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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Dec 15 23:55:01 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 15 17:01:36 2018. Hope you're right. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 00:37:59 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Dec 15 23:55:01 2018. I'd like to see it come back with double the frequency, and really give some importance to that Pennsauken transfer station they put so much effort into building.Of course, I'd also like to see commuter service between Philly and Mount Holly, but that'd be just as much of a miracle as seeing rail service between Philly and Cape May (even though both lines are in situ). |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Dec 16 01:08:32 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 15 23:19:31 2018. who wouldn't be? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 01:28:16 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 15 23:19:31 2018. Don't hijack the thread. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 01:29:27 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by ntrainride on Sun Dec 16 01:08:32 2018. I don't get these "railfans" that want to broadcast the fact that they aren't very fond of trains.Aside from such "railfans", the only others that are happy with the absence of trains like the Blue Comet are politicians who want to control all passenger trains. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 16 03:31:56 2018, in response to ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018. So, um, does anyone have any actual evidence that the ACRL isn't going to reopen? Because the linked article doesn't even mention a delay; it says that the ACRL was scheduled to reopen in early 2019 and is still scheduled to reopen in early 2019, but NJT has yet to name a specific date this far in advance, which is hardly unprecedented.The article mentions a bunch of people speculating that the line won't reopen, but neither it nor any of the people likewise speculating in this thread have offered any actual evidence. Considering the extensive maintenance and upgrades that have been performed on it, the relatively abundant ridership, the fact that New Jersey finally has a government relatively supportive of transit, and the political climate nationwide trending towards transit construction rather than transit abandonment, it seems all but certain that the line will reopen within a politician's idea of on schedule— not necessarily right on time, but within some semblance of it. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 16 05:15:16 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 16 03:31:56 2018. But where would SubChat be without unfounded speculation?Don't forget that the Manhattan Bridge repairs were sure not to last either because the bridge was inherently unusable by those heavy subway trains running on the outside. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 16 06:14:03 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 16 03:31:56 2018. Given NJT's operating and management issues over the past few years, and its known personnel shortages, it's not unreasonable to infer that the railroad will try to allocate its resources where demand is highest. Generally speaking, that's the northern half of the state."Temporary" service suspensions have a nasty way of becoming indefinite. See SEPTA trolley Routes 23 and 56, which have been"suspended" for more than a generation. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 16 07:27:06 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 15 22:34:07 2018. I wasn't referring to the ACRL prognosis, but the configuration of NJT trains as of 1/1/19 |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 16 07:27:56 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 15 22:45:31 2018. We are not out of the woods with the Southwest Chief. Only a reprieve until 10/31/2019. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 16 07:34:54 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 16 06:14:03 2018. Do remember that NJT management lie like rugs. Murphy is also quite tolerant of it. Thus far, he is a disappointment. I was hoping for a ton of pink slips. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 16 07:46:23 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 16 07:27:56 2018. The SWC is different, and I'm actually worried about that one. Primary reason is that it is the only train on the endangered section of the route (not the only passenger train, the only train, period).For the LSL, not only does it share with a lot of freight, most of the stations are also shared with other trains. I think the only LSL-only stations are Pittsfield and Erie. It's the E train of Amtrak long distance. For the ACL, it's the only NJT heavy rail line in South Jersey. Considering everyone in the state pays taxes towards NJT, losing that token line would open a can of worms, especially considering how much money is going towards the Penn Station end which South Jerseyans have little use for... |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sun Dec 16 08:03:22 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 00:37:59 2018. Of course, I'd also like to see commuter service between Philly and Mount Holly, but that'd be just as much of a miracle as seeing rail service between Philly and Cape May (even though both lines are in situ).Commuter service to Mount Holly will not happen. PATCO's plan to run to Mount Holly and Gov Whitman's proposed commuter rail to Mount Holly were both vetoed by the NIMBYs in Moorestown, the wealthiest town in Burlington County. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 16 08:41:13 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by chuchubob on Sun Dec 16 08:03:22 2018. That's why we have the RiverLine. Whitman had to do something for South Jersey even though commuter rail and extended PATCO all failed to get support. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 16 09:02:33 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 12 15:07:47 2018. Better question: why was it deemed necessary to completely shut ACRL down to install PTC? Other, more complicated systems have done PTC with no interruptions in service. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sun Dec 16 09:15:17 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 16 09:02:33 2018. ACRL was shut down to move equipment and crews to North Jersey during Transit's acute shortage of both. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 16 09:46:18 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by chuchubob on Sun Dec 16 09:15:17 2018. Which begs another silly question: without enough engineers, locomotives, or cars to operate the full system, how are they expecting to restore service on ACRL in the foreseeable future, much less the beloved Princeton Dinky? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 16 10:06:33 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 16 09:46:18 2018. That is a silly question - they're fixing both of those problems. Hiring more engineers and once all their locomotives/cab cars have PTC, they're good. The equipment shortage is temporary; in order to meet the requirement in time they needed to take more engines/cabs out for PTC install than they could spare. As for why they let it get that dire and didn't start upgrading earlier? I think they assumed they would be able to get a deadline extension, not expecting Anderson to throw them the "No PTC? Not on my railroad!" curveball making an extension request pointless. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 10:50:01 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 16 08:41:13 2018. By "all failed to get support", that sounds like a lot of politicians involved in pay-to-play especially with respect to Bombardier and Bechtel. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 10:52:14 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 16 10:06:33 2018. Funny that an alleged mass firing and/or mass retirement of NJT hoggers never hit the news. Were they abducted by aliens?Most of the missing trains were on lines where there is PTC already. Not buying the BS. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 16 11:01:23 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 10:52:14 2018. They do not have enough equipment to cover all the service, even with the ACRL shut down. They were barely managing as it was. Some of the Comet and Arrow cars were Sandy damaged and never coming back. They cannot get parts. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 12:49:52 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 16 11:01:23 2018. They do not have enough equipment to cover all the serviceThat sounds un-credible too. Some of the Comet and Arrow cars were Sandy damaged and never coming back. They cannot get parts That's also another NJT lie. If Utah can get parts for Comet Is, and CalTrans can get parts for Comet IBs of all things, NJT can get parts for newer Comets far easier than that, even Comet IIIs. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 16 13:12:52 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 10:52:14 2018. The engineer shortage occurred slowly, thanks to the Christie-era NJ residency requirement. Plus over the past decade NJT has developed a tendency to throw their conductors under the bus w/r/t passenger disputes, with that kind of hostile work environment I'm sure those who could have been jumping ship to Amtrak, MNRR or LIRR rather than put up with that crap. Less conductors means less potential engineers. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 13:34:10 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 16 13:12:52 2018. That makes no sense. Engineer wages can cover moving expenses, and the unions can help with that (lots of credit union affiliations). Don't act like the unions have no influence. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 16 15:12:14 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 13:34:10 2018. They are critically short crews because they have quit in droves, whether it makes sense to your or not. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 17 11:22:16 2018, in response to ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018. Saw this on Facebook.Important Note to all NJ TRANSIT Rail Customers As NJ TRANSIT works to complete the installation and certification process of Positive Train Control (PTC) on our diesel locomotives, we are maximizing the use of all of our available equipment as much as possible. Consequently, customers may encounter a train where a cab car is positioned in front of a locomotive. Due to safety and operational reasons, this cab car will not be accessible to customers. We apologize for any inconvenience and thank you for your patience as we continuously work to advance the federally mandated PTC project. For additional information and language assistance, please contact NJ TRANSIT Customer Service at (973) 275-5555 between the hours of 8:30 a.m. and 5 p.m. daily. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Feb 12 05:53:39 2019, in response to ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018. When will ACRL start again |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Feb 12 15:36:29 2019, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Feb 12 05:53:39 2019. A bit dramatic.Riders don't have to find an alternate means of transportation. NJT is providing the alternate means of transportation. The problem is the shortage of engineers because NJT does not pay well and they learn their craft there and move elsewhere. Add to that the regular stuff of retirements and promotions. I know you are aware of this but I guess the reporter isn't. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Feb 12 16:56:34 2019, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Feb 12 05:53:39 2019. Thanks for the comments,Bill from Maspeth. I realize the big problem is the shortage of engineers. My friend who is a dispatcher for Lakeland for the Gladstone shuttle told me about that 2 months ago. Also, lack of equipment , because available trains were shifted to more "needy" lines. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 13 12:51:12 2019, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Feb 12 16:56:34 2019. Right, too many cars and power out of service for PTC work and beginning to catch up on deferred maintaince because of lack of materiel to repair them.So even if these cars were available, if you don't have the engineers to operate them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 13 19:06:07 2019, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 13 12:51:12 2019. An AC-area State Senator chartered a bus and brought a mob of people to tonight's Board meeting.Furthermore, a US House state delegation letter was sent to NJT. 11 of 12 reps signed it, (one was not available at the time) Governor Murphy did not help matters any when he lied between his teeth a couple of weeks ago saying were it not for the federal shutdown, and furloughed FRA inspectors, the ACRL would have opened by then. Also hurting matters is that the NJT Board Chair is the State DOT Commissioner, by definition. She is a highway girl and admittedly knows nothing at all about buses and trains. |
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