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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 18:03:21 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 25 15:26:46 2007. After the A/C. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 18:06:35 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 15:04:32 2007. You can't compare subway access to Yankee or Shea Stadium with access to Downtown Brooklyn. Subway travel times to Downtown Brooklyn from most parts of the City is much less than subway travel times to either Yankee or Shea Stadium. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Wed Jul 25 18:21:48 2007, in response to Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Jul 25 05:48:15 2007. Please spare me the Workers struggle bullshit. There's more than enough affordable neighborhoods around NYC. Also, for the most part, government workers and blue-collar are very well paid. Outside of agriculture and retail, there isn't much that pays a totally terrible amount.NYC doesn't need a 20% poverty rate. It could function just fine with a fourth of the low-income workers it has now. Democrats just like poverty becuase it secures them votes. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 18:55:23 2007, in response to Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 25 17:27:24 2007. No, a permanent underclass is a RESULT of specific socio-economic policies.Right, of people that are too lazy to work, and want everything handed to them, and then "blame the system" because of their "plight". |
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Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 18:58:06 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 17:27:35 2007. Yes, he didn't believe in Rehabs, but neither did most everyone else either. And thankfully, yes, now we have LEARNED from that, and we know better. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 18:59:45 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 17:24:34 2007. When you say south, I assume you mean west.Yes, I am thinking of the subway map....which is not true north. :) no garbage graffiti or broken benches, cut grass and no weeds, it isn't that bad, but I doubt that that is the case in many of the projects. Unfortunately, that was not the case. In some of these "projects", the grass was almost knee high. |
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Re: Downtown Brooklyn/Fort Greene Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 19:03:03 2007, in response to Re: Downtown Brooklyn/Fort Greene Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 17:31:45 2007. Took a long time? I think it's close to 35 years! But right after it was torn down? In the condition NYC was in in 1969? It was totally expected as far as I am concerned, the worst was still to come. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 19:04:29 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 17:37:38 2007. Bushwick didn't have any major decline in the middle to late 50's either. It all started around the late 50's, and early 60's, in the whole city, some areas sooner than others. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 19:06:41 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 17:41:22 2007. The Verazano, Whitestone, Triborough, and Throgs Neck were more practical as Bridges. The three tunnels probably were too, as that's why they were built of course. I don't know if the George Washington, as I know less about it, but I can't imagine what would be wrong with it over a tunnel. Bridges are expensive, but so are tunnels. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 19:11:23 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 17:50:05 2007. In the 1930's, the Southern and northern parkways were unimproved original parkways, (think the bethpage Parkway, and the Wantagh), they filled up pretty quick once cars became popular. Forget just sunny days, it wasn't long till commuters began using them too. So yes, they were improvement over the local roads, as without them, the local roads would have been even worse, but the local roads, together with the parkways, are not "that" bad.Yes, not nearly as much traffic as today, but then again, in the 1930's, there weren't as many traffic lights either. The South shore was just beginning to suburbanize back then, Much of Nassau was still farmland. Suburbanization didn't start in force till the 40's, 20 years after the parkways were already there. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jul 25 19:15:10 2007, in response to Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 25 15:06:06 2007. "Raising the wage will simply reduce the number of jobs available. "That has been proven false many times. The service economy's expansion over the past 30 years and its dominance over manufacturing and agriculture has not beern affected by increases in the minimum wage. The notion you present is sheer nonsense. "Minimum wage increases do nothing to address poverty since most of those earning it are not poor" False statement on both counts. A large proportion of people working minimum wage jobs are poor; still others are barely above the poverty line. Increasing their wages helps make a difference in their ability to eat. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 19:27:24 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 17:54:37 2007. Yes, and it's not just safety, although of course, that is great too...the parkways just offer a much more pleasant ride, both visually, and drive-wise, because of the absense of trucks and buses. There is no denying that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 19:28:44 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 18:02:45 2007. I think he was a wonderfully nice person. I "liked" the man.... However, Dinkins was perhaps one of the worst "do nothing" mayors the city has had in recent times. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 19:31:59 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 18:06:35 2007. I don't agree with that, but of course that would depend on the part of the city you are coming from, and to what stadium. However, yes, granted, just about every line goes through that area, so there are at least more direct lines, as well as LIRR access. Hoever, access to Shea is really not all that hard, nor is Yankee stadium, by subway or commuter rail (again depending on where from and which stadium, and of course, MN's new station isn't there yet. |
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Re: Downtown Brooklyn/Fort Greene Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic) |
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Posted by Jan K. Lorenzen on Wed Jul 25 20:32:42 2007, in response to Downtown Brooklyn/Fort Greene Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 14:11:42 2007. oooh, my old stompin' grounds.That Citgo in the last pic (actually its Myrtle and Classon) used to have this great old cast cement kid with the tire and candlestick advert from the 30's on its roof until about 5 years ago. Look west three more blocks and that is where the Lex Ave. El took its 90 degree turn down Grand. There's a photo in Pirrman's site of the Vanderbilt Ave stop on the Myrt showing the Emigrant bank building from the station platform. Myrtle and Waverly is where Adami Hardware was (now its another chain bank, Augusto bought the hdwr store and moved it across the street), before Adami it was a Bohack. Big changes. Now if Tish James can stop the mega-condos from taking over more than they have already... In the 80's, I'd worry about getting shot up in broad daylight, now I can't afford to live there. Now I live in wonderful Williamsburg! |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Jul 25 21:01:42 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 18:58:06 2007. Yes, he didn't believe in Rehabs, but neither did most everyone else either. And thankfully, yes, now we have LEARNED from that, and we know better.Some people have. Others still bash away at watered-down versions of schemes from the 60s. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 21:07:44 2007, in response to Re: Downtown Brooklyn/Fort Greene Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by Jan K. Lorenzen on Wed Jul 25 20:32:42 2007. You may have to soon move to Bushwick which is the next Williamsburg....because I hear now Williamsburg is beginning to show signs of the "I can't afford to live there...." |
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Re: Downtown Brooklyn/Fort Greene Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic) |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jul 25 21:14:53 2007, in response to Downtown Brooklyn/Fort Greene Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 14:11:42 2007. I can't believe how nice Myrtle Ave. looks now in that area! The last time I drove there was about 25 years ago. Of course, prior to 1969 we used to take the El to downtown Brooklyn - to shop at A&S, or go to the pool in the St. George Hotel. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 26 00:26:42 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by American Pig on Wed Jul 25 01:26:07 2007. Yep. That's why I said IMO. Thank you for reiterating that. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 26 00:34:25 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 12:08:56 2007. Again, a kid or a family, sitting on a bus on their way to a day at the beach out in the "country" ain't really contemplating and tabulating how much longer it takes to get there the way they were going than if they had jumped on a parkway somewhere. An extra half hour is, you think, evidence of a sinister plot?Sheesh. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 26 00:40:16 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by American Pig on Wed Jul 25 01:21:39 2007. "Moses had to allow trucks to access Jones Beach for deliveries and maintenance..."Da-yuh. Buses have NEVER been banned from the beach parking lots. Just along the parkways north of Merrick Road. And BTW, just HOW do you think those trucks GOT to Jones? By taking non-parkway routes to Merrick Road entrances. South of there, buses are permitted. What part of that concept are you having trouble with? |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu Jul 26 02:21:41 2007, in response to Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 25 17:27:24 2007. Actually, that's true, it's the result of having a capitalist system. If we had a true communist system, there would be no underclass: Everyone would live like shit. |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu Jul 26 02:25:28 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 17:54:37 2007. This is why trucks are banned from using the left lane of a road with 3 or more lanes. This is widely ignored on the BQE. |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu Jul 26 02:27:33 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 19:31:59 2007. Why would you disagree? Downtown Brooklyn is more central to the city, while Shea Stadium is peripheral. A person who doesn't live in Manhattan or near the 7 line would have a really long trip to Shea Stadium. |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu Jul 26 02:28:44 2007, in response to Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by shiznit1987 on Wed Jul 25 18:21:48 2007. Yes. New York is better off with fewer poor people. There currently is a glut of low-skilled workers here. |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu Jul 26 02:36:07 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 26 00:40:16 2007. Are you some fucking idiot? What part of my post did you not understand? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 26 02:48:09 2007, in response to Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 25 15:06:06 2007. Minimum wage jobs many of them ARE held by people with families andchilden all working hard and just trying to exhist 2 myths 1 '' Minimum wage jobs are usually held by young people, working mothers or senior citizens, all of whom have additional sources of income'' 2 ''Raising the wage will simply reduce the number of jobs available'' ......... both of this right wing crap is been proven wrong Governments cause poverty Government cause jobs to go overseas |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Jul 26 03:02:14 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 26 00:34:25 2007. From a previous message: 'Again, a kid or a family, sitting on a bus on their way to a day at the beach out in the "country" ain't really contemplating and tabulating how much longer it takes to get there the way they were going than if they had jumped on a parkway somewhere. An extra half hour is, you think, evidence of a sinister plot? Sheesh."My first response to this is along the lines of something like, "And being made to sit in the back of the bus should not really seem to be a hardship, now should it??" It is very simple when one knows that they are being treated differently as a matter of public policy, than other folks. That is the essence of discrimination. It not just a matter of not being able to sit in the good seats in the theaters, but relegated to the balcony. It is not just a matter of only being offered the worst, most crowded housing in the city. It is not just a matter of planning outings for the family or church where the smallest details seem to be a major hassle by the public authorities, remember few blacks owned cars then. It is not just a matter of being unable to work in stores along 125th Street (the southern boundary of the black community then) but one is free to shop there so long as you do not try on the clothes. Or attend the music clubs or other social aspects. It is the whole manner of slights, outright statements and actions, that let you know that you are not wanted, not valued, not treated with respect - and that there are few champions for what ails you. Life for Black and minority folk in New York City in the 1920's and 1930's was not some bed of roses - do not let the revisionists confuse you. Did you know that between the years 1900 to 1930, not a single new public school was built in Harlem? That only one WPA clinic in all of Harlem was built to serve 300,000 people? And there were other acts of public policy that had a disparate impact. Robert Moses who through his Parks Department built almost no swimming pools, parks and playgrounds in areas where poor and minority folk lived was sending a very clear public policy message. At the same time he is buying up woodland and natural areas in Staten Island, and Queens as parkland, places where few black folk could reach. This is not about racism, as we commonly understand it today. One does not have to be racist in thought for one's deeds to have a discriminatory impact. Not only was he in charge of the Parks Department, but also in his lifetime he was in charge of or heavily influenced 12-16 different public agencies and authorities at the same time. He promoted Randall's Island has the recreational park space neglecting to understand that at that time few blacks owned cars or the means to get there. (The pedestrian bridge was 20 years away, and there was no bus service to Randall's Island). Ever wonder why the super block public housing was built in East, Central, and West Harlem in such a way as to practically form a barrier from the rest of Manhattan? Harlem River Houses were the first to be built in Harlem in 1937, with additional housing and slum clearance projects to follow, which often resulted in the displacement of more families than would be housed in the projects that were built. This is not to say that the old law tenements, and tenements of other types were not in some cases bad housing. I bring this up to note the bad feeling many residents of Harlem toward some of these efforts and life in Harlem, spurring many to move to Brooklyn in the 1930's. "Take The A Train" was not just a famous piece of music, but along a note of the connection between Harlem and the new emerging black communities in Brooklyn. Did anyone ever bother to note Robert Moses record of employment for minority workers in the Parks Department, Housing Authority, the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority, and the other agencies he controlled and influenced? Let's just say it was not a "sterling record". Some may think that a bus trip to a picnic that takes a bit of time extra because only the local roads can be used (and not the parkway that most use) is not an example of a kind of discrimination, or why a fuss could be made about such a happening. Often these folks truly fail to understand that the nature of racism, prejudice and discrimination - it’s usually not in the major activities, but in the small almost comical mundane common everyday kinds of statements, activities, actions, rules and practices. This happens to such an extent that such a discriminatory affair becomes "normal". Since this set of messages started about baseball, it would be a good time to ask yourself about Black folks and baseball in New York City, especially before Jackie Robinson. It stands to reason that if everything was "so wonderful" on the racial - discrimination front, then why should black folk be upset about a little extra time on a bus to a state park on a crowded local road? Is it because "everything in so many ways is not so wonderful?" For example, why would anyone get upset if a black man were to play baseball for the Brooklyn Dodgers? Mike |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 03:02:18 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 14:45:22 2007. Thanks! I made some typos but oh well. This topic is very interesting and relevant because young people and newcomers may have a difficult time understanding why thing are the way they are in NY without knowing how these things actually happened. They see the jammed subway lines and the choked roads and hear old tales enriched with revisionist history. Like all revisionism there is always a grain of truth and Moses was no saint, but unlike his original partner in crime, the likable and canonized Fiorello LaGuardia, Bob Moses' dismissive and arrogant attitude towards the general public deprived him from posterity's gratitude and appreciation for his mostly postive life's work and probably single-handedly created today's irrational NIMBYs. Perhaps that was his true genius all along. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 03:36:48 2007, in response to Re: Robert Moses, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 25 07:47:09 2007. One of the many "crimes" attributed to the late-era Moses is the devastion brought by the construction of the Verrazzano Bridge. Kevin Walsh's great site www.forgotten-ny.com has a lot of pics and comments on that topic and I think he lived there as a child. This was a true tragedy for those residents but Moses' thinking was right on target. At a time of middle-class flight to the suburbs and a shrinking tax base it was only logical to funnel some of these would-be fugitives to a perfectly fine underdeveloped part of NY that was within city limits and with a suburban lifestyle to boot. Why lose the tax base to Nassau or New Jersey? Of course the lost oppurtunity for a rail link is no small matter but that wasn't anybody's priority at that time. More car lines were priority #1. As for Trumpland or whatever it's called, I must say that we have been reduced to this. An upscale development for the wealthy with a waterfront ribbon of green is the best we can do in this era of lowered expectations and political mediocrity and timidity. I don't resent Trump for trying to make a buck. He and his investors are taking the risks in a difficult city and they deserve the money. That's much better then unproductive vacant land. The problem is the lack of vision by our elected leaders. Moses would have made a greatly expanded park with ballfields and perhaps even stuck a swimming pool that would have been open to everybody. I was born in 1969 and the saddest part of all is that in my view, Bloomberg is the best mayor in my lifetime. It probably will not get any better then the elitist and somewhat out of touch Bloomberg in the near future. At least he tries and doesn't owe anybody any favors. That's how far we have fallen since Moses. A truly visionary leader would have at least used tax increment financing to finance bonds backed by future taxes from that and future developments along the 11th Av corridor that would not otherwise materialize without the rezoning and use it to pay for an (L) extension to the north. And Bloomy's transit friendly!! He is doing something similiar to pay for the (7) extension. No MTA or State and federal money. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 04:03:05 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 25 17:27:35 2007. I'm also very glad that we saw the light from those urban housing policies that had such negative and unforseen consequences. Nothing makes me happier then to see those rehabbed buildings in nabs that were considered long dead just a few years ago. However rehabs only work in neighborhoods that are considered to be on the upturn. In Moses' era cities in general were considered to be hopelessly obsolete and therefore intrinsically and irreversibly on the downturn. Those ugly and utilitarian housing projects were the only workable answer to that kind of thinking. Another thing to consider is that today's older suburbs are aging fast. A whole generation or two of Americans have been raised in those places (the children and grandchildren of white flight) and consider them lame, boring and sterile. Regenerated cities like NY that greatly reduced their crime rates have recaptured their magic and people want to live here again. It's a lot cooler and trendier for a young professional to say that they live in Brooklyn then to say that they live in some stale 'burb. The opposite was true in Moses' time. Our transit system is now suffering these otherwise happy consequences with no end in sight. That's why it's now so important to have a Moses of transit. Such a person should not be afraid to make mistakes since he/she inevitably will make some just like with Moses. I know people that sold their car BEFORE moving to NY and looked foward to riding the subway unaware that a car is still a critical need in many areas. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 04:07:38 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by American Pig on Thu Jul 26 02:27:33 2007. I guess we will all find out when the Brooklyn Nets tip-off. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 04:24:32 2007, in response to Re: Robert Moses, Brooklyn, The Bronx, etc., posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 25 07:33:18 2007. hehe. That Daily News with the caption "YANKEES ARE CHAMPS" featuring Reggie on the cover was the first ever newspaper I bought with my own money. I was in third grade and when I brought it into the classroom my classmates went crazy! We sort of recreated the Yankee Stadium field invasion. Even my teacher was smiling. The Bronx may have been burning but PS 111 in Long Island City was in heaven!:-D |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 04:26:39 2007, in response to Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 25 14:14:25 2007. Same here. I'm planning to go to Ellis Island for the first time ever in late August, early September when my nephew comes to visit. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 04:33:44 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by MATHA531 on Wed Jul 25 10:34:27 2007. might be contributing to the sense of global warming especially in the city?No, but A/C used to contribute to the hole in the ozone layer. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Jul 26 05:28:35 2007, in response to Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by shiznit1987 on Wed Jul 25 18:21:48 2007. Come on, you can't uninvent people. Well, you can. Some guy tried it in Germany from 1933-45.Please spare me the Workers struggle bullshit. Your words, not mine. Why do you seem to think that any policy other than that of Bob Moses and Bob McCarthy is Communist? NYC doesn't need a 20% poverty rate. The free market creates higher poverty rates than that. Restricting housing supply to massage statistics is an economic nonsense and morally reprehensible. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Jul 26 05:30:06 2007, in response to Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 26 02:48:09 2007. For once, Salaam, you are right. Those arguments only work if you take free trade beyond the point where it is in the national interest. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 26 07:12:35 2007, in response to Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 04:26:39 2007. Hahaha, I have bever been to Ellis ISland... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 26 07:26:29 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 04:03:05 2007. Nothing makes me happier then to see those rehabbed buildings in nabs that were considered long dead just a few years ago.Wow, I couldnt agree more...           (This photo above is from the net, all others are mine, I think a subchatter posted it once, but sorry, forgot who)  |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 26 07:29:32 2007, in response to Re: Robert Moses, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 03:36:48 2007. Another great post! For the record, the verazano Bridge was a necessary evil. To have all of Long Island's trafic have to go north, just to go back south again would have choked it, or worse....through Manhattan! The connection to Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau And Suffolk to Staten Island was a godsent, and completely necessary. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 26 07:31:55 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 03:02:18 2007. The real problem is you have to look at all aspects of the Moses era. it wasn't just him, it was everything going on at the time, and most everyone's attitiude back then. For people that grew up after the 70's or 80's, they just can't grasp that thinking that was the norm back then, because today (thankfully) we all know better, but that wasn't the case in the out with the old, in with the new decades. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 26 07:33:54 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 26 00:34:25 2007. Hell, it would take me over an hour to take the subway from my house with my friends to the Rockaway Beach back in the 80's....we loved it, as it fit in with the whole, day at the beach scenario. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 26 07:36:50 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by Michael549 on Thu Jul 26 03:02:14 2007. Life for Black and minority folk in New York City in the 1920's and 1930's was not some bed of roses - do not let the revisionists confuse you. Did you know that between the years 1900 to 1930, not a single new public school was built in Harlem?Of course it wasn't, but don't you understand that was NATIONAL, not just NY? That's what we needed the 60's for. That;s what we needed the laws of 1964 for. This is not Robert Moses, this was the era of the way SOCIETY thought back then. It's easy to say now, in the current time how things are now....but in the 20's and 30's they WEREN't like that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 26 07:39:04 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by American Pig on Thu Jul 26 02:25:28 2007. Of course, but it still is not the greatest drive or ride when all the trucks are barelling next to you. There is NO denying, the parkways are more pleasant drives without all that big stuff on it. And thankfully we have a nice mix of BOTH on Long Island. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 26 07:41:26 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 26 04:07:38 2007. I think it's a great idea to have the Nets Stadium built there. THat place is screaming "stadium" (I wasn't arguing that at all)...Unfortunately, basketball really isn't my thing, so I don't know if I will ever be there for a basketball game (perhaps a concert or stuff like that though).... I'm more into football and baseball. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 26 08:04:15 2007, in response to Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by Rail Blue on Thu Jul 26 05:30:06 2007. rail blue i am stnading up for the minimum wage paid working poormasses class which is way above the spoied brat who still lives with thier mommies and getting a big allowance and just wanted to earn some ''extra pocket change'' again my point is that there are full grown adults who are struggling every day to support families on yes [ minimum wage ] who deserve a pay raise at least and nafta / gatt was a disaster , free trade is jobs go overseas and down to mexico etc..china not north america ! i am right about a lot of things lol |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Thu Jul 26 08:42:31 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 26 07:39:04 2007. ...yeah but it's becoming more and more dangerous on the parkways with all the suv's....they should be banned from the parkways too and just automobiles allowed. Let the suv's use the expressways. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Thu Jul 26 08:51:51 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by MATHA531 on Thu Jul 26 08:42:31 2007. ..before I get slammed, I'm only kidding. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 26 09:33:13 2007, in response to Re: Gates Ave Re: Housing Projects Re: Jane Jacobs Re: Cross Manhattan expressway, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 26 07:26:29 2007. the last 2 photos on the bottomthis is what should be done to DETROIT |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 26 09:35:00 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by MATHA531 on Thu Jul 26 08:51:51 2007. Haha, well, seeing that this is my car...I wouldn't be too happy!!No seriously, until some years ago (Under 10 I believe), Pick-ups were not allowed on the parkways. That's because that was from way back when when they were considered commercial vehicles, and they had to be registered in New York State as commercial Vehicles, regardless if that is what they were used for. The ban on the parkways is not technically "trucks and buses", COMMERCIAL vehicles are banned from the parkways, regardless of their size. For example, vans are allowed on the parkways, if they have windows, are not registered commercially, and don't have writing on the side. That's why you won't really (legally) see things like "plumbers vans" and the like on the parkways. A few years ago, they had to rewrite the law for pickups, allowing them to be regsitered as passenger vehicles, as some are just technically on the same frames as SUV's (For example Dakotas are on the same frames as Durangos)....so now pickups are allowed on the parkways, so long as they are not registered commercially. |
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