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Re: 24 Copycat ??? (was: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!) |
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Posted by chuchubob on Wed Jan 26 16:35:17 2005, in response to Re: 24 Copycat ??? (was: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!), posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 26 14:49:14 2005. Since he wants to be executed, they're punishing him by refusing! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 26 16:53:26 2005, in response to Re: Suicide Attempt (LA train derailment), posted by chuchubob on Wed Jan 26 14:07:26 2005. He should be put on a suicide watch. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Jan 26 17:35:33 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Jan 26 14:57:30 2005. Yet, if the elephant were moving quickly enough, a head on blow with a tennis ball could be fatal. |
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Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 10 killed in MetroLink Crash! |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Jan 26 17:40:46 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 10 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Jan 26 15:24:33 2005. Yeh, lynch him at the trackside. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Jan 26 17:52:28 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by JR on Wed Jan 26 12:58:28 2005. This is why at-grade crossings should be removed or consolidated on commuter tracks.Yes, it would be HUGELY expensive, and it can't be done in some locations due to the grade of the tracks. However, it would also help remove some of the lower speed limits in those sections which would decrease the commuting time. Easy. Pass a law allowing the railroad to tear up grade crossings at its own expense and for highway authorities to build replacement bridges at their own expense (if they need to be replaced at all). That way, the railroad doesn't get lumbered with the cost. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Jan 26 17:55:40 2005, in response to Re: Suicide Attempt (LA train derailment), posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 26 16:53:26 2005. Why? If he does that, it solves the state's problems. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 26 17:56:33 2005, in response to Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by R33 9139 on Wed Jan 26 10:16:16 2005. So.....someone please explain to me the chain of events.It looks like the car that hit the UP loco fishtailed towards the loco. If you look closely. It looks like the right side hit the loco first, b/c the left side has the frame bent outward, kind of like when you open a can. So I'm assuming that that train was traveling diesel end first. Am I wrong? Also, how the hell did that 1 car end up all the way off to the side? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 26 17:57:37 2005, in response to Re: Suicide Attempt (LA train derailment), posted by Rail Blue on Wed Jan 26 17:55:40 2005. If he does that someone who say he was "assisted". |
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Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 26 18:20:08 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 26 17:56:33 2005.  Also, how the hell did that 1 car end up all the way off to the side? My guesses are 1) Idiot parks car, runs away. 2) Train hits car 3) Train picks switch, rear end of lead car clobers the UP locomotive 4) 2nd Psgr Train hits remnants of 1st Psgr Train. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Wed Jan 26 18:45:37 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Jan 26 17:52:28 2005. How are the highway authorities going to get the money to build replacement bridges?Not to mention plenty of locations where road bridges would not work. The fact is that some grade crossings will always be around. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Jan 26 18:48:23 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by LA Scott on Wed Jan 26 18:45:37 2005. How are the highway authorities going to get the money to build replacement bridges?That's their problem if they want the road to cross the railroad. Not to mention plenty of locations where road bridges would not work. Tough. Unless it's a cul-de-sac, there should be no recompense. The fact is that some grade crossings will always be around. But railroads need real teeth to minimise their number. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed Jan 26 18:49:13 2005, in response to Re: Suicide Attempt (LA train derailment), posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 26 17:57:37 2005. If he does that someone who say he was "assisted".Then maybe the CIA would like to assist them. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jan 26 18:57:45 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 26 11:38:12 2005. ["I'd suggest that the national media covers every auto accident in which there are multiple fatalities, hundreds of injuries, and tens of millions of dollars worth of public property destroyed.Can someone name an auto accident with these specifics which wasn't covered?"] How 'bout this one?:
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 26 19:08:38 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Jan 26 18:48:23 2005. "How are the highway authorities going to get the money to build replacement bridges?"That's their problem if they want the road to cross the railroad. Why do railroads deserve an inherent priority over roads under all circumstances? I agree railroads have been screwed at times, but that doesn't justify the opposite extreme. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 26 20:07:54 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 26 19:08:38 2005. Why do railroads deserve an inherent priority over roads under all circumstances? 1) They *own* the ROW (and PAY taxes on it!) 2) They were there first. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed Jan 26 20:17:45 2005, in response to Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by R33 9139 on Wed Jan 26 10:16:16 2005. Where's Salaam when you need him? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 26 21:10:35 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Jan 26 20:17:45 2005. Hopefully he wasn't 1 of the 10 killed.No joke. |
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Re: 24 Copycat ??? (was: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!) |
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Posted by MJF on Wed Jan 26 21:11:13 2005, in response to Re: 24 Copycat ??? (was: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!), posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 26 14:49:14 2005. It seems strange that if the man wants to be executed the court believes he must be crazy and will not put the needle in his arm, but, if the man fought to have the death penalty overturned the death penalty would be carried out.I realize this is OT |
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Posted by M&GC on Wed Jan 26 21:13:06 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 26 10:35:14 2005. Well said ! |
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Posted by Steve Hoskins on Wed Jan 26 21:53:08 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 26 18:20:08 2005. Brother Elias, that is exactly what happened.The northbound train was just in the wrong time at the wrong moment, it was hit at the rear end of its 1st car, front of second car, by the jackknifing cab car that plowed into the UP engine. And the last car of the train, cab car 623, was completely knocked over and wound up where it did by the last moments of the jackknifing cab car 625 on the head end of the southbound. |
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Posted by Steve Hoskins on Wed Jan 26 21:54:35 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 26 21:10:35 2005. I hope not...but from what I understand, Salaam uses the Gold Line to get from Pasadena to LA. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Jan 26 22:41:38 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Steve Hoskins on Wed Jan 26 21:53:08 2005. The animation I saw on TV showed trailer 133 coming in contact with cab car 623 (on the northbound train), knocking it over. Damage to the forward end of trailer 133 is consistent with this kind of a hit.This would be secondary impact to cab car 625 hitting the loco. wayne |
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Posted by Flxiblemetro on Wed Jan 26 23:40:55 2005, in response to Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by R33 9139 on Wed Jan 26 10:16:16 2005. Here is another story about that tragedy.I feel sad for those Metrolink passengers killed... 
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Posted by chuchubob on Thu Jan 27 06:49:57 2005, in response to Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by R33 9139 on Wed Jan 26 10:16:16 2005. Because Mr. Alvarez's truck was wedged between the rails and not sitting at a grade crossing, it became an "immovable object," Mr. Solow said, vaulting the front car of the train into the air and causing the cars behind it to twist on their couplings and fold in on one another like an accordion...Mr. Solow said that Metrolink and most other passenger trains are designed to withstand a collision with a light vehicle stopped at a grade crossing. The cab car in the front of the southbound train had a reinforced frame designed to deflect or destroy vehicles parked at level grade crossings. Normally at a grade crossing the car is smashed to smithereens and the train stays on the track," Mr. Solow said. "But this car was wedged between the tracks, and the only way for the cab car to go was up." from Thursday's NY Times |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Jan 27 06:59:20 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 26 19:08:38 2005. It would be a sustainable environmental policy. |
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Posted by S33 Hauppage on Thu Jan 27 08:13:50 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by chuchubob on Thu Jan 27 06:49:57 2005. Sad indeed. If there is any good news, it is that if indicted as charged, this ****er is eligible for the needle. |
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Posted by S33 Hauppage on Thu Jan 27 08:20:40 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by chuchubob on Thu Jan 27 06:49:57 2005. Problem is, you can only have an engine on one end, unless you have a train long enough for a pull-pull. What does the California BLET suggest, a loop that always ensures that the engine pulls the train, with only trailer cars? |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Jan 27 10:05:37 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Jan 26 10:46:35 2005. Following up on Wayne's comments..... I too grew up on LI. And, something doesn't add up here.Indeed there were many such collisions between trains and cars on grade crossings. For both diesel and MU equipment the damage to the trains have been astoundingly minimal. Really just a few scratches. So, what the hell happened in LA. I never heard of a motor vheicle on tracks derailing a train. Usually, the train wins big time! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 27 10:09:43 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Jan 27 10:05:37 2005. The vehicle was wedged between the rails. When the train hit it, it was like hitting a bumper. As a result, lead truck of the cab car climbed up the vehicle and went sideways. Rest of train followed, bounced off a parked UP locomotive and into the path of the inbound. This would have been a 4000-1 payoff in Vegas. :( |
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Posted by chuchubob on Thu Jan 27 10:27:57 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 27 10:09:43 2005. link to informative Times article here |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 27 10:36:37 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by chuchubob on Thu Jan 27 10:27:57 2005. Yes, checked it earlier ... I caught more details from KABC7 and KTLA-11. One of the advantages of satellite over cable - no need to see or hear it second hand. It was all over TV in LA the whole morning yesterday ... Times flubbed a few details, but largely got it right so I'll cut them some slack. The ODDS though were astounding for so many things to come together at once to have done this. :( |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 27 10:44:38 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Jan 27 10:05:37 2005. I never heard of a motor vheicle on tracks derailing a train. Usually, the train wins big time! Well, look at it this way. The car is jammed into the tracks somehow, so that it cannot move. Now the train arrives at (say) 50 mph. Normally it would shove the car several hundreds of feet, but this time the car did not move. The truck carring the railcar stopped when it hit the immovable object, the train carbody, still moving at 50 mph departs from the truck and flies over the obstruction as an airborn missile. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 27 11:05:39 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 27 10:44:38 2005. I guess the part I'm finding unbelievable was that the Jeep Cherokee could have been "wedged" in there so well as to make this whole scenario possible. The Jeep's tires probably had to have been sitting between the ties (and not on top of them) and the width of the Jeep at the tires must have been just less than the inside width of the rails. And then when the cab car hit it, the Jeep would have to have been instantly forced "tighter" into its "cage" to cause the cab car to have nowhere to go but up and over the vehicle. Amazing. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jan 27 11:15:02 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 27 11:05:39 2005. Somehow I don't think anymore it was just a matter someone chickening out trying to commit suicide. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Thu Jan 27 13:24:22 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jan 27 11:15:02 2005. Somehow I don't think anymore |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 27 13:45:52 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by chuchubob on Thu Jan 27 13:24:22 2005. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20050127/ts_nm/crash_train_dc"He certainly intended to commit the act of train derailment. And under California law, committing that act alone, whether one intended to kill anyone on the train or not, can lead to murder charges," Cooley said. Not necessarily! If he only wanted to kill himself, then it is entirely possible that he just wanted the train to whack his Jeep (killing him) and then go on its merry way. And at a normal grade crossing, that is what would have happened. |
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Posted by Steve Hoskins on Thu Jan 27 16:10:18 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by chuchubob on Thu Jan 27 06:49:57 2005. Those Bombardier cab cars haven't got shit for "deflecting or destroying" vehicles at grade crossing accidents. That's why yesterday's accident, and two others, resulted in cab cars leaving the rails after encountering something at a grade crossing, whatever they hit went under the car, lifted it enough to derail. (Metrolink also had two major crossing accidents involving large trucks with huge loads on trailers....both were engine-first trains. Neither derailed, even though the locomotive carbodies sustained moderate to heavy damage. And nobody was killed in either incident.Basically, all that's there is a piece of metal to hold Metrolink's lousy horns in place. The big Airchime K5LA's on the cab car roofs are just hood ornaments -- the real, working horn is a nasty sounding Nathan P-series two-chime mounted in the piece of metal they call a pilot. Most of them sound like a strangled goose. The last orderof cab cars came without the roof horns and have a screeching Leslie horn under there. |
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Posted by S33 Hauppage on Thu Jan 27 16:15:36 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Steve Hoskins on Thu Jan 27 16:10:18 2005. Case in point: the grade crossing accident in Westchester County a few months ago. The head two M1 cars were destroyed, but both stayed on the tracks. WHY? "Cowcatcher" devices on the undercarriage, in front of the wheels. I am not sure if the Shoreliner or C3 coaches have that though. |
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Posted by Steve Hoskins on Thu Jan 27 16:20:18 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jan 27 10:44:38 2005. Actually, those Bombardier cab cars are somewhat light (108,000 pounds) and there isn't much of a "pilot" to deflect stuff in its way.As a result, whatever they hit, if it is sizeable, gets wedged under the front end, lifting it enough so the flanges become ineffective....and then we know what happens there. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Thu Jan 27 17:08:08 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 27 13:45:52 2005. What do you mean by "Normal grade crossing?"This was a normal grade crossing, but he then left the grade crossing and drove his SUV up the tracks until it got stuck. Sounds pretty intentional to me. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 27 17:18:36 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by LA Scott on Thu Jan 27 17:08:08 2005. That's what I meant. If he was on the grade crossing, this wouldn't have happened. It is possible he didn't know (heck, I didn't know) that placing his vehicle there would make the train derail. One reason I can think of for why he parked on the tracks was to get out of the way of automobile traffic, and to prevent someone else driving right by from pulling him out of his Jeep. |
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Re: 24 Copycat ??? (was: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!) |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 27 17:33:41 2005, in response to Re: 24 Copycat ??? (was: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Jan 26 14:57:10 2005. Given how the FACTS have turned out once again another case of subtalkers jumping to conclusions. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jan 27 18:23:02 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by LA Scott on Thu Jan 27 17:08:08 2005. "Sounds pretty intentional to me"I agree |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 27 18:43:36 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by S33 Hauppage on Thu Jan 27 16:15:36 2005. All cab cars I have ever seen have the "cowcatcher" bars in front of the lead truck. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 27 18:52:54 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by S33 Hauppage on Thu Jan 27 08:20:40 2005. Yeah, and after a rear-end accident they'll demand engines on both ends. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Jan 27 18:56:03 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 27 18:52:54 2005. I have an idea. Weigh down the bottom of the cab car with cargo (provided by some supplier with heavy enough cargo). That would prevent some derailments. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 27 21:38:25 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Jan 27 18:56:03 2005. There are so few cab car derailments to begin with that what you suggest is a waste of time. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jan 27 23:01:15 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Jan 26 22:41:38 2005. They had an animation on TV? What station. They might have it on their site. I'd like to see it. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jan 27 23:06:33 2005, in response to Re: Breaking NEWS! AT least 11 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by Steve Hoskins on Thu Jan 27 16:10:18 2005. That's right. Just look at the body design of the cars. The slant makes it look as if it were meant to push an object beneath the railcar, which would then it turn lift the rail car. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jan 27 23:07:40 2005, in response to Breaking NEWS! AT least 3 killed in MetroLink Crash!, posted by R33 9139 on Wed Jan 26 10:16:16 2005. I don't know if someone posted this. If anyone did, I appologize.I highly doubt the answer is yes, but by any chance, did the engineer of either train survive the crash? |
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