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Posted by heypaul on Sat Oct 27 15:27:46 2018 East Side Access Terminal |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Oct 27 18:40:18 2018, in response to Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by heypaul on Sat Oct 27 15:27:46 2018. groovy, momentous stuff. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 10:33:11 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Sat Oct 27 18:40:18 2018. I'm hoping with it comes thru MNRR-LIRR ticketing (as in, a ticket from Jamaica to Fordham should cost roughly the same as a ticket from Jamaica to Flushing, and not the sum total of Fordham to GCT and Zone 1 to Zone 3).Then in 20-30 years if NY ever gets a Robert Moses of transit, they can extend the LIRR tunnels downtown under Park Ave to some lower Manhattan terminal, with 1-2 intermediate stops. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 28 10:41:48 2018, in response to Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by heypaul on Sat Oct 27 15:27:46 2018. No access to video.GRRRrrrrr |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 28 10:45:34 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 10:33:11 2018. a ticket from Jamaica to Fordham should cost roughly the same as a ticket from Jamaica to Flushing, and not the sum total of Fordham to GCT and Zone 1 to Zone 3That isn't even the case within MNRR Hudson and Harlem Lines. Have you priced out a ticket from Williamsbridge to Riverdale lately? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 11:19:43 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 28 10:45:34 2018. Ouch. Yeah I guess MNRR should stop gouging their own customers first. For a RR that is so reverse-peak friendly (to the point where they have to charge the peak rate bidirectionally in the AM) they sure don't make it easy for non-traditional commute patterns. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 28 11:34:06 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 11:19:43 2018. Yeah I guess MNRR should stop gouging their own customers first.If you make Williamsbridge to Riverdale cheaper than to 125th, how do you keep people from getting out at 125th and not taking the second leg of their trip? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 12:19:52 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Sat Oct 27 18:40:18 2018. Only ten years late and at three times the cost. For what was spent on it, another tunnel could have been built extending southwards into Lower Manhattan and under the East River to connect it with the Atlantic Avenue line in Brooklyn."East Side Abscess" therefore is a perfect sobriquet for it. We could have had SAS to Staten Island instead, for example. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 12:26:34 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 10:33:11 2018. I'm hoping with it comes thru MNRR-LIRR ticketingYou know the old saying, "hope in one hand and 💩 in the other; guess which hand fills up first". Then in 20-30 years if NY ever gets a Robert Moses of transit Moses was all about transit—road transit—and he did a lot of things wrong too. Let the free market back into it; after all, that's what got seven waterfront terminals (which would have been in Manhattan if not for the city's stupid anti-steam laws) and two electrified stations built. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 12:27:41 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 12:19:52 2018. Correction; this will be 13 years late at best since it's still tentatively scheduled to open in 2022. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 12:29:50 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 10:33:11 2018. NO! NO! NO!Commission the Fleet of 75 ft commuter cars similar to WAMTA's latest version 7000 cars.   Connect LIRR to DeKalb Tunnel only inbound. One stop only, Chambers, then on to the Manhattan bridge outbound only. Back to Atlantic Ave Terminal then Jamaica and Long Beach or Far Rockaway, or West Hempstead and all stations in between. Layups on unused portion between Chambers and Bowery. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 12:41:13 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 28 10:41:48 2018. Do you have a smartphone as an alternate? Those just love to play videos. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 12:42:03 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 12:29:50 2018. Would people want to ride those out to Babylon? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 13:22:06 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 12:42:03 2018. I'm not sure.How long is the longest WAMTA ride now? The astute student will note, I only suggested destinations in Queens and Nassau. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Oct 28 13:50:54 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 12:29:50 2018. If the LIRR went to Fulton Center, and I could avoid the guessing game of which train will get me to Atlantic Terminal with minimal delays in time to catch my train, that would be helpful. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Oct 28 13:57:27 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 12:27:41 2018. Couldn't they just have tied in to the Metro North's tracks north of Grand Central and been done with it since slots would have freed up for the Metro North to go to Penn Station? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Oct 28 14:31:45 2018, in response to Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by heypaul on Sat Oct 27 15:27:46 2018. Thanks. Indeed a brief video, but I guess it's the best available.Thanks for sharing. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 14:33:55 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 28 11:34:06 2018. You don't make it cheaper than a single one way, you make it cheaper than two one ways. For example Flushing to Jamaica is $8.25 off peak $11.50 peak, while Flushing to Woodside and Jamaica to Woodside are each peak: 10.25, off peak: 7.50.Without LIRR's via-ticketing a peak journey between Flushing and Jamaica would be $17.75, but with via ticketing it is $11.50. Metro-North requires the two separate tickets. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 28 14:38:32 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 14:33:55 2018. You don't make it cheaper than a single one way, you make it cheaper than two one ways.I agree that would be very sensible. The only "abuse" would be someone going Williamsbridge to 125th, doing a whole bunch of stuff there, and then going to Riverdale. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 28 14:45:29 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 28 14:38:32 2018. This problem can be solved by allowing this only with electronic tickets, and then time restricting them. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Oct 28 17:07:34 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 12:19:52 2018. Or, south from GCT to 33 St and then west to Penn Station. Except that it would be pointless, since the LIRR tracks at GCT won't connect with the Metro-North tracks above, and wind up in Queens where the tracks from NYP go anyway. Unless one unpowered track was built, for emergency use, ramping up from the new LIRR station below to the Metro-North tunnel above. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 17:27:17 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 28 14:45:29 2018. Two other solutions:(1) Turnstile the network :) (2) Not care (which is the LIRR approach). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 17:31:48 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Oct 28 13:57:27 2018. Metro North refused to let LIRR do that. Three lines really do need 40+ tracks [/sarcasm]. (In all seriousness I think the real impact would have been more on the unexpandable four track Park Ave Tunnel).In some way I think LIRR fighting Metro-North on slots for PSA is revenge for that. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 28 17:52:29 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 12:29:50 2018. The SOAC of the 1970s had one car with rapid transit dimensions and commuter RR amenities. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 28 17:56:45 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 17:31:48 2018. That’s the problem with the way the way the MTA was set up. Instead of a separate LIRR and M/N there should be one MTA Commuter Rail with absolute authority over all NYC area commuter operations that were former LIRR, NYC and NHRR with the various subdivisions and when it came time for LIRR access to GCT it could have been done without any resistance whatsoever. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 18:31:30 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 28 17:52:29 2018. Yes, but the door positions of the "Commuter car were the same as the rapid transit car. The big difference was cushioned seating and a table for a card game or snacks.  |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Oct 28 19:28:18 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 12:29:50 2018. i like it! yeah, commuter rail over the east river bridges sure would be nice. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Oct 28 19:31:53 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 12:19:52 2018. i mean, yeah. hell, all i "wanted" was side platforms under park avenue. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 19:43:11 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Oct 28 13:57:27 2018. No, and no. LIRR is not giving up Penn Station slots and any claims to that effect are rumors. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 19:43:54 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 17:31:48 2018. No; there's no fight going on. Penn Station Access is DOA. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 19:46:02 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 17:27:17 2018. You'll get POP before turnstiles. And then you can really watch the fare revenue hemorrhage. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 19:47:25 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 18:31:30 2018. There are actually two more doors per car on those jobs.Imagine looking out of your window on those and seeing Hicksville? How about Ronkonkoma? And if LIRR pax complain about the seats now . . . |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 21:17:38 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 19:46:02 2018. PoP is a terrible idea for NY area railroads. PoP might work on various light rails and SBS because the fare is under $3. A standard adult can't go anywhere for under $3 on MTA Railroads, so the fare evasion incentive is much higher.I also disagree with PoP because it will be impossible to enforce. The best method of enforcement is a crippling fine (e.g. higher than the highest monthly pass rate) that makes any amount of evasion a ludicrous idea. Problem is, liberals will whine about profiling or unequal enforcement because those constantly caught without tickets will typically be poor. They will whine that the poor can't afford said crippling fine (ignoring that they shouldn't have taken the train they couldn't afford in the first place). Turnstiles are nice and impartial. They do not care who you are, what you're dressed like, what your extenuating circumstances are, or what you identify as. They care only about two things: does the entity attempting to pass through have the fare for the shortest possible distance on their card (when entering) and does said entity have the fare for the distance travelled (when exiting). Someone caught hopping over the turnstile cannot claim ignorance of the rules to try and get a free pass from the constabulary. Hell since someone would have to hop the turnstile at both ends, a police presence at the destination would force a fare beater who got past the entry turnstile into one of those "maximum possible fare" scenarios to get out (I, uh, lost my card). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 21:36:21 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 19:47:25 2018. Never gonna happen, might, might have a chance with the WMATA 6k style seating, at least they're cushioned.The 7K is one step away from what Japan calls commuter trains:   Though at least those still have cushions and bathrooms. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 21:45:19 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 21:36:21 2018. Never gonna happenThat's my point. Nice "Erebētā" sign in the second pic. (I would have had to spell it "エレヴェーター" though.) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Oct 29 06:58:11 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 28 10:45:34 2018. Not to mention the ridiculous old New Haven RR restriction of passengers exiting at certain stations |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 29 12:14:29 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Oct 28 13:57:27 2018. Metro North will free up far less space in GCT, like 3 trains per hour, than what LIRR plans to run, which is 24 or 28 trains per hour.In other words, there is no room, and that ignores the 3+1 operation of the Park Avenue tunnel, the reverse peak of which is run to capacity. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 29 12:15:36 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 28 19:43:11 2018. Yes they are. LIRR has no say in the matter. The MTA Board is the de facto LIRR Board and that is what they will do.What you are spouting are rumors. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 29 12:17:16 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Oct 28 13:22:06 2018. There is the "little" matter of FRA collision standards. If The WMATA 7K's re anything like an R160, they are good for 200K pounds, not 800K. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 29 12:22:29 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 21:17:38 2018. Newark subway ran in the Black or close to it when it collected cash fares like a bus. Now with POP, its farebox recovery is 30%. |
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Posted by jrf2 on Mon Oct 29 12:45:11 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 10:33:11 2018. Then in 20-30 years if NY ever gets a Robert Moses of transit, they can extend the LIRR tunnels downtown under Park Ave to some lower Manhattan terminal, with 1-2 intermediate stops.And what about MNRR going to lower Manhattan? |
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Posted by jrf2 on Mon Oct 29 12:49:20 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 21:17:38 2018. I sometimes has to meet a passenger in a wheelchair. Using turnstiles to enter platforms to get the person from the train to the parking lot would be a big NO-NO. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 29 12:49:22 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 28 17:56:45 2018. The STB (surface Transportation Board ) nixed that idea years ago.MTA wanted to merge the two complete separate railroads, but STB found its reasoning to be busting of union contracts as both railroads have no common territory or purpose, only things MTA was allowed to merge was departments like purchasing /legal / human resources . |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Oct 29 12:54:59 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 29 12:49:22 2018. no common territory or purposeNo common purpose? MNRR transports people and LIRR transports ??? |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 29 13:03:22 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Oct 28 13:57:27 2018. There was a proposal to have the LIRR use the currently unused upper level loop tracks at GCT, having trains arrive on west side of the loop, immediately discharge their passengers, then go around the loop and return to Queens, but that plan was quickly shot down by the MTA. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 29 13:06:17 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by AlM on Mon Oct 29 12:54:59 2018. that is not reason to merge , both are distinct separate railroads. with both having different charters . |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 29 13:07:16 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 29 13:03:22 2018. There is no unused upper level loop tracks , all are used every day. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 29 13:09:24 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 29 13:07:16 2018. What about the lower level loop? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 29 13:13:26 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 29 13:09:24 2018. Lower level loop was out of service for over 20 years already, but tying in LIRR in lower level would have caused years of disruption for underpinning the tracks in park avenue tunnel from 63 street to lower level. MN is not in position to lose even one track for extended time so that plan went out the door real fast.it would also leave MN with a negative amount of storage tracks greater than what they lost now, which would have added to park avenue congestion . |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 29 14:37:14 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 29 13:03:22 2018. IRUM is George Haikalis, and it did not take much to rip it apart. The man is clueless on rail operations. |
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