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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 25 13:53:38 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Feb 25 13:39:04 2021. As long as they build a golf course |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 26 11:22:44 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 25 13:53:38 2021. I think the future plans include converting one of the longer cellblocks into an indoor driving range, too! |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 26 21:37:08 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Feb 24 09:01:16 2021. The families that I do see are usually the ones visiting. Local families, yeah right. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 26 21:38:40 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Feb 25 10:27:19 2021. Let's be honest, how many people really need to transfer between SAS and the Lex, or between SAS and Metro North. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 26 21:43:03 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:32:47 2021. Just curious, why would demolition be needed to extend from S4th? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Feb 27 00:47:12 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 26 21:38:40 2021. I mean transfer to an LGA train. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Feb 27 00:54:06 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 25 13:53:38 2021. There can be a ferry to the formerly Trump-operated golf course at the appropriately named Ferry Point Park. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 27 02:18:05 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 26 21:43:03 2021. Because the street that the station is under, S 4 St stops at Union Av and does not go east of that point. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Feb 27 11:16:51 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Express Rider on Tue Feb 23 22:25:15 2021. I'd guess that 20% - 40% of people currently working from home will continue to do it full time. Another 20 - 40% of people currently working from home will be working a hybrid schedule of some days WFH and some days in the office and the remaining 20 - 40% of the population will return to the office full time. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 27 11:53:13 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by TonyG on Sat Feb 27 11:16:51 2021. Yeah, it'll vary.In the year before the pandemic I came to the office 2-3 days per week. In the year after the pandemic, most likely 1-2 days per week - not sure yet how it will pan out. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 27 15:36:21 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 26 21:38:40 2021. My thoughts are to build the 125th St crosstown extension to 135th St/Convent Ave (City College), with stops at Lex-Park and St Nick. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 27 15:45:05 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 27 15:36:21 2021. I like the idea of extending the line east to Rikers Island. We could even include a stop a North Brothers Island to visit the grave of Typhoid Mary. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 27 15:50:31 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 27 15:45:05 2021. And watch Tunnelrat feed the birds! |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Feb 27 15:54:57 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 27 15:50:31 2021. a sight to behold. |
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Posted by Snarf368 on Sat Feb 27 19:47:44 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 26 21:38:40 2021. Nimbykiller said “ Let's be honest, how many people really need to transfer between SAS and the Lex, or between SAS and Metro North. ”The tons of hospital workers and patients coming from the Bronx via 4,5,6. Metropolitan Hospital is walkable from 96/Lex but those working the hospitals on York Ave 68-72 St would rather the walk from SAS than Lex. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 28 03:55:51 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by TonyG on Sat Feb 27 11:16:51 2021. Who does or doesn’t work from home will depend on the whim of the employers. While the pandemic is still rampant, the workers can effectively use health reasons as excuses top work from home. Once it is perceived that the pandemic no longer exists, the employers could demand a return to normal working conditions. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 28 03:59:11 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Snarf368 on Sat Feb 27 19:47:44 2021. The problem with not extending the SAS to somewhere in the Bronx is that people who board in the Bx and are already on their trains would probably not want to bother changing trains since they are already moving in their desired direction. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 28 09:53:24 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 28 03:59:11 2021. When the MTA demolished the NYWB viaduct south of E 180, they literally cut off a lot of options.My preferred way of bringing the SAS to the Bronx would have been to run it along the NEC, up the viaduct, and literally end right at the NYWB station. Leave the White Plains Rd, and Pelham lines with the IRT, as they have been for 100+ years. MAYBE, but only MYABE in the future, bring the SAS back to the Dyre, but even that I don't favor very much. I still think it's probably better for the Dyre Ave Line to remain with the IRT. |
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Posted by Ancient Mariner on Sun Feb 28 11:21:02 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Feb 23 22:19:12 2021. I still think that the cost and disruption associated with tunneling under Astoria would reduce the likelihood of this ever happening. The "shoreline" route traverses what is now a 100% industrial area that also has the benefit providing better access (directly across Bowery Bay) to the airport.Honestly, it would be better to have a stop in Queens before the train arrives in Manhattan, so a transfer station somewhere on the shore might be of use. But there's also the appeal of an express trip to the East Side, with the connections/transfers that are part of phases III and IV. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 28 13:14:44 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 28 09:53:24 2021. How about running the SAS up Third Ave in the Bronx and running it across 180th St to connect with the Dyre Ave line? Just a thought! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 28 14:39:15 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Snarf368 on Sat Feb 27 19:47:44 2021. Also commuters from Metro-North to the far east side and the hospitals. I live in Riverdale and often have occasion to go to the east 80s. It's not that easy now, even to transfer to the Lex which is an outside walk. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 28 15:38:56 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Snarf368 on Sat Feb 27 19:47:44 2021. Also, I did the reverse commute to Westchester for several years. The trains were very full, but not starting at GCT. The stations with the most originating customers were 125th, Fordham, Williamsbridge, and Woodlawn. Plenty of people living closer to the Q than the 6 would be happy for the Q to go to 125th. |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Sun Feb 28 20:49:42 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 28 03:55:51 2021. Why would employers in NYC who are now enjoying breaking their commercial rent and lease agreements want to go back to exorbitant losses again? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 28 23:35:39 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Ble-nimx on Sun Feb 28 20:49:42 2021. As I mentioned in another post, there are some jobs that require one on one in person contact between company representatives and customers. Not every single transaction can be done by phone or on Zoom. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Mar 1 08:01:57 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 28 23:35:39 2021. I agree. And I'm very sure that people will want to have at least some in-person meetings and go to shows, museums, etc. |
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Mar 1 14:24:20 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 28 09:53:24 2021. My "plan" in the past prior to the demolition of the NYWB Viaduct was basically the same as yours except it would have two branches. One runs the full length of Manhattan and is joined at 72nd Street where the Q joins now. One branch runs enters the Bronx along the NEC, up the viaduct, and through the old NYWB station at 180th st and then on the Drye Avenue Line. The other goes down 3rd Avenue in the Bronx to Fordham Rd. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 1 16:37:30 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 23 07:07:38 2021. Why?Are You actually riding the B46,or Any south Brooklyn buses? This is the PERFECT TIME TO BUILD VARIOUS RAIL PROJECTS,like Utica Avenue and Second avenue subways. Also..lightrail projects that were places on the back burner Should be taken into account NOW. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 1 18:12:02 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 1 16:37:30 2021. Before plunging into a "Utica Ave" project I'd suggest extending the "M" train from Metropolitan Ave to the Upper level of Roosevelt Ave.And activate and connect the Rockaway Branch. The Right of Ways are still there, above ground, mostly and would serve transit starved lands. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 1 20:14:59 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 1 18:12:02 2021. Im looking at the Montauk Light rail project and the BQX as starter LRT systems.The LIRR rows can accomidate light rail lines Brooklyn and Queens..with extensions to tje Bronx and Manhattan via various East river crossings. Even Staten Island can get a piece via the Narrows Bridge. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 1 21:09:08 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 1 18:12:02 2021. The ROW that might be used for the extension of the M to Roosevelt is still in active use as a freight line so the only viable one to concentrate on would be the RBB. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 1 21:20:54 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 1 18:12:02 2021. If that happened then the M would intersect or overlap itself(at Queens Blvd.) I'd extend it north of Northern Blvd |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 1 21:23:23 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 1 21:09:08 2021. one day at Juniper Valley Park I heard a long freight train stop.As the cars collided it made the coolest crashing sound in the quiet neighborhood. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Mar 1 21:34:38 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Feb 25 13:53:12 2021. I figured 34 Av instead of Northern Blvd so that local trains wouldn't stop at two stations called "Northern Blvd" 3 stations apart. The block is about 600 feet long so it could have entrances at both.And I included Astoria Blvd. I'd position the station with northern exits at 23 Av and main entrance at Astoria Blvd. Alternatively, the station in that area could be under the GCP, with exits at 23 Av and along Ditmars Blvd, to better serve the residential blocks north of the GCP. Name it, I dunno, "81 St/Ditmars Blvd" or something since it's very close to that block. It would be very close to the Terminal A station, but that's not much of a concern IMO because it's not the same as overlapping the catchment areas of local stations. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Mar 1 21:49:30 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 1 16:37:30 2021. Also worth doing, TriBoro RX. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Mar 1 22:00:38 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 28 03:55:51 2021. "...excuses top work..."I know it was a typo, but truer words were never said, even by accident. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 2 07:33:41 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 1 21:09:08 2021. I doubt they would want to turn the M into a circular line anyway, stopping at Roosevelt Ave. station at or near both ends of the line. And wasn't the stub-end station at Roosevelt Ave. reused as a police precinct? Or am I thinking of some other unused station? |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Mar 2 08:03:14 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 2 07:33:41 2021. It was but that Transit Bureau District Office was moved years ago to a much larger one at the Briarwood - Van Wyck (one of my old home stations). Transit was using part of the area for storage but the platform and trackways were still accessible. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 2 15:29:17 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 28 13:14:44 2021. That would indeed restore transit access that was lost nearly 50 years ago. So in that sense, I like your idea. But nowadays, the Third Avenue line would have to be a tunnel. The 180th Street complex would have to be substantially modified as well, to accommodate east/west access.If the NYWB viaduct had remained in place, the actual NYWB platforms could have served as a terminal. But that's water under the bridge... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 2 15:30:42 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Q4 on Mon Mar 1 14:24:20 2021. Got it....! |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 2 16:06:18 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Q4 on Tue Mar 2 08:03:14 2021. Unless they were reopened, the trackways at Roosevelt upper level station area were filled in the make room for the police. |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Mar 2 19:32:55 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 2 16:06:18 2021. Not the entire portion. You were able to get to the trackways from the back of the platform down steps onto the road bed and walk further along where the two trackways began four. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 3 01:30:19 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Q4 on Tue Mar 2 19:32:55 2021. I was only referring to the portion in the immediate station area, not the area N/O the station. By the way the 2 trackways never become 4 only 3. While there is a ramp between the upper and lower level S/B there is no corresponding ramp on the N/B side as the bellmouth from the N/B lcl tk on the lower level just ends in a blank wall. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Mar 3 06:55:33 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 28 13:14:44 2021. With what has happened to the Dyre Ave. line at 180th Street - the removal of the bridge, the construction of the apartment building, and the construction of the bus garage / repair shops - the connecting of the Second Ave. subway to the former NY, Westchester and Boston line ROW cannot be done. |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Mar 3 10:20:15 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 3 01:30:19 2021. You are correct on the number of trackways being three instead of four. Odd set up. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Mar 3 10:31:02 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 3 01:30:19 2021. So, two track upper level terminal for the Winfield branch, and the ramp (adjacent to the upper level trackways) down to Roosevelt local track West bound.I was on a Transit Museum covering the upper level (terminal station and trackways to the east of it) during the late 1990s. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Mar 3 12:47:34 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 28 15:38:56 2021. When I was the MN ticket agent at 125 about 15 years ago, there was a big reverse commuting crowd. They were mostly from the upper east and west side, arriving by spousal drop-off or car service. The largest crowds were for the trains that left 125 between 8-9AM. At times, the crowds were so thick in the platform that you couldn't see from one end to the other. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Wed Mar 3 14:07:32 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Q4 on Wed Mar 3 10:20:15 2021. The Vanshnookenraggen Second System map makes it clear. The Manhattan-bound track from the branch would ramp up to the same level as the terminal to cross over the mainline and then ramp down (the ramp is visible today), but the Queens-bound track did not have to cross over anything so only a flat bellmouth was needed. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 3 16:15:42 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Mar 3 06:55:33 2021. It can be done but the connection would be a bit tricky. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 3 16:59:39 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 2 15:29:17 2021. SAS would continue as a subway up 3rd Ave to Tremont Ave, turn east, and run to E 180 St. Have an intermediate station at Southern Blvd-Crotona Pkwy. From there, it would veer to the left and connect with the existing Dyre Ave line, |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 3 17:02:38 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 3 16:59:39 2021. That would be about right. Unfortunately it does require a new subway infrastructure to be built in the Bronx which could have been avoided if the NYW&B ROW had been left intact. |
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