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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Feb 14 09:12:26 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Transit Jeff on Sat Feb 14 00:26:29 2009.

A lot of that stuff in books were taken before 9/11. This anti-photography craze by NYPD started after that.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 09:16:05 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Feb 14 09:10:05 2009.

But this incident is going to gain someone's attention downtown. The story. The long thread. I hope nothing happens, but know better.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Feb 14 09:21:28 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009.

First....

"I'm willing to bet your paycheck", "we proceed to go back and forth on what I can/cant do in regards to the photos"

You said WAY too much here!! And this definitely would constitute disorderly conduct, because the cops would regard this as a challenge to their authority, and plus you are making a scene. Simply, while yes you CAN take photos in the system, if the officer hassles you, don't resort to "smart alec" comments like the quotes above (that's PRECISELY what they want!!!), just comply with them and move on, being sure to get their names, badge numbers, make a log somewhere of this incident, and make a complaint to the NYPD, the ACLU, NYCLU, and yes consider contacting the media and a legal counsel. But never take the condescending, smart alec comment route....you justified them upping the ante by making comments about paycheck betting and ensuing a back and forth with them.....you gave them the ammunition to take the action they took....NEVER PLAY INTO THEIR HANDS!! Simply move on....who wants stress when it can be avoided. Take the right course, and do what people have mentioned here....get names, badge numbers, and complaints to ACLU, NYCLU, NYPD and possible include the media and talk to a legal counsel for advice.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Feb 14 09:27:06 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 07:27:33 2009.

FLip the coin on that one Luch. If he told them he complied with the rules. If he was taking pictures WHILE he was on the payroll, he would be in bigger trouble and I wouldn't be surprised to see them investigate that aspect and crack down on the other guys who take pictures of their in service trains in yards and stations who they have been warning in the past.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 09:27:53 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Feb 14 09:21:28 2009.

You said WAY too much here!! And this definitely would constitute disorderly conduct, because the cops would regard this as a challenge to their authority, and plus you are making a scene.

I agree he said too much. But challenging a cop's authority does NOT constitute disorderly conduct.



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 09:29:06 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 09:16:05 2009.

But this incident is going to gain someone's attention downtown. The story. The long thread. I hope nothing happens, but know better.

He's already posted that he's discussed the incident with his supervior.




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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 14 09:30:22 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 09:27:53 2009.

you do not know how loud he challenged the cops authority.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 09:32:57 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 09:29:06 2009.

Yeah. But he's blowing this whole thing up on the net and the story too. By the time labor relations opens Tuesday morning, it will be an issue.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Feb 14 09:35:30 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 09:27:53 2009.

From the sounds of this, it sounded a lot like this escalated into something very raucous!! I mean, the paycheck comment alone was a tinderbox!! Simply move on!! And my brother is an MTA Police officer, and yes, when you start shooting off your mouth to the cops like this, it is indeed a challenge to their authority in their jurisdiction, and yes grounds for arrest and citation, just the same as if you shoot off your mouth during a traffic stop.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Feb 14 09:39:41 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 09:27:53 2009.

"challenging a cop's authority does NOT constitute disorderly conduct"

Try getting speaky minded to an officer if you are involved in a traffic stop and see what you get charged with!!! Making a scene, and basically escalating an already tense situation by trading words with the cops and making smart alec comments definitely DOES constitute disorderly conduct when they are asking you to leave or move on, is grounds for citation and possibly arrest.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Feb 14 09:51:09 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 09:27:53 2009.

Agreed.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Feb 14 09:53:15 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Feb 14 08:31:33 2009.

Also his qualifications to argue that aspect are stronger (SCAs do call for police when necessary)but were better saved for the TAB hearing than argued to the officers.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 09:56:23 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Feb 14 00:01:58 2009.

If that incident happened anywhere in New York State, the cop and his department can be sued. The EMTs should have refused the cop's unlawful order, unless the cop was willing to take custody of your sister. The EMT's could have called medical control or their own lieutenant, other chief, etc. to settle the dispute.

If your sister really wanted to pursue it, the cop himself can be arrested for obstructing governmental administration (refusing to allow the EMTs to treat and transport your sister) and the EMTs better have an ACR with her signed RMA on it...

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by MATHA531 on Sat Feb 14 09:57:10 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Feb 14 09:51:09 2009.

BS...it's supposedly a free country and there is something called freedom of speech.

Who the hell does these cops think they are? Are they the gestapo? The are supposed to follow rules too.

Many cops are wonderful and do wonderful things. Some are slime and sadists. I always think back to those cops about 20 years ago in the Bronx who rode their patrol car over one of those sensors that changed the color of the light justas somebody was coming so they could give him a ticket for passing a red light. They were slime. But the Mayor of the City of New York saw nothing wrong with that.

It's time like some of these cops are put in their place.

And again I am not talking about all cops but from what I have read here, those cops were absolutely in the wrong no matter what the "perp" said.

But then again, many cops think they're above the law and somehow more important that the rest of us.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by MATHA531 on Sat Feb 14 10:00:33 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009.

Big question...

Are these summonses returnable in an administrative adjudication such as the Traffic Bureau or the PVB where you are guilty when you walk in (of course you have no rights there....if it's your word against the cop, you lose) or criminal court where, supposedly, you are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Administrative adjudication is one of the worst things that was ever perpetrated on the citizens of NYC where you lose all rights granted by the founding fathers under the Constitution.

Secondly, a simple remedy which was introduced in the State Legislature countless times which would mandate automatic dismissal of the charges if the cop doesn't show up has been fought by the city as they see these administrative adjudication things as a way to raise money. Too bad if the person is innocent.

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Contempt Of Cop (Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2)

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 10:02:38 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Sat Feb 14 00:48:36 2009.

Reposted to illustrate why this incident got so out of hand (It's not an actual NYS law, but if the NYPD ever tried to write such a statute, this is how it would look):

New York State Penal Law 25000.10: Contempt Of Cop

A person commits Contempt Of Cop when with malice aforethought, he:

a. Demands the name, rank, and shield number of any police officer or peace officer

b. Demands to know the reason why he was stopped

c. Willfully quotes any section of any New York State Law to any police officer or peace officer

d. Attempts to memorize the name, rank, and shield number of any police officer or peace officer

e. Challenges, verbally, or by physical gesture, including sign language, the authority of any police officer or peace officer

f. Photographs or films any incident, altercation, or operations of police officers in any place, public or private. Photography of any train, subway, light rail vehicle, or trolley is an aggravating circumstance for the purposes of this statute.

Contempt of cop is a Class E Felony, punishable by a beatdown, arrest, and subsequent incarceration under a name other than the perpetrator's actual name, so as to prevent location of perpetrator by family members or legal counsel, for an indefinite period.



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 10:04:02 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Feb 14 09:57:10 2009.

This issue is no longer about individual cops. NYPD brass is fully aware of what cops are doing in the street with respect to harassing photographers. By refusing to issue a memo they are tacitly approving of this behavior. We need to keep filing complaints with organizations like the NYCLU until a major class action lawsuit is filed against the city. Instead of a few isolated photographers settling for 5 - 10k each lets sue the city as a class for hundreds of millions! THAT will get their attention!

I think a public protest is also in order - in front of MTA headquarters - not just riding the subway - get a protest permit - bullhorns and signs!!. Rent the inflatable rat too!

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Feb 14 10:04:38 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Feb 14 09:57:10 2009.

I remember that incident in detail. They had DOT hotwire the traffic light relay box along Pelham Parkway exiting the Zoo to go to red upon their commands with a very shortened amber. Somebody had the guts to return to the site with video camera and it made the news.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 10:07:28 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Feb 14 10:00:33 2009.

The photography summons is most likely to be handled by the Transit Adjudication Bureau. Similar summonses have all been dismissed simply on the basis of 1050.9c. The TAB judges know the law when it comes to that. It doesn't matter what the cop argues - photography is legal - no ifs, ands or buts!

The others - I don't know.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 10:08:35 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Feb 14 08:38:22 2009.

Intimidation WORKS. Commissioner Kelly is exactly right in stating that it doesn't matter whether the city wins or loses in court, fear keeps most people in line.

Arrest usually means suspension or firing from many people's jobs, plus there is the possibility of jail time. An arrest is notoriously difficult to expunge from your record if you are acquitted. Then, there's the presumption of guilt, especially if the offense you get arrested for is "socially disgusting"...

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by error46146 on Sat Feb 14 10:13:27 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 13 07:04:42 2009.

absolutely 100% true !

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 10:13:27 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 09:27:53 2009.

Challenging a cop's authority will get you "contempt of cop". See my other post on this.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 10:15:03 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 10:13:27 2009.

It's because of people like you that cops act like assholes sometimes.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by error46146 on Sat Feb 14 10:18:32 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009.

i really feel sorry for you, hopefully you will win this case and these morons be punished for what they did!

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by error46146 on Sat Feb 14 10:22:17 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Feb 14 10:00:33 2009.

it should be in criminal court, he was arrested and taken down to the police station not just fined for it

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 10:23:03 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 10:15:03 2009.

I seriously beg to differ. The "Contempt Of Cop" concept has been around since the first cop walked the beat. It's an outgrowth of the idea that ANY challenges to a cop's authority must be dealt with severely and immediately. Otherwise, in the minds of the cops, respect for the law--in the person of the indiviual officer--goes down the toilet.

I've seen cops who are professional, calm, and courteous in the face of the worst provocation. I've also seen cops goad people into getting arrested, just by pushing people's buttons. It goes both ways.

However, getting into a pissing contest with a cop is never a good idea. If things blow up, you can always fight it out in court later. There is no due process at the end of a baton or 9 mm. Never provoke the cops...

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by R PansePCC on Sat Feb 14 10:25:41 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Feb 14 09:35:30 2009.

I agree with your original post on the tone with the cops being wrong, and it is interesting to hear that your brother is an MTA police officer.

I wonder if he can explain why so many officers think, and state, that photography is illegal when it isn't?

In your original post you mentioned being a wise ass to a cop is exactly what they want. Why would they want this?

Does this mean that many cops, I'm not including your brother of course, try to bait innocent people into disorderly conduct when their stop and question session is baseless?

Thanks for your input on this matter.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 10:28:01 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 10:23:03 2009.

I don't think you're a trouble maker like Salaam, but this guy who started this thread, I just don't know.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Ken S. on Sat Feb 14 10:30:32 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 10:23:03 2009.

I've seen cops who are professional, calm, and courteous in the face of the worst provocation.

Here's a clip of one of those kind of cops on Youtube. I think this is uncensored BTW.


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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 10:32:04 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Ken S. on Sat Feb 14 10:30:32 2009.

I've seen that one! It's priceless.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 10:34:04 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Feb 14 09:35:30 2009.

From the sounds of this, it sounded a lot like this escalated into something very raucous!! I mean, the paycheck comment alone was a tinderbox!! Simply move on!! And my brother is an MTA Police officer, and yes, when you start shooting off your mouth to the cops like this, it is indeed a challenge to their authority in their jurisdiction, and yes grounds for arrest and citation, just the same as if you shoot off your mouth during a traffic stop.

You are incorrect about the law. You are correct about it being unwise behavior.



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by R PansePCC on Sat Feb 14 10:44:28 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 10:28:01 2009.

Salaam is not a trouble maker. He is extremely polite and respectful. I have met him and I enjoy being in his company. You may disagree with him politically, as I do on a certain issue, but he is great to hang out with. Then again I may be a bad judge of character, I also enjoy the company of riff raff such as Fred G., Milantram, Transit Chuck G., Terrapin Station, Bingham C50, David Pirmann, chuchubob, BeeFlexible, Newkirk Plaza David, Trevor, monorail, Joe Saitta, Jeff H., Doug Grotjahn, David Greenberger...etc. LOL

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 10:47:44 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R PansePCC on Sat Feb 14 10:44:28 2009.

He sounds like one based on his posts. A motorman got in trouble b/c of Salaam.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by R PansePCC on Sat Feb 14 10:54:32 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 10:47:44 2009.

Oops I forgot I met JZ BMT too, wish we could have hung out longer. Another great guy. Sorry for the omission JZ.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 14 10:55:31 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Feb 13 23:21:14 2009.

The LION has a digital voice recorder. It is hanging from my neck in plain sight. (I was recording trains as they entered and left the stations, I thought I might use the sound effects on ly layout.)

I also had that thing running when I went to a political meeting with Sen. Byron Dorgan. I never did get to ask him why Rush Limbaugh calls him helmet head. Hes a nice guy from the next town over but he's still a democrat.

Anyway, always make a voice recording of your interactions with the officers. And then be damn sure you never raise your own voice or become argumentative with him. Yes sir. No sir. And Three Bags Full Sir ought to cover all that you need to say.

ROAR

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 11:10:57 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R PansePCC on Sat Feb 14 10:54:32 2009.

I can tell from their posts that Fred and JZ are good people. Same with AlM, Selkirk, GP38Chris and a few others I forgot. SUBWAYSURF seems so goofy, I'd love to meet him too.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by FLASH GORDON on Sat Feb 14 11:26:19 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 10:34:04 2009.

If they would only learn to keep their mouth shut there would be no problem.
Worked for NYPD for five and a half years and spent time with them on their posts so I know how they are and most wont put up back talk.
Show them the paper on taking pictures and make sure it has a working phone number on it and what ever they tell you do it and say nothing.
You wont win weather you are right or not so keep quiet.
They always seem to find the guys with the big mouth who can't keep
it shut.
Just wait for another day or go to another line.

FLASH GORDON

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 14 11:27:24 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Feb 14 00:01:58 2009.

Once we are on the scene the officers leave all medical stuff to us. They will do what we ask of them to help us. According to the EMS handbooks you are supposed to let the officer hold the IV bag (or a blanket to provide privacy if you are in a public place).

ROARING

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 11:27:28 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R PansePCC on Sat Feb 14 10:54:32 2009.

That's OK. Thank you for the compliment!

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by FLASH GORDON on Sat Feb 14 11:35:56 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R PansePCC on Sat Feb 14 10:25:41 2009.

It maybe a way of showing that they are doing something while on
duty and can show they are doing something.
If they have an empty memo book at the end of the week it looks bad.
The thing of giving out so many tickets in a week could be the
problem too.

FLASH GORDON

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by R PansePCC on Sat Feb 14 11:38:51 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 11:10:57 2009.

I would have mentioned hanging out with GP38Chris, but I've never met him. We exchange e mails off the board but so far we haven't crossed paths.

BTW where are you now? Are you around my neighborhood yet? I go back to work this Thursday so if you want to meet up let me know.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 11:43:02 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by FLASH GORDON on Sat Feb 14 11:35:56 2009.

Tickets = activity. If the cops want certain vacation days or more favorable assignments, they have to show activity. Tickets also bring in revenue, which is one reason why even as the city gets ready to lay off thousands, the NYPD will continue to hire traffic agents.



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 11:51:23 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R PansePCC on Sat Feb 14 11:38:51 2009.

I am stuck in Florida. But when I'm back, I'll be on 116 Street almost daily visiting friends. I will let you know when I am in NY for sure.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 14 12:00:16 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Feb 14 09:39:41 2009.

To be specific...

Disorderly conduct.

No person on or in any facility or conveyance shall:

1. litter, dump garbage, liquids or other matter, create a nuisance, hazard or unsanitary condition (including, but not limited to, spitting, or urinating, except in facilities provided). Trash and other waste materials contained in waste receptacles shall not be removed, except by persons duly authorized by the Authority;
2. smoke or carry an open flame or lighted match, cigar, cigarette, pipe or torch;
3. sleep or doze where such activity may be hazardous to such person or to others or may interfere with the operation of the Authority’s transit system or the comfort of its passengers;
4. engage in any form of gambling, except as specifically authorized as, for example, at OTB parlors;
5. create any sound through the use of any sound production device, except as specifically authorized by 1050.6(c) of these rules. Use of radios and other devices listened to solely by headphones or earphones and inaudible to others is permitted;
6. throw, drop or cause to be propelled any stone, projectile or other article at, from, upon, in or on a facility or conveyance;
7. drink any alcoholic beverage or possess any opened or unsealed container of alcoholic beverage, except on premises duly licensed for the sale of alcoholic beverages, such as bars and restaurants;
8. enter or remain in any facility or conveyance while his or her ability to function safely in the environment of an Authority transit system is impaired by the consumption of alcohol or by the taking of any drugs;
9. conduct himself or herself in any manner which may cause or tend to cause annoyance, alarm or inconvenience to a reasonable person or create a breach of the peace;
10. (1) occupy more than one seat on a station, platform or conveyance when to do so would interfere or tend to interfere with the operation of the Authority’s transit system or the comfort of other passengers; (2) place his or her foot on a seat on a station, platform or conveyance; (3) lie on the floor, platform, stairway, landing or conveyance; or (4) block free movement on a station, stairway, platform or conveyance; or
11. commit any act which causes or may tend to cause harm to oneself or to any other person including, but not limited to:
1. riding a bicycle or straddling a bicycle while it is in motion, or riding a scooter, or any other self-propelled vehicle or any motor-propelled vehicle;
2. wearing roller skates or in-line skates; or
3. riding or otherwise standing on a skateboard.
4. Paragraph one of this subdivision does not apply to the proper use of self-propelled or motor propelled wheelchairs or similar devices by a nonambulatory individual.


In addition to the one on photography, you should also carry this one with you. Let it be your guide. Item i) in this case might be problematic for you. Not for me, mind you, I'd toss that one out too, but surely enough for a officer to try it out on you to see how it fits.

Better to be a LION. Then you can EAT bad officers.

ROAR

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 14 12:02:38 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 11:43:02 2009.

Oh god, yeah traffic agents are on the blitz now, they will target any car by the bus stop or an expiring meter. They won't even care if the person is just standing there for under 5min. This is why local congressmen have to pass some sort of 5min grace period thing to cars standing by.

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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 12:04:52 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 14 12:00:16 2009.

Exactly. Telling cop that he's screwing up royally may be very foolish and definitely not recommended, but it's not illegal.


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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 14 12:05:06 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Feb 14 10:04:38 2009.

In that case good for the person w/the video camera exposing those bastards.

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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 14 12:05:27 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 14 10:32:04 2009.

Lol totally.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 12:06:31 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 14 12:02:38 2009.

The bus stop is a "no standing" zone so you are not allowed to stay there even for 5 minutes. What I do object to is cops that try to issue tickets when people are simply picking up or dropping off a passenger at a bus stop - you ARE allowed to do that under the "no standing" regulations.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 14 12:18:20 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 14 10:28:01 2009.

Other than those KKK/Nazi posts, he isn't that bad.

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