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Posted by The Queen on Tue Jul 25 17:50:10 2006, in response to Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:47:44 2006. That is some photo, I remember some of that when I was a kid. Do the lights even work on the inside ? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:52:54 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by The Queen on Tue Jul 25 17:50:10 2006. Probably not. R42's seemed to have big time lighting issues and many pre-GOH trainsets had at least one like this. |
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Posted by ALP44 on Tue Jul 25 17:59:42 2006, in response to Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:47:44 2006. Wow. The old K train. Remember more of these basket cases on the D line. Brings back so many memories(for those who know what I used to do). Just this morning as I got in from work, my "Dreams Don't Die" dvd came in the mail and I had a kick watching the R27/30's, R16's, and the R17's in some scenes and even a pre-GOH Slant 40. The real 1980's and I haven't seen this movie since I was 8 years old(I'm 29 now).Until then..... ALP 44 |
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Posted by Goumba Tony on Tue Jul 25 18:00:59 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by The Queen on Tue Jul 25 17:50:10 2006. Nope, it looks like they're out. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 18:03:17 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by ALP44 on Tue Jul 25 17:59:42 2006. Yup, these cars did infest the orange D in 1986/7, just as the yellow D was receiving the first R68's. If you were a Bronx D rider, you couldn't help but feel shafted. At least they cleaned them up in late 1987 and they began phasing them out in 1988 as the R68A's began arriving. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jul 25 18:09:09 2006, in response to Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:47:44 2006. I remember riding those dark jacked up trains as well...Brings back the memories of my teenage years.. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 18:24:22 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Railman718 on Tue Jul 25 18:09:09 2006. Same here. I recall the surreal experience of riding these dark trains on the D line as it rocketed up the CPW express, tunnel lighting passing so quick it created an almost hypnotizing effect. This train may look horrible, but it sure could move fast! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:37:26 2006, in response to Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:47:44 2006. Sniff, sniff, man the memories that train brings back! That SO brings me right back to my childhood. It would have been a clean train that turned heads back then, certainly not one of these, as this is what all the stations and trains looked like.It would have been strange to NOT see a train that looked like that in the early 80's. I always have to laugh when I hear people complain, or see threads about how "bad" a train or station looks today. They have no idea. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:41:44 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by The Queen on Tue Jul 25 17:50:10 2006. I remember the els off quite often on the R42's that ran on the M (they mixed a few in on the M, which had every 60 foot car available (except the R10s) on it.I remember sometimes being on trains that were completely dark, and you didn't even know you were in a station until the doors opened, because all the graffiti on all the windows blocked out all the light from when the train left the tunnel and into the station. And announcements? Hahahaha, you were on your own. And on the elevated stations (and even the tiled stations sometimes), you didn't even know what station you were at because all the walls and signs were graffitied over often times. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:44:42 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 18:24:22 2006. I feel pretty old now that I am talking about the 70's and 80's as the "good ole days".What's scary is that I am older now than when my father had me! Sick I tell you, sick! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 18:46:51 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:37:26 2006. And this pic doesn't capture the smells, or the genuine fear you'd be killed at any time by gangs of muggers. There's good reasons why this city went nuts when Goetz fired out some straphanger justice in 1984. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 18:50:38 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:41:44 2006. Outside rush hour, people tended to avoid these cars (as people do today with hot cars in the summer), but the R42's were so bad with interior lighting that a consist made up of nothing BUT dark cars was not that unusual. The K/B suffered the most because it was mostly R42's assigned to the line, wheras other lines may have only had a small number of them assigned. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 25 18:52:08 2006, in response to Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:47:44 2006. Thanks, Chris, that brings back some great memories. For me, it includes a Penn Central ride down from Brewster, in the smoking car where someone was always burning some weed (sometimes it was us!). Once in the city, we'd board some crappy train like in the pic you posted. Oy, we was crazy, riding the uptown D to the Bronx after getting out of the bars.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:52:36 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 18:46:51 2006. Absolutely. The atmosphere in the air on the subway was one of genuine fear, that you may or may not "make it" to your destination with out some sort of problem.Oh, and the stench!!! Look at the floor in that train...yes, the trains smelled of filth....the stations smelled of filth... The current smell at the Canal St bridge platform on the Broadway line was the smell of a CLEAN and good station. That station would have been a breath of fresh air back then. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:55:38 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 18:50:38 2006. YEah, on the M and L we got one every so often, but it was not the mainstay by any means. I would say we had the R27-30's most, R16's next (although depending on the year this whole list could shuffle a bit), then R40 slants, after that R42's thrown in, and finally R32's. Every so often an R38 would show up, but they were the least.I had no idea what an R40M was back then, so can't comment, but I assume I thought they were R42's with a different door. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:57:52 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 25 18:52:08 2006. in the smoking car where someone was always burning some weed (sometimes it was us!).That also sounds like the "dark" cars on the L line..... |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 25 19:06:30 2006, in response to Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:47:44 2006. wow |
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Posted by tydev417 on Tue Jul 25 19:11:48 2006, in response to Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:47:44 2006. To see this picture and to realize that the train is in revenue service no less, not too long after the incident where they put an entire R142 train out of service because of a cracked window and messed up train service to investigate the scene really shows how far the subways have come. I myself have not been around to experience what would be nothing but surreal thoughts now. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 25 19:12:07 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:37:26 2006. Imagine how the folks who had to spend 8-9 hours a day in them felt. And the subways hadn't completed their flush down the toilet when I left the system. :( |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 19:13:56 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by tydev417 on Tue Jul 25 19:11:48 2006. ANd don't forget that was a NORMAL, TYPICAL train abck then. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:21:24 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 25 19:06:30 2006. Not remarkable at all circa 1985. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Tue Jul 25 19:23:07 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by tydev417 on Tue Jul 25 19:11:48 2006. I'm surprised that car even had its windows! Back then they'd just take individual cars out of service if it had broken-out windows. Granted, it sometimes meant a train might only have 2 usable cars, but what did you expect for your $0.75? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:23:52 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 19:13:56 2006. Just about every train on the old RR looked like this, but with R30/32/40's mixed in. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:26:38 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:55:38 2006. Bash the R16's all you want, but they almost always had some working lights in every car. |
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Posted by Clayton on Tue Jul 25 19:30:57 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 25 18:52:08 2006. Nice!! |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 25 19:31:33 2006, in response to Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:47:44 2006. and the sad thing is, some hopelessly uninformed people think the subway still looks like this. i blame movies' grossly inaccurate representations of the subway. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:34:09 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Tue Jul 25 19:23:07 2006. I think it's important we educate our younger foamers into just how bad it was by 1982/3. Words alone are not capable of adequatlety conveying the awfulness of this era. I remember one of our teenage railfans posting on here about how he couldn't imagine the horrors CPW riders faced with ONLY one day-long route on the local. Waiting 10 minutes for the next train and having it show up was considered quality service. It is ironic that it was in this era I developed my love for the subway. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:37:56 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 25 19:31:33 2006. Hollywood did perpetuate the myth that the system was still like this well into the 1990's. IIRC, the MTA began demanding appropriate representation of actual subway conditions as a prerequisite for being allowed to film in the system. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 19:40:10 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by tydev417 on Tue Jul 25 19:11:48 2006. Huh? If you're talking about my post with the photo of a 2 train with a cracked window, the train was taken out of service and kept in the station because of a suspected 12-9. If somebody's under the train, you don't want to move it. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 19:41:15 2006, in response to Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:47:44 2006. Wow, you B Divison guys had it easy. I grew up on the IRT. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 25 19:51:05 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 25 18:52:08 2006. pics, man, PICS! |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Jul 25 19:55:54 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Tue Jul 25 19:23:07 2006. I expected to live forever! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:59:50 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 19:41:15 2006. The A division wasn't as bad. It's cars occasionally had paintjobs inside and out. Dark cars were less frequent there. But the B division at least had some modern cars, like the R44/46. Nothing comparable on the IRT until the R62's showed up. You grew up on the West Side. The East Side IRT was better. Cars assigned to the #6 line got painted almost every month. Grafitti was mostly conquered on the Flushing line before just about every other line except the E/F. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 20:12:33 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:59:50 2006. The IRT was terrible (as you say, I'm a West Sider). True, we didn't have dark cars. But I have no idea what the walls were supposed to look like, since I never saw the walls in their intended paint schemes. Graffiti on the 1 was much worse than on that K train. And we didn't have any air conditioning at all. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 20:18:04 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 20:12:33 2006. You're right, the IRT was generally rated the worst division before the R62's showed up, but there was a notable disparity between the cars on the East Side and West Side. The UWS was not the ritzy, desirable location it is today. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 20:40:46 2006, in response to Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:47:44 2006. Heh, pictures on nycsubway.org never seem to capture this level of neglect, except for pictures of R16's, which look like a strong breeze might have made them cave in at the end. I asked my mother to look at these (i was born in 85, so I don't remember this), and she said she remembers subway service like this. Even one scary incident on a dark car where a crazy man ran around looking up women's dresses (during rush hour). When she told my father, he was mad she had boarded a dark car, heh.Grafitti isn't really such a big deal in my mind. What is a big deal is dark cars, which is a real safety issue. And to think, some people say the the R142 is "too bright". Hahaha. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 20:44:13 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 20:40:46 2006. What are you talking about? The only real safety issue is crossing between cars. Just ask Ron! |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 25 20:54:03 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 25 19:51:05 2006. I wish :( I was not a shutterbug at the time, although I did own a 68 vintage Kodak Instamatic.your pal, Flashcube |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 20:55:42 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 20:12:33 2006. Don't be fooled, those R42's weren't air conditioned either. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 20:59:03 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 25 19:51:05 2006. You know what the sad thing is....since we were SO used to the subway looking like that in the 80's, we took photos of the stuff that was "nice". For example, since all the new trains will look like the dirty filthy graffitied trains in a week or two (that was the mentality back then, no one believed they could clean the system up), let me instead take a photo of that fresh new clean R42 now that it's all clean and rebuilt. There was no subtalk, so no one knew they old stuff was going.Same with the stations....why would I take a photo of these filthy gross graffitied, haven't been officially painted in 25 years stations when I can take a photo of the clean freshly painted ones....again, no one imagined they could combat graffiti at the stations...especially the elevated stations. It was a different era, and everyone's mentalities were much more pessimistic. That's why there's such an absense of photos from that era. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:00:40 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 20:18:04 2006. Most of it isn't ritzy now either.Desireable, sure. It offers a style of living that isn't available in many other places. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 25 21:01:41 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by The Queen on Tue Jul 25 17:50:10 2006. Assuming it was a 4 car train, likely the convertor (motor generator on the other 60' cars) was dead on that married pair. Should it be dead on the other pair, then you have a dead train. That brings me to an incident I had when I was rookie. I was going north on a 4 car AA train composed of R32's. They held me north of 59 because they bought a D in ahead of me on the local track for some reason. Upon getting the signal, my train did not move. I reported it to Command Center. After doing a few standard things from the cab, I peeked out the cab door. All storm doors were hooked open due to the hot weather. I saw the last car was off the rail, dark due to a third rail gap. I went to investigate. My second car, an even car had a dead motor generator because it was silent, and the car off the rail was my only other motor generator, useless to me at the moment. So a motor instructor walked toward me and verified my findings. We told all passengers to remain seated as our follower added up to us. We took the 8 car train the rest of the way. It's next s/b trip was as a B, so the add was already made. It happened that I operated that train to CI. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:03:56 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 20:55:42 2006. You had some air conditioned cars. We had none. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 25 21:04:46 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:26:38 2006. That was one of the few things that worked, although at times I used to have to manually change the lighting polarity at times when the lighting became too blue. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 25 21:09:25 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:44:42 2006. The good old days to me were the late 60s. Trains were still clean, the fare was 20 cents and the R-1/9s were still out in full force. And, of course, the R-10s ruled the A.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 25 21:10:36 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 25 19:12:07 2006. That came about ten years later.:( |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 25 21:14:15 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 20:12:33 2006. Watch the original Pelham 1-2-3 or The French Connection and you'll get an idea of what the interiors were supposed to look like. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:14:58 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:34:09 2006. It is ironic that it was in this era I developed my love for the subway....as did I. I don't know what it was back then, but the subway still had a lot of appeal. Yes, it was COMPLETELY trashed, just about every inch of it (except for the 49th ST, haha), but there was SO much of the golden era of the subway still there, even if in a diamond in the rough. Don't get me wrong, the subway today is amazing, and it's so clean and well kept considering what it once was, however, alot of the old stuff was lost over the last decade or two. Sure, we have restored mosaics, and they are better than ever at retiling, but I'm just talking about old infastructure still in place....for example, stairways, overpasses, the Broadway station intact above Myrtle....the old wooden overpass at Myrtle-Bway...stuff like that all over the system. Abandoned mezzanines on elevated stations, original lighting, all the old trains (even if trashed) I can go on and on. A lot of that was lost in "clean up". (which is good, but you do lose "something" in the process that was still present in the 70's and 80's. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:18:29 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 25 19:31:33 2006. That is true to an extent. Way into the 90's Hollywood was still portraying the NYC subway in that light.....however, over the last few years ago, I think that stigma has lightened quite a bit. They don't do it as much as they used to. The subway is portrayed much better now in more recent movies in general.You have to remember that graffiti wasn't eradicated officially until around 1992 or so. It took the rest of the 90's decade to shake that stigma. They have done it though for the most part by 2000's movies and TV (in general). |
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