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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 13 07:10:30 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Mac5689 on Thu Feb 12 21:10:31 2009.

No. These officers need to change their attitude or be fired. Someone needs to start suing individual officers for exemplary damages.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 13 07:16:19 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 13 07:04:42 2009.

Do you know how much it costs to start a lawsuit?

Besides, if someone is on a subway platform letting trains go by, while just taking photos, I wonder if the cops can get away with a loitering charge? Maybe Jeff Rosen would know.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 13 07:19:08 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 13 07:10:30 2009.

It is frustrating. I can't believe a memo has not been distributed telling officers to lay off the photo buffs.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 13 07:26:47 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 13 07:16:19 2009.

Do you know how much it costs to start a lawsuit?

I have a fair idea, but you have to admit it would be a good thing to break the power of the Tammany PD.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Feb 13 07:27:59 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 12 22:19:33 2009.

It's Bush's fault! :-)

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by HarryP on Fri Feb 13 07:34:28 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009.

This is another case of total disregard for the rights guaranteed in our constitution, and the poor training of the NYPD. I agree with the fact that you should've been a little more diplomatic with the officers; but still, your rights were violated, and the charges will not stand up in court.

As a retired police officer, I find the officers' conduct totally repulsive and a complete abuse of power. None of these charges are crimes -- e.g., felonies or misdemeanors -- so don't worry about that. For the disorderly conduct charge they would have to prove that you created some "public alarm" by being very loud and boisterous, which according to your report, did not occur unless you were screaming at the officers and a crowd gathered around. I also do not see how you were impeding traffic, unless you had a photo shoot set up with tripods, lights, and other props! As for the unauthorized photography charge, there is no rule or law prohibiting it, as long as you were following their guidelines.

You said that a supervisor (sergeant) stated that police rules are different from the TA rules. This is totally erroneous and definitely should be addressed in your complaint. Also, you state that you were denied use of the restroom facilities and a phone call until you were ready to leave. This is totally unacceptable.

I highly recommend that you retain an attorney who deals in civil rights or constitutional law. He might take the case on a contingency basis, where he takes his fee out of the settlement. Also, immediately file a complaint with the NYPD CCRB (Civil Complaint Review Board), giving all the facts. Also, contact the media. They love stories like this!

BTW, Freeman Street Station holds a special place in my heart. It was my home station in the 1950s and early '60s, and I spent many hours of railfanning and photography there.

Good luck and don't worry!

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 13 07:41:28 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 13 07:26:47 2009.

Well, I meant to say "How much to start a lawsuit with a good lawyer"? Probably $10,000 to go against NYPD. And on something like this, where no one was hurt, I don't see anything happening.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 13 07:48:09 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 13 07:41:28 2009.

Yes, I'm aware that what's right is expensive.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by rtype3995 on Fri Feb 13 07:55:16 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by HarryP on Fri Feb 13 07:34:28 2009.

I appricate the responses/support in the matter....I do agree I shouldn't have bet the paycheck route,but I felt at the time the officers were wrong, and I have the rules of conduct saved as a bookmark on my blackberry here in regards to photography....they didn't even want to hear it....so at that point, I told him if I'm in violation, write the ticket; and we'll let the courts decide....
I'll pay a visit to ccrb on monday afternoon after work....I'll also look to get in contact with someone at aclu and see what happens.....then from there I'll move forward with any potential litigation if that is a option......
When I was in the cell with the others, I told them this cop has a personal vendetta against me(that's probably why he took his time processing everything)....

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 13 07:56:30 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 13 07:04:42 2009.

I think the individual is protected in a case like this but in spirit I certainly would go after the individual.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 13 08:04:35 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Fri Feb 13 07:55:16 2009.

Well, CCRB should be closed on Monday. He probably took his time for the OT.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 13 08:07:34 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 12 22:19:33 2009.

What can B. O. do about it?

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Feb 13 08:08:36 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Feb 12 23:07:48 2009.

Thus roared the mighty lion ! Now let me get back to my electric trains.



Bill "Newkirk"

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Feb 13 08:11:50 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Feb 12 23:50:06 2009.

I was at freeman st on the 2 on the s/b plat taking pics...a officer(p.o mede/#6673)yelled to me just as I was getting on the train to leave....he asked for I.d; I showed him and he proceeds to tell me I'm not supposed to be taking pics...I told him I'm sorry I didn't know that.

You can add this to the last sentence:

I'll leave on the next train officer. I don't want to cause any trouble.

Bill "Newkirk"


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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by rtype3995 on Fri Feb 13 08:12:12 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 13 08:04:35 2009.

I'll find out for sure, but I'd love to see him in court and see what he would tell the judge, because techincally,I was on one end of the s/b plat, and he was on the opposite end of n/b plat...I have to go back 2X; one for the photography, and the other for the discon/impeding traffic.....

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 13 08:13:11 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009.

Photography charges will be dropped, but your fault was opening your mouth, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law;-)

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Deaks on Fri Feb 13 08:14:05 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 12 21:04:33 2009.

I don't know whether it justifies being charged or not, but if it was me I wouldn't have mentioned anything about betting a paycheck or such.

It is still scandalous what happened, though.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Deaks on Fri Feb 13 08:16:06 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R PansePCC on Thu Feb 12 21:21:13 2009.

That is right, you can never win an argument with a policeman no matter how insignificant a matter it might be over.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 13 08:16:07 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Fri Feb 13 08:12:12 2009.

So you got a dat for two dates? I guess you didn't go to central booking.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Deaks on Fri Feb 13 08:19:30 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 00:07:19 2009.

Because the train, or whatever it was he was taking pix of, will be there another day. No, you shouldn't have to apologise for doing something that's not illegal, but I am of the same opinion as Mabstoa: take the easy way out, diffuse the situation, complain when you get home, come back another day if necessary and hope the same cops don't see you again!

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 08:19:59 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 13 07:41:28 2009.

Several photographers have already won similar lawsuits around the country. There are lawyers out there who are more than willing to take this on a contingency basis. The settlements have averaged $4,000 per hour of detention.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Deaks on Fri Feb 13 08:22:16 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 13 07:04:42 2009.

Yes, but cops - I am sure - stick together. Thus if you were to sue one personally, I would 'bet a paycheck' that the others would do their best to make life difficult for railfans by more legitimate means.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Feb 13 08:24:07 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009.

There should be cameras (for the C/R) at Freeman station. One of these cameras might have some video footage of your location and the ensuring encounter with you and the cops.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 08:25:05 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 13 07:19:08 2009.

It is frustrating. I can't believe a memo has not been distributed telling officers to lay off the photo buffs.

The NYCLU currently has a lawsuit pending against the NYPD to force them to do just that. The NYPD and Mayor Bloomberg are outright refusing to issue the memo. They have been repeatedly put on notice by the NYCLU that there is a serious problem between photographers and cops.

I suspect it is because they really do support what the cops are doing in the field. The administration gets to give lip service to the photo rights and other freedoms while at the same time unleashing its police force to attack those freedoms virtually unchallenged.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 08:32:42 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Deaks on Fri Feb 13 08:19:30 2009.

Because the train, or whatever it was he was taking pix of, will be there another day.

That does not end the problem. We need a major lawsuit to end this problem once and for all. The NYPD and the MTA need to be sued to the ground over this issue and the only way that will happen is if more photographers stand up for their rights. Walking away and sulking at home is not always an option.

I may pretend I am moving on but then I would at the very least take down badge numbers and immediately start filing complaints with the NYCLU and CCRB as soon as the cops left. Those cops badge numbers and reputations would also be trashed all over the net before they could say "blackberry" :)

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Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Feb 13 08:39:58 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 13 00:14:18 2009.

They are allowed to use the handcuffs, "for your safety and ours" to quote when I was placed in the bracelets while they did wants and warrants when they thought I was fare beating. Though they called Central on the radio and didn't run me down to the district.

They didn't like your attitude so you got hit with three bills instead of one and did the trip.

Even though you are in the right, a little respect / curtsey goes a long way.



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 08:46:55 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009.

I do have another observation - based on the number of photos I see posted here daily and the fact that virtually no encounters with police were being reported I presumed that the situation on NYC Transit had improved. Apparently that assumption was not correct.

I had no problems last summer when I was photographing the models on various lines. I did have a minor issue that was reported here on the holiday train but that had nothing to do with my right to take pictures :)

Were there really no incidents or were people who post here just being quiet about them?

Based on the recent rash of reported incidents in Penn Station and several other reports that are starting to pop up on Flickr I wonder if we just started to become complacent and that the NYPD is now escalating its war on photographers once more.

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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Feb 13 08:51:02 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009.

Disorderly conduct could have fallen under "i" of 1050.7 "conduct himself or herself in any manner which may cause or tend to cause annoyance,..."

I know if you tell me your betting my paycheck that would be an "annoyance" to me ;)



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Posted by rtype3995 on Fri Feb 13 08:51:22 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 08:25:05 2009.

I read about the potential suit against nypd.....I'm sure they are using 9/11 as a reason not to issue that memo about photography.....

The bad part about this:this cop thinks nypd cares about him....if he is found in the wrong, I believe he loses vacation days.....a lot of these cops out here are so zealous in their attempt to make a name for themselves,they don't care whose rights they infringe on....I think he was more suprised I was persistant on the issue.....
The issue with photographers probably won't go away anytime soon, and with some of the payouts that was mentioned at an avg of 4,000 per hour detained, it's pennies and not a big deal to them.....

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 08:56:55 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Fri Feb 13 08:51:22 2009.

You may want to contact this law firm - I understand they represented the person arrested in the recent Amtrak incident:

http://www.cohenfitch.com/



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Feb 13 09:03:35 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Fri Feb 13 08:51:22 2009.

I'm sure they are using 9/11 as a reason not to issue that memo about photography

It's not a reason as much as it is an excuse at this point.

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Posted by rtype3995 on Fri Feb 13 09:13:46 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 08:46:55 2009.

Thanks for the website; I'll check it out....

As for the # of stops, this is stop #3 now, and the previous 2 went ok...in the first encounter, I showed the officer the rules of conduct,and suffient Id... and we had a disagrement...but eventually I was allowed to continue...that was at elder ave....
The second one was at 80/hudon on the A....I still have the picture of the train pulling in, and the cop peering out the window....again, I showed I'd and rules, and I was allowed to continue....

I don't think I brought those issues up when they occured because I was allowed to continue....


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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Feb 13 09:42:15 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009.



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Feb 13 09:55:35 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Ken S. on Thu Feb 12 21:46:11 2009.

That or move it upstate.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 10:03:58 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 13 03:26:00 2009.


Never challenge a cop's authority until you're in the presence of a higher one. It's a sure fire way to getting yourself into hotter water.

Now, I suggest an immediate call to the ACLU and the retention of legal cousel.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 10:06:23 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 08:46:55 2009.


I've never had a problem with the police, and I've taken hundreds, maybe thousands of pictures on MTA, NJT and SEPTA property.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 10:08:42 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 13 08:07:34 2009.

Hey... He is waving his majyck wand over the country making all tings right again.

Have him wave his majyck wand here.

ROAR

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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 10:09:38 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 08:32:42 2009.


Lawsuits won't end the problem either. Some cops are assholes. Nothing can cure that, even proper knowledge of the law.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 13 10:11:31 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Feb 13 07:07:08 2009.

I agree. I wasn't in any way trying to defend them. But for some reason I don't think what you suggest will ever happen. So until then, you just have to use some common sense.

You need to remember that many of the newbies are young and immature. But the officer did the right thing by calling his supervisor when he thought that he may be wrong. It was the supervisor who acted innappropriately.

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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 10:16:49 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Mac5689 on Fri Feb 13 00:00:14 2009.

No. The other officer would never have come over from the other platform.

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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 10:20:00 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 00:07:19 2009.

Yes this is true, but you cannot change the mind of this officer at this time. You get his name and ID (number) from his name tag and badge number. Then you do your sorry I didn't know act. You get on the train and leave, and THEN YOU RIGHT THE SUCKER UP, and you POST HIS NAME AND ID, and you have your lawyers speak directly to his commanders.

THEN write him up for a violation of your civil rights, and sue the NYPD.

ROAR

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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 10:29:03 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 13 00:07:19 2009.

No you get 20 friends with cameras, and you go down there at the same time another day, and start taking pictures. When the cop comes out of his hole to hassle you, let three more photographers come out and start recording the issue. When the second cop comes over, five more photographers come out. If they speak to anyone, you clearly and obviously collect names and badges. They will call for help and a whole swarm of cops will come, and the next 10 photographers turn their cameras on them. The cops will have to escalate it to a major incident.

When the dust clears, It will be seen that they were all wrong. JUST MAKE DAMN SURE THAT NOBODY VIOLATES ANYTHING.

ROAR

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Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Feb 13 10:32:35 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 10:06:23 2009.

I would have to say that you have been extremely lucky.

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 13 10:39:11 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 13 08:13:11 2009.

TRVTH

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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 10:39:25 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R PansePCC on Fri Feb 13 10:32:35 2009.


And extremely careful. I never trespass, I rarely loiter and I use a small P&S digital which makes me look like nothing more than someone taking a photo of opportunity.

I did have an issue with cops once, at Point Pleasant Beach in NJ, as I waited for a northbound train to arrive from Bay Head at the southern grade crossing. But that was easily defused with politeness and it was created by me loitering, which I don't do anymore.

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Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Feb 13 10:44:01 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 10:39:25 2009.

I don't stay in one place too long anymore either. Unfortunately my camera is not easily hidden. I also don't trespass either. I carry letters and photo policies whenever I'm out railfanning now too.





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Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 10:48:40 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Feb 13 00:14:18 2009.


HAHAHAHAHA!

Cops? Thick skins?

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Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 10:56:28 2009, in response to Re:(Print out MTA Rule) I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by danny at 103rd street on Thu Feb 12 22:02:22 2009.


Won't do much to a determined asshole cop.



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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Forest Glen on Fri Feb 13 11:09:30 2009, in response to I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Feb 12 20:54:45 2009.

The cops were clearly wrong. However, I don't think it's worth the hassle just to prove a point. If a cop confronts you the best thing to do is to play dumb and apologize. When a cop saw me taking pics of the F train operating via 53rd I got away with it by pretending I was lost.

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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 13 11:09:31 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by R PansePCC on Fri Feb 13 10:44:01 2009.


I believe the best way to defuse a situation like this is to not acknowledge you know the cop is in the wrong. They then have no opportunity to get defensive. I'd rather act as if I "didn't know it was illegal" and that I'm just a rail buff wanting photos for my collection. I'd even throw in some technical foamer crap to make it appear I'm really a hobbyist. I'd keep the legal stuff out of it until/unless I was either arrested or asked to delete my photos.

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