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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Feb 15 00:23:42 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by 156n3rd on Sat Feb 14 20:47:36 2009.

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well we know Bu$h blew that !!
& he did not care where he was
even if he was homeless in the park near the white house
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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Feb 15 00:25:24 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Feb 14 18:18:28 2009.

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i know i am putting myself at risk but thats the price i have to pay
for freedom
photrography is not a crime !


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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 15 00:32:01 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 00:18:40 2009.

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yes, it's Manhattanville.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 00:39:02 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 14 22:16:12 2009.

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If he was not fingerprinted then his was not arrested. He was detained and transported to a suitable locations were summonses in lieu of arrest could be issued. If a DAT (Desk Appearance ticket) was issued, then he was arrested for a finger printable offense, and most likely he was fingerprinted before he left the Police facility.

Michael

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 01:08:42 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 14 08:57:03 2009.

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Good Luck to him, I guess photographers rights are more important to him then a semi-peaceful MTA-NYCT career.

Michael

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 01:11:23 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Feb 14 09:27:06 2009.

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There is always some clown that will ruin everything.

That's the way of the world.

Michael

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 15 01:16:08 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 01:08:42 2009.

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At least someone understands what I was saying.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by transitbuff on Sun Feb 15 01:21:21 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MGL on Sat Feb 14 23:55:25 2009.

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AND VERY REAL, TOO.!!!

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sun Feb 15 01:38:14 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 14 18:05:40 2009.

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Lose freedoms under Repub rule = fascism
Lose freedom under Democrat rule = "Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures."

I suppose anyone could simply switch the two to fit their party appropriately. =(

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Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs)

Posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 01:38:48 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 00:22:18 2009.

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If it is such a better question, do you think that should have been the question you asked? Instead of the question/comment you did ask about this thread.

Michael



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 01:42:32 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by transitbuff on Sun Feb 15 01:21:21 2009.

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I can't read minds!

What is so very real about what was written?

Michael

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 01:45:06 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 00:18:40 2009.

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Thank, it's also nice to know they have someone in charge of quality control.

Michael

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 01:46:31 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 15 01:16:08 2009.

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You know, some people learn the hard way.

Michael

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Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs)

Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 01:51:50 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 01:38:48 2009.

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No.

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Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs)

Posted by MGL on Sun Feb 15 01:56:21 2009, in response to Re: A Question for Rtype ONLY (Was: I was taken in handcuffs), posted by Easy on Sun Feb 15 01:51:50 2009.

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OK then.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 02:17:54 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by G1RavagesDad on Sat Feb 14 20:49:39 2009.

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Your distinction is meant in a childish way. It's technically correct, but in practice, stupid.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 02:50:52 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Feb 14 22:11:38 2009.

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A number of railbuffs have difficulty with interpersonal communication and social cues. These difficulties do not often show up on discussion boards. But in person it can be a problem.

I am not saying the cops were right in this case. They were not.

However, I would want the cops to know more about how to deal with people who are auutistic, have Aspergers or other social difficulties. If the cops understand that in some cases, railbuffs are "mouthing off" because they don't have the skills to be diplomatic (they have a disability), the cops can handle things a little differently.

Making an arrest involves paperwork, trasportation, creating a court date, etc. I want the cops spending their time on real perps, not railbuffs snapping pictures.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 07:34:00 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Feb 15 00:23:42 2009.

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Osama Bin was HANDED to CLINTON on a silver platter, and Clinton wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.

At least Bush tried!

ROAR

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 07:37:46 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Buffer on Sun Feb 15 01:38:14 2009.

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RINO = Republican In Name Only... i.e. a Democrat
DINO = Democrat In Name Only... i.e. a Socialist

ROAR = A Hungry LION who would EAT them ALL and start over!

ROAR

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by f179dj on Sun Feb 15 10:16:33 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Feb 14 17:31:45 2009.

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well, jeez, it's been almost a month. where are the executive orders reversing these policies?

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 11:43:48 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by MATHA531 on Sat Feb 14 17:31:45 2009.

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You are quite wrong and mistaken.

Republicans stand for more individual rights than you will ever know of.
It is the Social-Democrat-Communists that you really have to watch out for. But don't take my word for it. First they will shut down talk radio, then then when there is no one left to object they will wrap up all of your other freedoms in a burlap sack and reef them in the ocean.

Oh but the HSRs will run on time.

ROAR

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 12:29:46 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 11:43:48 2009.

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"Republicans stand for more individual rights than you will ever know of."

Especially if you have money. Republicans believe in the freedom to ignore other peoples' subsidy of your activity. It's called hypoctosy and Republicans are good at it.


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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 12:30:03 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 11:43:48 2009.

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"Republicans stand for more individual rights than you will ever know of."

Especially if you have money. Republicans believe in the freedom to ignore other peoples' subsidy of your activity. It's called hypocrisy and Republicans are good at it.


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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sun Feb 15 12:42:36 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 13 01:45:18 2009.

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Theres two sides to every story and explaining to these prick cops the truth is NOT mouthing off. or else become cattle like a lot of people these days seem to prefer. Karl M

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 15:08:46 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 12:29:46 2009.

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Wrong.

Republicans would like that everybody should be well off.

Democrats would like that everybody be shit poor.

Take your choice!

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 15:09:28 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 12:30:03 2009.

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You are repeating yourself.

Should I repeat myself?

ROAR

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by f179dj on Sun Feb 15 15:12:21 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 15:08:46 2009.

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lol; i owe you a couple of CARE packages,btw.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Feb 15 15:25:35 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R PansePCC on Sat Feb 14 10:25:41 2009.

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Well, my brother IS informed of the memorandum that was out about photography being LEGAL in the MTA system, providing it is not being done in restricted areas.

It should be noted that the MTA Police have no call in the security of the NYCT system, NYPD Transit Division does, and sadly it is not well explained to them about the legality of photography in the system, they just do as their superiors inform them, and a lot of them, and I do mean A LOT, are still in the 9/11 mode of hassling anyone snapping pics in the system, why I wish I could truly explain, but it mainly boils down to inability of the superiors of getting information out to them about photography and its legality.



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Feb 15 15:29:34 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 10:34:04 2009.

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Really??? If I was wrong, why do people who get mouthy end up in cuffs???? It happens in incidents like this and Nilet's GCT fracas, and I have personally seen traffic stops escalate into the driver being cuffed for being a little too speaky minded!!

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Feb 15 15:32:15 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 14 10:34:04 2009.

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Wrong about the law???? Doesn't making smart ass comments to officers and instigating confrontations rather than simply heeding their orders constitute disorderly conduct??? I knew it to be such!!

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by R PansePCC on Sun Feb 15 15:59:40 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Feb 15 15:25:35 2009.

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OK Thanks for the info.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:03:07 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Feb 15 15:32:15 2009.

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Al's right.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by f179dj on Sun Feb 15 16:03:48 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 12:29:46 2009.

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Ron: u got a problem w/having money $

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:03:58 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Feb 15 15:29:34 2009.

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A lot of people are handcuffed only to be released later without even a summons being issued.



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:04:36 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 15:08:46 2009.

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Other way around.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:05:06 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by f179dj on Sun Feb 15 16:03:48 2009.

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No. I like money. I do not want poor to subsidize rich.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by f179dj on Sun Feb 15 16:11:54 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:05:06 2009.

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never been my experiece, but, then, your mileage may vary, i had to scrouge and save every dollar of it.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:20:08 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by f179dj on Sun Feb 15 16:11:54 2009.

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Actually, it's been your experience every day since you were born. You're just not paying attention.

Every time a suburban soccer mom gets on the expressway with her SUV in Nassau County, a poor schlub who is subway dependent subsidizes her use of the road.

Every time I take an itemizable tax deduction, some poor schlub who can't use any of those deductions pays extra tax for me.

When I pay a flat sales tax to fund road-building, as occurs in the midwest (example: Jackson County, MO - Kansas City area), the poor are hit harder than the rich.

When taxes are cut across the board, as opposed to graduated based on income, the rich can put a much higher proportion away in savings. The poor cannot, and hence end up doing more spending proprtionally and paying more tax.





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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:24:27 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:20:08 2009.

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Oh, and don't forget, the rich have an easier time breaking the law and ripping off taxpayers.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by f179dj on Sun Feb 15 16:48:05 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:20:08 2009.

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nice try; i don't want to get into an argument. I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination (except the dems, but i just retired so my income has dropped below their threshold).

I pick up pennies from the street and have three cars (but still take the bus and subway whenever possible)what do i care about "soccer moms," whatever they are. I have to deal with what i have to deal with: putting my child through -yeah private school, college (NYU), pay the mortage, maintain the house---all on a civil servant's salary. Go figure. But I'm rich other people say; they should walk in my shoes and eat rice and beans every night (with lots of hot peppers,mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:50:51 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by f179dj on Sun Feb 15 16:48:05 2009.

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Put it this way: If Ms. soccer mom paid her fair share of taxes, your take home pay would be higher and the subway fares lower.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 15 16:54:05 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by f179dj on Sun Feb 15 16:48:05 2009.

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Damn, 3 cars and NYU? The 3 cars - what [brands] are they and did you pay off the payments for all of them? *just curious.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by f179dj on Sun Feb 15 16:59:31 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 15 16:54:05 2009.

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Brands don't matter, though two are Chrysler; the other is Japanese (all paid in cash). NYU yeah, we are hock up to our ears, but are rich according to the government.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by pd11604 on Sun Feb 15 17:10:45 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 13 00:07:26 2009.

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>>> Had the supervisor (sergeant) said, "Photography's fine; let him go," it would have been over with no harm done <<<

Cops always protect other cops

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 17:27:13 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by pd11604 on Sun Feb 15 17:10:45 2009.

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There was nothing to protect. The sergeant should have said "Let him go." No harm, no foul. The patrol officers would learn about decision making and diplomacy. They were already deferring a decision to their supervisor, so they did not have to save face.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 17:39:25 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:05:06 2009.

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They do not, I assure you. At least not until this last corp. bailout boondoggle.

ROAR

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 17:40:29 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:20:08 2009.

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Every time a suburban soccer mom gets on the expressway with her SUV in Nassau County, a poor schlub who is subway dependent subsidizes her use of the road.

How so? Does he put gasoline in the subway train?

ROARING

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by bklyntekgeek on Sun Feb 15 17:42:31 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 17:27:13 2009.

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Most likely here's what'll happen to him in court.

If you're lucky, chances are your case will be taken to the Manhattan Criminal Court (btw if you're lucky on that day you might find a few popular music stars there too.) The day I went for my so called "discon", I ran into someone affiliated with "the game".

So hey, take it as a nice little vaca sort of speak out of the trouble lol.

Anyways back to point. Most likely, if the judge is lenient, your case will be lowered to just "discon". Stay clean for a year because this is only a misdemeanor. Get a lawyer obviously to fight the case. Tell the lawyer everything. From there you'll be fine.

No problems with records, everything goes clean after 1 year of the court date.

Take my advice, not worth fighting back with cops.

You have the nice ones and you have the ones that are just out of the academy (rookies) who think they're showoffs. Had my run in with some of them from the 75th.

Next time when a cop stops you, as some people mentioned here, keep quiet, let them talk what they have to say. Keep calm and just get a lawyer and fight back.

And yes, I also believe this was unjust.

A few years ago, I got pulled over for having a Bike on a sidewalk. I was 2 blocks away from my house. This was a rookie who pulled me over and gave a summons for a bike on the sidewalk. Claim made? "You can commit crimes on a bike"

Spoke to one of the cops I knew about it and he even agreed it was wrong (can't say the real statement but pretty much she was a b..." lol).

So yep.. Good luck with your case buddy and hey let us know which famous people you'll find when you go to Manhattan Criminal Court :D



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 17:45:51 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:20:08 2009.

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Every time I take an itemizable tax deduction, some poor schlub who can't use any of those deductions pays extra tax for me.

So don't itemize your return.

BTW: The bottom 50% of income earners pay less than 5% of the total federal tax bill. Indeed...

The Top 50% pay 96.54% of All Income Taxes
(The top 1% pay more than a third: 34.27%)

Methinks your poor subsidize the rich is full of rich fertilizer.

Source (it is available from government sources too, but I *know* the link to this one.)

MOO

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 15 17:48:12 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 15 16:20:08 2009.

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When I pay a flat sales tax to fund road-building, as occurs in the midwest (example: Jackson County, MO - Kansas City area), the poor are hit harder than the rich.


How can they pay more? They are not spending more. The rich *always* pay more sales tax than the poor because the rich spend more money. (Which btw, is earned by the poor.)

Ekonomy 101 was not your strong suit, I take it.

ROAR

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