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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2 |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Feb 15 22:24:06 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 02:50:52 2009. Never thought of it in this angle, but you have a very good point here. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:29:12 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:18:41 2009. Ron,People who don't pay there own way do not realize the cost of the services provided to them free. If you would tell a "real poor" person who is living in a mud hut or shack without running water and where school and healthcare is not free that the gvt gives you a discounted or free house, food every months (food stamps are not to replace a person buying thier own but rather a supplement) they would think you are RICH. In fact a person who works in a store as a clerk, gets section 8 and foo stamps has more spendable money than a hard working person or family making around $40 k in NYC. after taxes and rent (extra high due to those getting subsidies jacking up everyones rent) food etc the worker has less spendable cash (disposable income for all you economic types) |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 22:31:23 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R30A on Sun Feb 15 19:56:23 2009. They would? The former cop that posts here has mentioned smashing the cameras as an acceptable action.Most of the cops that I've known would save face. I once got a speeding ticket from a cop for going 50 in a 35. I knew when I got the ticket that the speed limit was actually 45 and I wasn't even going that fast. So I didn't argue with him, took pictures, and presented my case in course. The cop told several lies in court only to have the judge believe me. Okay, of course a judge can't admit "believing" me, but the judge said that he would give me the benefit of the doubt and dismissed the charges. So I know that cops not only lie, but they have no problem lying under oath. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Feb 15 22:33:36 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 22:31:23 2009. Certainly some cops will. But IMHO, the cops who are good enough not to be obnoxious about photography are usually good enough to know the law. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:34:53 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 02:50:52 2009. "However, I would want the cops to know more about how to deal with people who are auutistic, have Aspergers or other social difficulties. If the cops understand that in some cases, railbuffs are "mouthing off" because they don't have the skills to be diplomatic (they have a disability), the cops can handle things a little differently.Making an arrest involves paperwork, trasportation, creating a court date, etc. I want the cops spending their time on real perps, not railbuffs snapping pictures. " Everyone has their little quirks. One just need to plan ahead and prepare a good response for the police when questioned. Police officers rather be in the field than filling out paper work. The one exception is when a shift is almost over. You are more likely to be taken in because the officer will get overtime. If you fail to plan, you plan to fail |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:38:37 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 19:08:36 2009. Let the cop give you the ticket. If he is wrong the judge will throw it out. Never a good idea to show up someone and the last thing the cop want to do is to look weak in front of his boss. No one does. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:42:32 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 22:31:23 2009. "Okay, of course a judge can't admit "believing" me, but the judge said that he would give me the benefit of the doubt and dismissed the charges. "False. So not only do you have misconceptions, you are also paranoid. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:43:07 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:34:53 2009. Noted. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 22:43:52 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:42:32 2009. What I meant was he can't say right out that he believed me without calling the cop a liar. He went about as far as he could. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:44:28 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:38:37 2009. It's always a good idea to be gentle and allow the cop to maintain dignity. It would be helpful if police supervisors empowered their subordinates to admit mistakes. You get fewer lawsuits that way. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:46:06 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 22:43:52 2009. "What I meant was he can't say right out that he believed me without calling the cop a liar."He can call the cop a liar. Ni problem. It may also be that you didn't tell the story here fully accurately so you could save face. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 22:46:27 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:13:44 2009. I do not live in NYC. Rent here tops out around $200./mo, but that is for an apartment or a house, I do not live in an apartment, or a house, I live in a cell. A room with a bed, a chair, a desk and a Stuffed Lion.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 22:47:34 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:13:44 2009. I do not live in NYC. Rent here tops out around $200./mo, but that is for an apartment or a house, I do not live in an apartment, or a house, I live in a cell. A room with a bed, a chair, a desk and a Stuffed Lion.ROAR |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:47:47 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:44:28 2009. true. Policing is a macho business.Don't know many macho guys that like to admit they are wrong. If you are polite and give them a chance to have a change of heart. That is the best bet to avoid spending time in front of the judge. If you argue you can end up with disorderly conduct or some other trumped up charge. My childhood buddy has a bit of a temper and is stubborn and has been taking into custody a few times for minor crap. His own fault |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:49:42 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 22:46:27 2009. You live in a building. You have access to other parts of the building. Comparing your bedroom to a cell makes you a mouse. You squeak; you do not roar.Do you want to be a mouse or a Lion? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 22:49:43 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:18:41 2009. All of that stuff is the affair of the business manager. I have nothing to do with it.ROAR |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 22:50:00 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R30A on Sun Feb 15 22:33:36 2009. I don't know that the cop in the OP was obnoxious. At least probably not until after the paycheck challenge. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:50:09 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:47:47 2009. Agreed |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:51:31 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:49:42 2009. the lion is more like a sick cat with a fur ball |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:53:06 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:51:31 2009. LOL! |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 22:59:32 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:46:06 2009. I wouldn't even have brought it up if that were the case. It was something like that. I was very nervous in front of the judge.The cop even lied beyond that. He was sitting in a dirt lot on the opposite side of the street when I passed. He pulled out behind me, accelerated, and caught me fairly quickly. The other lie that he told the judge was that he determined my speed by pacing me. I told the judge that he did not. I had measured the distance from where he pulled out to where I was pulled over and said that he couldn't have paced me because the distance was too short. I almost thought that I went to far by essentially calling him a liar, but the judge was cool. The cop and I even walked out of the room at the same time and I could see that he was livid. But it was all his fault. I also once got a ticket in Wyoming. I was on my way to work at 11pm with some coworkers. We had just pulled out of 7-Eleven and he pulled us over. He claimed that I was going 35 in a 25 even though we had just pulled out and going uphill I hadn't even hit 25 yet. I didn't fight that because I thought that the ticket wouldn't transfer to California, but it did. That cop also called the place where I was working at 2am and had me paged over the loudspeaker. He asked some BS question, but he was obviously trying to see if I worked where I said that I did. I was hoping that when he verified my story that he would drop the ticket, but he didn't. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 23:09:02 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 22:59:32 2009. Had a ticket for not having proper registration dismissed. Just got the car from my sister in NJ and did not get the inspection done in 10 days because my girlfriend was im the hospital.The officer claimed he saw that he saw the sticker missing from across diagonally across a street as I turned at 11 pm . I contended that I was not possible considering the distance and angle, and the fact that the street light was out and the glare of my headlights as I turned. I brought pictures and a not from my girlfriends doctor. Ticket dismissed. Pleaded my case with the officer nicely about my girl friend to no avail. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 23:16:35 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 23:09:02 2009. Cool! Most of the time there was no reason for me to fight because I really was speeding. It's almost not worth the trouble. In California you have to plead guilty in order to be eligible for traffic school. I haven't gotten a ticket in years as I'm generally not a fast driver. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 23:25:42 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 22:59:32 2009. "I was very nervous in front of the judge."That I believe. It doesn't mean the judge automatically had it in for you. "The cop and I even walked out of the room at the same time and I could see that he was livid. But it was all his fault." Fine. That still doesn't say the judge had it in for you. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Feb 15 23:43:45 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:23:24 2009. If you act like a smarty pants and try to tell the cop the law, you may insult his ego.Sometimes it works. A police officer once approached a photographer I know who was taking some pictures in Central Park. The officer started on how the photographer needed a permit for a commercial shoot (tripod = commercial in the cops eye). Well the photographer started his spiel which included dropping names of people high in the Mayor's office and saying that because of the way he was being treated by the cop that he would cancel future movie shoots, wedding shoots, etc. that he had planned. Turned out he WAS a commercial photographer - just not doing commercial work on THAT day. The friends he had in the Mayor's office were quite real and I guess the cop did not want trouble for herself so she let him continue taking pictures. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 23:45:02 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Sun Feb 15 23:43:45 2009. That cop, IF she were sincere about her objections to his photography, could have called her supervisor for advice. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Feb 15 23:54:46 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 23:45:02 2009. Lots of people take pictures in Central Park - I know they have permit requirements for commercial shoots but the permits are relatively easy to get. Our group got one last year when we were taking pictures of models in the park and we each had our individual copies to carry since the group split into smaller sections. Cops passed us by but never bothered to ask us for our permits and we had tripods and reflectors. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 23:59:26 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Sun Feb 15 23:54:46 2009. Noted. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 16 02:35:18 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by brightonr68 on Sun Feb 15 22:03:49 2009. Given everything for free as a child, see others not working and have a roof over your head. Why work hard at school or work?Because there's a difference between existing and living. Everyone with only the former wants the latter. US Citizens should have a guaranteed minimum income through a negative income tax. |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Feb 16 08:01:00 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 17:54:17 2009. I learned that the second law of thermodynamics is true: you can’t do useful work with gas bags full of tepid air! |
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Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 16 08:06:35 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 15 00:17:33 2009. Well for the record, Rtype said he reported it to his supervisor when I brought up the possibility that this would snowball into a labor relations/discipline issue. Rtype said it only counts if you've been arrested, and that a summons does not matter. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 16 08:06:48 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 15 00:17:33 2009. Well for the record, Rtype said he reported it to his supervisor when I brought up the possibility that this would snowball into a labor relations/discipline issue. Rtype said it only counts if you've been arrested, and that a summons does not matter. |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Mon Feb 16 08:38:44 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 16 08:06:48 2009. Luch,I spoke to a level 2 supervisor; he told me it is an arrest if you've been processed/fingerprinted or brought to central booking....I was also told the cop has an idea he screwed up, and tacked on the 2 extra tickets because he knows the photography ticket will get tossed....I don't know what the cops defense would be for issuing the other tickets if the photo ticket gets thrown out.....also, I was told any claims you want to make vs the city has to be done in 30 days..... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 16 08:52:21 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by rtype3995 on Mon Feb 16 08:38:44 2009. I understood you the first time. Good luck. Let us know if labor relations calls you tomorrow. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 16 08:55:06 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by rtype3995 on Mon Feb 16 08:38:44 2009. This is true and was my only concern. The Sgt. would have been required even for the ticket to be issued IIRC. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Feb 16 09:15:31 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by rtype3995 on Mon Feb 16 08:38:44 2009. Exactly what I said earlier in the tread: it was never an arrest, only a detention since only summoms' were issued. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Mon Feb 16 09:45:18 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 23:25:42 2009. Was it a real judge? I missed the start of the story...or was it one of those administrative adjudication things they have set up in NYC and other places to rob you of your rights to a fair hearing and the presumption of innocence? You are treated so much better in Nassau County....I've gotten 2 red light tickets in my life...once in NYC where on the corner of Beverley Road and Ralph Avenue, instead of looking for criminals, a cop car was hiding out and I entered the intersection while the light was yellow...this slimeball comes racing out telling me I had passed a steady red and gave me a ticket. I went back to where he had been hiding instead of doing his job, took a picture to show he could not possibly see the color of the light when I entered the intersection. Therefore by signing a summons that he had personally observed the supposed infraction, he had committed perjury. I showed the picture to the administrative adjudicator and this slimeball said he had calibrated the light both before he started hiding and after he wrote the summons....guilty said the judge (despite the obvious perjury in signing a summon saying he had witnessed an infraction when he could not see the light...Contrast that to a situation in Nassau County several years earlier. There, I believe it is so today, traffic court remains traffic court. Before the start of the session, I met with a District Attorney...after listening to my story, he said he would plea bargain the charge down to an equipment violation. I would pay a small fine but it would not go on my license. I agreed to that and that was the end. Obviously a much fairer system in Nassau County than the garbage in NYC where you are guilty as soon as you walk in the door. |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Feb 16 10:08:18 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 17:51:43 2009. So that’s the reason for some of the flatulent responses! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 16 10:47:30 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 22:49:42 2009. Prisoners have the same. Do they pay tax on their "income."'Tis a moot point. This has all been vetted by lawyers, cannon lawyers, and taxmen. ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 16 17:37:07 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 16 10:47:30 2009. cannon lawyersWhat size bore does the cannon have to be before the lawyer will take its case pro bono . . . ? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 16 17:50:55 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MATHA531 on Mon Feb 16 09:45:18 2009. Administrative adjudication is to collect fines, not find you not guilty. In another thread here, it was pointed out that Admin Law Judges (especially those who work part-time) are "motivated", by management, to have high conviction rates, because the city needs the money.The Constitution does not apply in Administrative hearings (or IRS Tax Court, either. The burden of proof in Tax Court is on the defense.) |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Mon Feb 16 18:09:11 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 16 17:50:55 2009. ...but the point is that until 1967 or thereabouts and still till today in places like Nassau County, there were proper courts to administer traffic tickets.In order to take away your rights and to collect money, the city pushed the State to set up administrative adjudication for both traffic court and the PVB. By doing so, your rights to an independent determination of your guilt and the constitutional guarantee that you are not guilty till provent guilty beyond a reasonable doubt was taken away from you. As you say, it is set up just to collect money, not to dispense justice. How can it be fair when I go to contest a traffic ticket which can cost me mucho money and perhaps take away my driver's license, I walk in guilty and of course if it's your word against some of the slimeballs (not all of course) who are cops, who pull me over say because I look like a timid individual so they can meet their quota (and don't tell me quotas don't exist) and then you get a hearing officer who is on the same payroll as the cop who is told to consider you guilty before you even start, what kind of fairness is that? It is done much better in those areas who have not fallen for this administrative adjudication garbage, that's the point. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 16 18:24:02 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MATHA531 on Mon Feb 16 18:09:11 2009. The Transit Adjudication Board (TAB) has been set up like this for DECADES. It's absurd to be ticketed for offenses like putting your foot on a subway seat or walking from one subway car to another, with the fines set at $50 to $75.If you lose at TAB (and you almost certainly will!), and you can't cough up the dough, off to Rikers you'll go, which costs the city many times the value of the fine they were trying to collect. It's absurd. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Feb 16 18:50:16 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 16 18:24:02 2009. Photographers who have been ticketed for "illegal photography" have WON at TAB though. |
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Story Hits the Gothamist (Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Sta) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Feb 16 21:00:56 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009. Click hereAccording to the story the Gothamist asked the NYPD to clarify in which way their rules differ from the MTA rules. So far the NYPD has refused comment. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Feb 16 21:08:50 2009, in response to Story Hits the Gothamist (Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Sta), posted by BMTLines on Mon Feb 16 21:00:56 2009. rt should be contacting the major newspapers (like Pete Donohue of the Daily News pdonohue@nydailynews.com)It appears the NYPD needs a large dose of reality (again) when it comes to photography on the subway. The Daily News would really bring it out into the open (again). |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Feb 16 21:26:28 2009, in response to Re: Story Hits the Gothamist (Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Sta), posted by Allan on Mon Feb 16 21:08:50 2009. I am not sure if rt is contacting the press directly - although at this point I hope he will. The Gothamist got the story indirectly from CarlosMiller.comCarlos in turn got the story indirectly from another photo rights site. Carlos then contacted rt for more details before printing his article, which Gothamist picked up on. Where it spreads from here is anyone's guess. |
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Re: Story Hits the Gothamist (Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Sta) |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Feb 16 21:29:03 2009, in response to Re: Story Hits the Gothamist (Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Sta), posted by BMTLines on Mon Feb 16 21:26:28 2009. Yeah, but without you none of that would have happened. Good job! |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 16 21:37:09 2009, in response to Story Hits the Gothamist (Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Sta), posted by BMTLines on Mon Feb 16 21:00:56 2009. What rules does the NYPD have? Police officers are supposed to enforce statutes that are passed by a legislative body of competnt jurisdiction, no more and no less. The NYPD of itself does not have the authority to pass rules or laws relating to civilians. |
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Re: Story Hits the Gothamist (Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Sta) |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Feb 16 21:50:56 2009, in response to Re: Story Hits the Gothamist (Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Sta), posted by randyo on Mon Feb 16 21:37:09 2009. "The NYPD of itself does not have the authority to pass rules or laws relating to civilians."Try telling them that. |
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