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Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 29 03:04:08 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jul 28 17:34:50 2007. excellent post. |
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Re: The LL in the '80s |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 29 03:16:17 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by BEDT26 on Sat Jul 28 18:47:55 2007. I remember quite a few early mornings in the '80s when the LL operated on one track only from Union Square-8th Avenue myself when I was going to school. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 29 03:17:16 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Jul 28 09:27:29 2007. So you are not giving any credit to the folks that kept things going in a hopeless situation? Do you think it was easy for a local guy to keep a hardware store or food joint in business through the bad times? They did it anyway when it would have been easier to get out. Now they are being priced out with those businesses being replaced by another Starbucks or Barnes & Noble. The police, the 90s economy and the decline of crack were factors but the local community deserves its due. Like I said earlier I'm not too familiar with that particular community but these changes are happening citywide. |
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Re: Rents (forgot to include something in last post) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 29 03:25:51 2007, in response to Re: Downtown Brooklyn/Fort Greene Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jul 28 04:29:04 2007. I meant to say in that how some who work in New York live in Philadelphia because of how ridiculous the rents are in New York. |
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Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Jul 29 08:32:03 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 28 12:15:20 2007. I spend decades in Williamsburg and Bushwick, from the early `70's into the late `90's. So I bin around the block myself. |
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Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 10:24:04 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 00:54:21 2007. First off, I'm biracial too. And I grew up in Jamaica, Queens and now I live in Philadelphia. Your "ghetto pass" doesn't impress me.Don't come at me saying I don't "get it". I've "gotten" it a lot longer than you ever will. I know what racism is and isn't. And frankly, for the most part, it's time for our communities to shape up. How does killing a member of one's community solve anything? It doesn't. But then again, you're coming at me when I hail from the same community. Nice. You didn't read a single word of my posts either. I did recongize the racial elements involved. But I don't let that hold me down. |
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Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 10:31:12 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 10:24:04 2007. Excellent post, shiznit1987.Edwards! hasn't got a f*ckin clue about much, besides driving buses, so don't pay him any attention. Don't even waste your time responding to him intelligently. He has a long history here of not reading posts and then spouting a lot of b*llsh*t. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 10:51:06 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 29 03:17:16 2007. Ummm, shit was pretty bad. I mean, granted, there are always stores and such, but just becuase they were there doesn't mean they contributed.If they were so significant, they why did things get so bad in the first place? And it's not like the same people aren't killing each other now, there's simply less of those types around to kill. As far as the ever-so-used "Starbucks" boogieman, sure, they're there. But for the most part, most gentrified areas have plenty of small buisnesses. Look at Williamsburg or Astoria. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 12:24:40 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 10:24:04 2007. Okay..I'll give you that...Im not outright dissmissing your passion here...but I AM trying to understand you...Perhaps Im missing something,but it sounds as if you are bitter,man.. What the deal? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 12:26:30 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 10:31:12 2007. Stay out of this,dude.You don't have a CLUE about what going on here.It's over your head. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 12:34:19 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by ntrainride on Sun Jul 29 08:32:03 2007. So you KNOW EXACTLY what I'm talking about.Truthfully speaking,I'd take TODAY over yesterday.. Navy taught us to ADDAPT and OVERCOME any situation..[how could you addapt to "Beirut" in your backyard?] |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 12:37:12 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 12:26:30 2007. Oh, I KNOW what's going on. I made my point. |
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Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 29 12:48:56 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Jul 28 19:03:53 2007. "As for "the community", I don't see "the community" doing anything when another young black man is gunned down by another young black man, so I don't buy it."Depends on which "community" you are talking about, beacuse this i can tell you its NOT the entire community.. I have known of quite a few forums that happen in Yonkers.. About this Subject |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 13:02:48 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 12:24:40 2007. Bitter? No. More like fustrated....Down here in Philadelphia, 3 men were shot to death during a card game in a bar (and yes, they were black). Did anyone see anything? Of course not. Yet, a police officer shot a deranged young man threating his community and harming people, yet people are outraged. You need to remember something: Every Black man that shoots someone, every Black man that robs someone, every Black man that sells dope to a child, allows the racists in our society to say "Look, we were right all along!!!111!!!" I know it's bullshit, but King said it best: "We have to be better than them". I live on my own, I've held down jobs, I've never been arrested and I have no children. I do my best to live the message, and it pisses me off when people screw it up for the rest of us. As far as "White America" goes, yes, there are assholes. But there are allies too. My mom is white and she gave birth to me from a Black man. And when he couldn't be bothered with me, my italian family took me in. I know what it's like to have white folk stare you down. I know what it's like to be called n****r. But my family told me that I'm stronger than that. My church tells me I'm better than that. My ego tells me that their hate can't hold me down. I am better than them, and therefore I live the message. The days of Black/White are over. What we face is an economic struggle. We need to come together as a city and nation and demand the jobs/schools/transit/police/neighborhoods we deserve. All five boroughs are a family. You may not realize it, but you have a stake in what happens in the Upper East Side, just like they have to care about Bedford-Stuyvestant. When crime falls and schools improve, we all win. As far as gentrification goes, I don't want to see the hard working folks lose their homes. That's why we need to build middle-class housing projects. We should demand all housing construction allow for community residents earning their keep to have a shot at owning their home. And we really need to kick the slime out of NYCHA and give those apartments to the people who truly need them. End of story. Those rich kids pay lots of taxes, and believe it or not, many of them are nice people. Their tax money and their involvement improves the schools, brings greater demand for subway service, and pays for more NYPD. Things we all need. |
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Re: The LL in the '80s |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:04:16 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jul 28 17:58:05 2007. An attempt was made, but no results. She and her friend got away. |
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Re: The LL in the '80s |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:04:57 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 29 02:43:01 2007. The first one. |
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Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 29 13:15:52 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 13:02:48 2007. What you say has been talked about for a long time, the ones who talk it though are usually ignored in the MainStream.It makes too much sense.. Of coruse most times you wont hear about "posititve" happenings in the community.. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:19:27 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Jul 28 21:06:23 2007. The J was always a safe train to me since my father used it daily and I had ridden it safely on many occasions. The LL, OTOH was a whole different world (I once rode an M train from Fulton to Myrtle as a kid and felt as if I was in another dimension, despite using the same tracks and the same cars as the J did). |
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Re: The LL in the '80s |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 29 14:23:06 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jul 28 05:39:39 2007. The LL never went anywhere near East Flatbush. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 14:31:44 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:19:27 2007. It's all psychological. I can walk along Fulton street and Eastern Parkway through Brooklyn no problem, while Harlem gives me the creeps. It's all about experiences.I'm just saying, the JJ wasn't peaches and cream. Even today, when I look at the NYPD blotter map on gothamist.com, the J has been mentioned several times for crime-related incidents. I will say this thou, I feel for scenic purposes, the Broadway El is one of the best urabn els in the country for getting a NYC-style feel of the neighborhoods. The Astoria el would come after it. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 14:34:25 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 29 14:23:06 2007. Technically, a few blocks northwesterly of 105st and Canarise stations is referred to as "East Flatbush". Brookdale sits right on the border of where Brownsville turns into East Flatbush.But no, he's nowhere near the heart of the defined neighborhood. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 29 14:37:45 2007, in response to Re: Robert Moses/Donald Trump, posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 28 12:06:20 2007. I guess we should have listened to Moses then and built the Cross-Manhattan Expressway. An elevated highway would have been much cheaper than tunnelling all the way through, and there would have been the tax revenue from the skyscrapers he proposed to have built over the right of way. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 29 14:55:41 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by Michael549 on Sat Jul 28 02:42:03 2007. You really can't compare the large parks Moses was talking about, and a little vest pocket park squeezed between two buildings that Caro says he should have been building too. Moses was grand, like Trump is today. He just wasn't interested in vest pocket parks, although he did build plenty of playgrounds which are a little larger.If Harlem could have benefited from Vest pocket parks, why couldn't community leaders take little lots filled with junk and turn them into public gardens and maintain them if Moses wasn't doing it? It just wasn't fashionable back then and people didn't start doing it until the 1960s and 70s. Now if someone can show that there was an effort to build little green areas, gardens, and parks on vacant land in Harlem, and Moses put a stop to it, while doing nothing himself to add greenery, then you might have a case he was a racist when it came to parks too. |
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Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:20:05 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 13:02:48 2007. Ahhh..now we get tot he root of the problem.I feel you..and EVERYTHING your saying... I can IDENTIFIY with that in the most intimate of ways..and Can agree. Your furstration comes from a perceived helplessness..wishing you could do SOMETHING to stop the madness. I understand more than you know. My father was black..and my mother was American Indian mixed with Southern white decent.So for me..it was hard to deal with the kids who just loved to walk over to you and say "HOW"![Mom like to wear Something "NATIVE" in her dress ALL THE TIME..]..or [this one will get you]"You SURE that YOUR MOTHER.."?]because she "LOOKED white",while all of us look "black". My parents taught us well,I figure..since none of us ever were "locked up" for anything stuipid..always stayed out of trouble..and were "God Fearing folk". What I can say is this..even though you may feel powerless about certain things..you don't have to be completely. You can give voice to your concerns by joining a group,a neighborhood watch..a church..or perhaps the BOY CLUB..to mentor a child. I do it..my son does it..and so does my daughter. We all do what we can to help..and if you can reach that ONE CHILD..to set him or her on the RIGHT PATH[doesn't matter black or white] then you will have accomplished SOMETHING. Don't let the worlds Ill's case a dark shadow on your out look on life. There's hope for everyone. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:24:36 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jul 29 13:15:52 2007. Of course..but that not always the truth.The MEDIA wants to do the "right thing",but its driven by ratings..and GOOD NEWS from the HOOD is BAD RATINGS. So in most cases..anything GOOD will be shifted to a sidebar..and left there. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:30:04 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 14:31:44 2007. The JJ...?The JJ hasn't ran on Broadway since 1968! Oh..you must be confused..since the 16's were labled "JJ" with the orange bullit. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Jul 29 15:30:16 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 13:02:48 2007. IAWTP 100%Could not have said it better myself. |
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Re: The LL in the '80s |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:31:24 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:04:16 2007. Almost robbed...like I said.Fishbowl dude was WRONG. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 15:32:26 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:31:24 2007. He was not wrong. I would call that an attack, not a near mugging. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:32:45 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 12:37:12 2007. You never have a point.You just ramble on and on.. TALK TALK TALK...saying a whole lot of nuthin'. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 15:35:50 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:32:45 2007. Oh, I ALWAYS have a point. If you're one of the few that can't see the point, maybe you are stupid? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:38:55 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 15:35:50 2007. Why don't you add something to the TOPIC at hand,instead of doing what You usually do. Show me for ONCE that Im wrong about You. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:42:18 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 15:32:26 2007. Then You are sorely mistaken.But what I want to know is..why? Why are you speaking to Me anyway? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 15:46:16 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:38:55 2007. Show me for ONCE that Im wrong about You.Open your eyes and read all the posts and you'd not only find out that you are so unbelievably wrong, but that you can also learn stuff. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 15:47:22 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:42:18 2007. I am not mistaken. She was attacked. His comment was valid. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:49:15 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 15:46:16 2007. Okay..I'm gonna lay off you..and give you the benifit of the doubt. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 15:53:12 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:49:15 2007. Thank you. Please read all posts before passing judgment. And I don't see why you wouldn't give most people the benefit of the doubt. I have never lied here, and as such, there's no reason to withhold the benefit of the doubt from me. Certain others HAVE lied and/or been consistently wrong so I do no give them the benefit of the doubt. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 16:20:35 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 15:30:04 2007. Weren't all locals marked with a double letter? If the L was the LL, then wouldn't the J be the JJ? I mean, last time I checked, the J has always run local along Broadway. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 16:27:01 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 16:20:35 2007. The Broadway El's been the J since Jan of 1973.The JJ only lasted a YEAR[1967-68],And the J is a PART time EXPRESS along Broadway. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 17:40:17 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 14:31:44 2007. I'm still leery of the Livonia Ave. el. That area was SO bad in the 1980's ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 17:43:24 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 16:20:35 2007. The "J" was given to the old BMT route #15, and it was a rush hour express along Broadway, hence the single letter. The "JJ" designation was for the #14 Broadway locals. It only lasted until 1968, when the KK via 6th Ave was introduced. However, the R16's used on the J in the 1980's never had proper signage installed in them, so they sported the tomato/orange colored "JJ" signs until the bitter end. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 17:46:33 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 29 15:47:22 2007. She was NOT attacked. A knife was produced, a demand for jewelry was made, but she ran off and the guy didn't follow. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 18:20:35 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 17:40:17 2007. You mean the New Lots Ave 3 train? Trust me, the murder tolls might not be as atrocious, but that whole area is still a shithole. That's Charles Barrone's territory. Nuff said. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jul 29 18:47:25 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 29 14:55:41 2007. From a previous message:"Now if someone can show that there was an effort to build little green areas, gardens, and parks on vacant land in Harlem, and Moses put a stop to it, while doing nothing himself to add greenery, then you might have a case he was a racist when it came to parks too." ------ I will restate a portion of one of my previous messages: "Robert Moses who through his Parks Department built almost no swimming pools, parks and playgrounds in areas where poor and minority folk lived was sending a very clear public policy message... This is not about racism, as we commonly understand it today. One does not have to be racist in thought for one's deeds to have a discriminatory impact. Not only was he in charge of the Parks Department, but also in his lifetime he was in charge of or heavily influenced 12-16 different public agencies and authorities at the same time." "Some may think that a bus trip to a picnic that takes a bit of time ... is not an example of a kind of discrimination... Often these folks truly fail to understand that the nature of racism, prejudice and discrimination - it’s usually not in the major activities, but in the small almost comical mundane common everyday kinds of statements, activities, actions, rules and practices. This happens to such an extent that such a discriminatory affair becomes "normal"." I (Michael549) ever called Robert Moses racist, or a racist, or in any of my messages accused him of racism. What I said that he (and or the people under him) made a series of policy decisions that in demonstratable ways had a discriminatory impact. I agree that Robert Moses built plenty of playgrounds, but when the distribution of such playgrounds favor a "certain group of people" and at the same "disfavor another group of people" - then it is a fair question to ask "what is going on?" When one looks at the reasoning behind such policy decisions, and also at the implications of those policy decisions - one does have to wonder. For example in the quoted text Robert Moses questions the cost of smaller playgrounds, the need to tear down tenements, the relocation of tenants, etc. All of these are laudable questions. However coming from a man who routinely tore down buildings for his highways and other projects, paid extreme amounts for public improvements, gave residents little time to move or to find new homes -- it kind of rings hollow. One could suggest that this period, the 1930's it was early in his career, and that the concerns were real. Why would anyone want the Parks Department to build little parks when the private sector could so? In your suggestion that community leaders could take junk filled lots and turn them into parks - there is a missing point. The owner of said junk filled lots at any time could always take back their property and use it for any purpose that they want. Usually property owners can get a better return on their investment than in using it as a park where children play for free. The owner has to pay property taxes, and few see much of a return on their investment with parks. That is the major reason why there is little parkland available in the city, if the Parks Department does not build it. That also happens to be reason for why the Parks Department was created in the first place to give the city "lungs - breathing space" - because there were no places for children to play except the streets. Mike |
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Posted by BEDT26 on Sun Jul 29 19:01:15 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 29 03:16:17 2007. Kool,It's so good to remember those good old days. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 29 19:15:15 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jul 28 05:39:39 2007. Between 1968 and 1972 I sometimes rode the A late at night from Rockaway Blvd to Eastern Parkway, then changed there for the LL to Union Square.I always rode in the conductor's car. For whatever reason, the A made me more nervous than the LL. |
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Re: The LL in the '80s |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 29 19:35:48 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Jul 29 16:20:35 2007. The J was always single originally because it ran express on Broadway, as did the M for a while. That's why both were assigned single letters |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 29 19:40:03 2007, in response to Re: Robert Moses/Donald Trump, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 29 14:37:45 2007. It would have been a good addition to the road network. All that traffic now uses the local streets in Manhattan, an already congested Manhattan, both Canal St and 34th are a nightmare. Yes, it would have temporariy scarred the city when it was being done, and a lot of buildings would have been lost, but a lot of them were lost later anyway. And within a few years, if they did it perhaps in a cut, they could have built over the cut. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 29 19:42:14 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 17:46:33 2007. Why are you even going there with him? |
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Posted by Jan K. Lorenzen on Sun Jul 29 20:48:50 2007, in response to Re: The LL in the '80s, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 29 03:16:17 2007. Still does that in the robotrain era, all the way to Lorimer. Friday noontime was all bollixed up too. |
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