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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Nov 5 08:14:30 2019, in response to Re: 146th Street and Hillside, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Nov 4 20:02:50 2019. Actually it does load in mobile Safari, but you have to request the desktop site via the AA button. I'd say the host is more at fault for serving up an error message instead of something friendlier like an explanation. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 5 09:48:08 2019, in response to Re: 146th Street and Hillside, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Nov 4 20:02:50 2019. IAWTP. I hate iOS 13, and would have avoided the upgrade if I hadn’t bought an Apple Watch 5. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 5 09:50:14 2019, in response to Re: 146th Street and Hillside, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 4 23:56:00 2019. Do you have an old version of Microsoft Office? Catalina dropped support for 32 bit applications. This was expected for a long time. IIRC, Mojave had error messages to that effect, although 32 bit apps still ran.I don’t have problems accessing YouTube via Catalina. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 5 19:49:09 2019, in response to Re: 146th Street and Hillside, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 5 09:50:14 2019. I don’t think have a version of Office that’s that old. As for Youtube, I don't have trouble if I use Firefox, but occasionally I do have trouble in Safari |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 5 21:10:27 2019, in response to Re: 146th Street and Hillside, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 5 19:49:09 2019. What version year is it? |
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President Street Headhouse |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jan 19 11:04:01 2020, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 31 14:05:19 2018. Anyone know when this was closed/removed? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Jan 19 12:34:35 2020, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 31 14:05:19 2018. re: President Street stairs and headhouse of Botanic Garden (BMT) station.Was this headhouse architecturally interesting/ significant? If so is there a photo of this anywhere? nycsubway.org for example, etc.? I just woke up and am on my way out in about 5 minutes, so I don't have time to look for it. Any info./assistance, i.e. URL's etc. is appreciated. Thanks. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sun Jan 19 18:14:41 2020, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Express Rider on Sun Jan 19 12:34:35 2020. The Historic Aerials map from 1980 appears to show a small square headhouse and staircases. I found a 1980s tax photo showing what appears to be a boarded-up empty lot. Dunno the timeline here though. |
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[PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 19:23:19 2020, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 31 14:05:19 2018.  (February 1, 1967) 
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Jan 19 21:12:21 2020, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by K. Trout on Sun Jan 19 18:14:41 2020. Thanks for finding this photo and the other link! |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 19 21:48:53 2020, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by K. Trout on Sun Jan 19 18:14:41 2020. Nice research 👍 |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Jan 20 00:40:35 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 19:23:19 2020. That seems to be it, and it matches the aerial shots. One interesting thing is that in the 1981 photo, the stairs don't appear to be closed off, even though the building looks seriously dilapidated. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jan 20 01:01:55 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by K. Trout on Mon Jan 20 00:40:35 2020. It's hard to say for sure, but it looks as if the stairs go to the sidewalk without entering the building. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 01:08:16 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 19:23:19 2020. Even though neither of the stairways actually enter the headhouse, if you look carefully yoo can see that the portion of the sidewalk at the top of the stairs is behind a fence and thus within fare controls. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jan 20 03:18:02 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jan 20 01:01:55 2020. I saw that too. Wasn’t there a fare control area? |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Jan 20 06:51:20 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 19:23:19 2020. But those stairs don't seem to go anywhere. I'm thinking those are very old stairs that date to when this was a railroad line, rather than a subway, and so didn't need a fare-control area. Possible? I'm also thinking the head-house in the second picture (which is on a street) isn't the same as the one in the first picture. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 20 06:54:03 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jan 20 03:18:02 2020. I saw that too. Wasn’t there a fare control area?It may have had a full time agent years ago. I never accessed that entrance so I would guess there was an "iron maiden" there or just exit only. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 20 06:59:53 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Jan 20 06:51:20 2020. But those stairs don't seem to go anywhere. I'm thinking those are very old stairs that date to when this was a railroad line, rather than a subway, and so didn't need a fare-control area. Possible?Those stairs have to go somewhere or otherwise those stairways would have been fenced off and closed to the public. I'm also thinking the head-house in the second picture (which is on a street) isn't the same as the one in the first picture. Both station head houses are one in the same. This can't be Park Place or Dean St. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 20 07:01:10 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by K. Trout on Mon Jan 20 00:40:35 2020. One interesting thing is that in the 1981 photo, the stairs don't appear to be closed off, even though the building looks seriously dilapidated.There could have been a exit only turnstile out of view and the building no longer needed. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 20 07:07:22 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 19:23:19 2020. Geez, nobody noticed the #7 Franklin route sign ? The R 27/30's never had them. The R-11's had #7.The R 27/30's were signed up (SS). This was a Steve Zabel sign up job. Steve was a motorman on the shuttle that weekend and he got word out to the ERA and some guys showed up with cameras such as I. That #7 was from his collection. This was at the time the Franklin Shuttle was threatened with closure. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by zac on Mon Jan 20 09:01:01 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 19:23:19 2020. What I see here is the same building from opposite sides. The top picture has stairs from the platform that lead possibly to the headhouse and possibly directly to the street. These stairs head down to the north. The second photo shows stairs to track level, probably left over from the very old days, that head down to the south.In the second picture you can see where the stairs from the platform come up but it is unclear whether they go straight out to the street or into the headhouse. The headhouse looks like it may be boarded up. When I'm at Botanic Garden station these days I peer down towards Prospect Park and I can't even figure out where the old platform went beyond the 2 car length it is now. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 20 09:06:27 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 20 07:07:22 2020. Must have taken the route sign off an R11. R16's route signs only went from 10 to 16. |
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Posted by zac on Mon Jan 20 10:48:21 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 20 09:06:27 2020. I remember the R11 had the 7 when it ran on the shuttle, usually with a pair of R32, but sometimes 3 of them. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:09:42 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 19:23:19 2020. Yes! Wow, what a great picture. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:10:25 2020, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by K. Trout on Sun Jan 19 18:14:41 2020. I had seen the aerial, but not the tax photo. Thanks. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:16:51 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 19:23:19 2020. You really need a book with all of your pictures! A lot of railfans would be willing to pay $60-80 for great historical images that cannot be seen elsewhere. Similar books go for as much. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:23:34 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by K. Trout on Mon Jan 20 00:40:35 2020. According to station reporter, this station house was part-time, had a token booth, and was closed in the 1970s. Stationreporter has a lot of great stuff, and points you in the right direction, but the specifics are not always right. The closing date seems to be off based on the picture from 1981. |
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[ANOTHER PHOTO?] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:29:22 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 19 19:23:19 2020. I searched on the Transit Museum's Past Perfect website and found this image. The website says it was taken in July 1979. The description reads "Photograph documenting the conditions of the Botanic Gardens station of the BMT Franklin Shuttle Line for the New York City Transit Authority Maintenance of Way Division. Photograph shows graffiti and train station signage for 8th Avenue Subway. Typewritten label on photograph reads: Botanic Gardens Station, Vandalized entrance way." |
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[Avenue Y exit] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:48:16 2020, in response to List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 29 16:48:39 2018. According to Interested Rider, on NYCTF, this exit to Avenue Y and Shell Road was closed in 1957, when the steel structure for it was still visible. I just looked on the Transit Museum Past Perfect website, and found pictures of it still standing in 1950. Anyone have any more information on it, or any idea why it would have been removed?
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:53:34 2020, in response to [Avenue Y exit] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:48:16 2020. The following image shows that a portion of it was removed already. Though it can be seen in the previous image, this is clearer. It was taken on the same date. Here is one more: 
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 20 11:55:44 2020, in response to [Avenue Y exit] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:48:16 2020. When did the maintenance shop closest to Ave X station go up? And the lead-in trackage south of the station? That may be a clue. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:59:23 2020, in response to Re: [Avenue Y exit] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 20 11:55:44 2020. The lead-in track went being surveyed 1951, a year later, according to the description for this picture:
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 20 12:01:11 2020, in response to Re: [Avenue Y exit] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:59:23 2020. That's where I'd put my money then. The staircase was either in the way of construction or at least deemed not worthy of maintenance given that nothing all that significant for ordinary passengers would probably show up on that side of the avenue. |
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Re: [Avenue Y exit] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 12:15:10 2020, in response to Re: [Avenue Y exit] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 20 12:01:11 2020. I had suspected that it could have been in the way. I am searching for more information about removed exits at Bay 50th Street and 25th Avenue on the West End Line to see if they were removed at the same time. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 20 12:19:07 2020, in response to Re: [Avenue Y exit] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 12:15:10 2020. I'd be interested to know what you come up with. And thanks by the way as I never knew about the Ave Y staircase. Can you tell if it reached the street near the corner or was it will a bit of a walk to reach Ave Y? I can't tell based on today's Google street-view, helpful as that is.But yeah, my suspicion is that everyone realized that with tracks going everywhere on that side of Shell Road and within that block, there wasn't going to be anything in the near future that would sprout up and justify keeping a passenger staircase there. That, and the more space available for the new construction, the better I suppose. |
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Re: [ANOTHER PHOTO?] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 20 12:23:13 2020, in response to [ANOTHER PHOTO?] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:29:22 2020. Interesting photo.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 20 13:04:19 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 11:16:51 2020. I gave my cousin the calendar for Christmas and he said the same thing. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 16:28:52 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 20 06:54:03 2020. See my post. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 16:34:00 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 20 09:06:27 2020. There was a small number of R-16s that did include Southern Division readings. I was fortunate enough to have one of them the week I worked the Culver Shuttle in 1969 and I actually displayed 5/Culver on the car that had it |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 20 16:40:42 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 16:28:52 2020. See my post.I did see your post. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 20 16:42:06 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 16:34:00 2020. Was it the 50 that originally were on the A train ? |
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Re: [Avenue Y exit] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 16:58:40 2020, in response to Re: [Avenue Y exit] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 20 12:15:10 2020. If you take a good look at the photos, you will notice that the ramp is well south of the tower structure south of the station and the Ave Y staircase. I haven’t been able to find any information about that ramp but AFAIK it was always there as long as the rest of the Culver structure was. What I haven’t been able to find out is of there were any tracks on that ramp or switches connected to it or if that tower was ever active or was always vacant. Does anyone out there have any accurate info about it? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 17:11:42 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 20 16:42:06 2020. I’m not sure. When I lived in Wash Hts I always hoped to get an R-16 whenever I rode the A. AFAIK, unlike the R-10s which occasionally showed up on the AA/BB the R-16s operated exclusively on the A. I had heard that when those 50 R-16s were on the IND they only had signs for the A Line and If I recall, the side route signs did not have the actual letter A but rather read “Wash Hts 8th Ave Exp” which was the reading the R-10s had. The R-16s lasted on the IND at least till the summer of 1958 since a train of them was used on the short lived “Rockaway Special" that ran during that summer. The Rockaway Special operated similarly to the Aqueduct Race Track specials but as part of the premium fare, a ride ticket to Rockaway Playland was included. The special made only one trip in the late morning on weekends between 42/8 lower and Playland station making a single stop at Hoyt. There was no return trip. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jan 20 21:31:21 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by zac on Mon Jan 20 09:01:01 2020. I agree about it being the same building from opposite sides; the details seem to support that. It also explains why the stairs in the second, earlier photo are fenced off but the stairs in the first photo are not. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Jan 21 16:22:49 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by K. Trout on Mon Jan 20 00:40:35 2020. Also a fine example of the total decrepitude of a lot of the subway system in the early 1980s. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 21 16:25:15 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by K. Trout on Mon Jan 20 00:40:35 2020. even though the building looks seriously dilapidated."rustic" |
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Posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 21 17:57:36 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 20 06:54:03 2020. Am I imagining it, or did the conductor collect fares on board the Franklin Shuttle in the 80's? So there would be no need for fare control... Or maybe that was a different line (Dyre Ave?)? Or maybe I'm just nuts... |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 21 18:18:49 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 21 17:57:36 2020. Dyre collected fares late PMs and midnights on board and till it closed N/O Bway/Myrtle C/Rs collected fares between Sumner and Navy St (Bridge/Jay had an agent) late PMs and Midnights. They also experimented with on board fare collection on the Midnight Rockaway Round Robin Shuttle, but it didn’t last too long because of the problems enforcing the double fare collection from passengers departing the trains in Rockaway and the need to issue paper transfers to passenger entering at Rock Pk needing to transfer to Euclid bound shuttles at Gaston. |
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