 2010. LOL, that pic reminds me of Los Santos in San Andereas! The developers of that game made an intersection that looks slimar to that one. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Apr 25 17:07:49 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Apr 24 20:48:34 2010. Nice! Kinda reminds me of JFK Airtrain for some weird reason lol. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 17:22:26 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 16:37:04 2010. It'd still be in use, under my scenario. Now by letting it fall into disuse, the maintenance costs that would have been marginal by comparison are far outweighed by the new capital costs plus future maintenance, never mind the typically low fare recovery ratio of the light rail mode with POP . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 17:23:17 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 16:30:40 2010. Yeah . .. funny how it's so easy to build new els in Bayonne but never NYC . . . |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 17:50:45 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 17:23:17 2010. Somewhat related LA has narrowed down the options for the gold line eastside extension phase 2 (GLEE 2; people love acronyms) had two options move forward from the preliminary studies and both of them are primarily elevated (over 90%). One is next to a freeway (not in it) and the other is through a half industrial/half residential area. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 25 17:53:01 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 17:22:26 2010. never mind the typically low fare recovery ratio of the light rail mode with POP . . .My impression is that the farebox recovery rate is low on NJT's light rail system because the fare is set low, not because of the means of collection. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 18:21:11 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 25 17:53:01 2010. $2.10 for a one way fare isn't low. And $64 monthly isn't that low considering what you get. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 18:35:49 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 25 17:53:01 2010. It's both. It's easy to evade the fare on the light rail the way the system is set up. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 18:36:48 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 18:21:11 2010. I'd say 20% of the light rail's users pay nothing. With the RiverLINE it's probably even higher. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 18:43:18 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 18:36:48 2010. I'm not surprised. More than half of subchatter respondents admitted that they would reuse an unpunched commuter rail ticket. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 18:59:09 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 25 17:53:01 2010. My impression is that the farebox recovery rate is low on NJT's light rail system because the fare is set lowIIRC, from some readings that I'm too lazy to link to right now, the implication was that HBLR's farebox recovery is highly dependent on ridership, and the planners forecast roughly 50% farebox recovery at roughly 50,000 daily riders. Current ridership is at roughly 40,000 daily riders... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 25 18:59:30 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 25 18:36:48 2010. The numbers are also fairly high on our conductor-based fare collection schemes on the commuter RRs. Fundamentally, I think it's that fare was set low, because it was to encourage development, which it certainly has. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 19:12:17 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 18:59:09 2010. So that doesn't explain the low ratio. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 19:18:00 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 17:50:45 2010. "GLEE 2", eh? That's gotta be one of the more horrid acronyms I've read . . . |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 20:25:31 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 19:12:17 2010. So that doesn't explain the low ratio.While the ridership data is relatively recent, there has been no similar attempt at releasing such information for the respective light rail lines on an individual basis as far as I'm aware. So at this point, it's premature to conclude the whether the farebox recovery is commensurate with expectations of the planners. Now, if you can get some recent farebox recovery data along with the rate of evasion along with the amount paid in fines, we may be able to make some sound conclusions. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 20:27:57 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 15:29:27 2010. your past comments make we want to take you on the blue line so that you can see how cool it really isYou'll make for a great shield. :-) Also LA "ghettos" aren't really ghetto. It's not so much the housing stock per se, but the demographics and crime rates that make it a "ghetto". |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Sun Apr 25 20:39:24 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Apr 24 20:48:34 2010. It's a handsome building. I hope it brings in lots more riders.Lee squeak |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Apr 26 12:04:25 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by Tony Clifton on Fri Apr 23 22:38:45 2010. I re-measured a straight line from the intersection of Ave C and West 8th to the waterline, and I got just over 2500'; my initial measurement was from West 8th and Ave D. The photos further down the thread show a more accurate location for the station, but the distance change throws off the entire calculation I made. Still not impossible, but obviously much steeper. And of course, the downward slope of the tunnel approach can continue past the water's edge, depending on the land and water usage in the area. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Apr 26 12:13:07 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 25 07:37:51 2010. I agree with you on all points, except your last; West Virginia was formed by what was recognized as the legitimate Union government of Virginia during the civil war. (http://www.wvculture.org/history/statehood/lincolnopinion.html) |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Apr 26 12:17:35 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Easy on Sun Apr 25 03:33:57 2010. Love how the squeezed in the movement from the 'down-bound' freeway to the 'right-bound' freeway with a loop ramp, instead of the straight flyovers for ever other movement. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 26 12:42:50 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 25 20:27:57 2010. well isn't THAT cute... |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Mon Apr 26 19:43:16 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street Extension PHOTOS From Today (April 24, 2010), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 25 19:18:00 2010. Sounds like a TV series sequel. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Apr 27 13:57:21 2010, in response to Re: HBLR 8 Street extension, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 24 02:46:47 2010. Outstanding. I see a resemblance to the original: Here's a view of the Cranford Shuttle bridge approach:  Continuing in this vein, the cover of the Shuttle timetable:  And just for the hell of it, this seems to be the last usage of 8th Street station:   copped all these pics from here: thebluecomet.com |
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