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Posted by Dave on Tue Oct 16 16:34:07 2018 Allow free transfers between rail, subways, and buses |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 16 18:59:01 2018, in response to New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Dave on Tue Oct 16 16:34:07 2018. fine idea. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Oct 17 09:22:24 2018, in response to New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Dave on Tue Oct 16 16:34:07 2018. good thing is, NY city comptroller has no power in MTA board so his idiotic idea has no following, dumping millions of subway riders on already overcrowded commuter trains is not the answer. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 17 10:39:35 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 16 18:59:01 2018. I disagree. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 17 10:47:48 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 16 18:59:01 2018. $$$$The current capacity of the MNRR Harlem Line locals is about 2% that of the 4, B, and D lines. If even a small portion of 4, B, and D riders move to MNRR, someone is going to have to pay for a lot of new equipment. It's also not clear that GCT can take more trains in the rush hour. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Oct 17 10:52:15 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 17 10:47:48 2018. In this case, the Comptroller really IS a putz!! |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Wed Oct 17 11:16:36 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Oct 17 10:52:15 2018. Sounds like he's grandstanding for the 2021 mayors race. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Oct 17 11:26:50 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by shiznit1987 on Wed Oct 17 11:16:36 2018. He's been this way for a while now. Once a putz, always a putz. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 17 11:43:18 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 17 10:47:48 2018. Is there a demand? Then it should be accommodated. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 17 14:30:22 2018, in response to New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Dave on Tue Oct 16 16:34:07 2018. That is crazy .... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 17 14:58:34 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 17 11:43:18 2018. The DEMAND is that people commuting in from great distances do NOT need to be on a train making local stops when there already is no space left on the train for them, |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 17 15:11:49 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 17 11:43:18 2018. The demand that exists at a price of $9 a trip is being satisfied by MNRR.The demand that exists at $2.75 (with transfer to other subways included) is being satisfied by the 4, B, and D. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 16:09:09 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Oct 17 09:22:24 2018. I don’t think he is talking so much as dumping riders on crowded commuter trains as filling up the empty seats on non rush hour commuter trains which I have often seen running with most of the cars empty on the LIRR along Sunrise Hwy. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Oct 17 16:13:58 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 17 10:47:48 2018. Run extra Harlem Line locals to a new station near the 2/5 or 4 stations in the S. Bronx, where folks can transfer to the subways. There is plenty of capacity on the Bronx portion of the Harlem line north of the merge with the Hudson line. The Harlem has 4 tracks. So does the combined Harlem/Hudson line below 125th. Thus, the slots filled by Hudson Line trains below 125th are available on the Harlem Line above 125th. |
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Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA (again?) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 17 16:58:32 2018, in response to New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Dave on Tue Oct 16 16:34:07 2018. Are we back to the "MTA Rail Road" redux? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 17 17:35:09 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA (again?), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 17 16:58:32 2018. I don't think it is that. But this is an unfunded proposal for free or discounted transfers between both railroads and the subway. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 17 18:18:14 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 16:09:09 2018. Shoulda kept the 3rd Avenue el. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Oct 17 19:56:01 2018, in response to New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Dave on Tue Oct 16 16:34:07 2018. Eh, counter-proposal:1. Reduce weekday fares to equal that of an express bus. 2. Provide a free transfer *from* commuter rail *to* the subway, and a transfer with step-up charge for the opposite direction. Like express buses. 3. Do what every metropolitan region outside the US does with dense, frequent commuter rail and turnstile the system (at least within the city limits) so fares can be enforced for larger crowds more easily, and these transfers can be handled. Conductors/collectors would only be needed after the last stop within NYC. |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Wed Oct 17 22:04:19 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Oct 17 19:56:01 2018. I think the OFF-PEAK trains should accept the Unlimited Metrocard within city limits. Pay with station machine to get paper receipt (or have the MTA app accept your Metrocard serial number) that you can show to LIRR/MNR conductor. Off-peak trains have tons of extra capacity. You'll reduce demand for local and express buses in transit deserts such as Southeastern Queens which will offset some of the subsidy needed here. But I think this shouldn't apply on any PEAK train.The N20G (and express version of the N20G) run super frequently all day long since people can't afford the off-peak fare from Flushing to Great Neck. The N4 and N4x have been a success since people can't afford the off-peak fare from Freeport to Jamaica. And I'm talking the crazy expensive off-peak fare, not the totally outlandish peak fare. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 18 00:54:37 2018, in response to New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Dave on Tue Oct 16 16:34:07 2018. Allow free transfers between rail, subways, and busesI suspect I'm one of the few that supports this proposal, but once you've used a system with fare parity, it's a beautiful thing. In German cities, there's no magical higher fare for choosing to use the regional railway over the bus or subway despite being operated by different ownership. It permits the use of the fastest mode possible which encourages transit use. It's almost criminal to watch LIRR trains pass by while people have slow bus connections to a slow subway to the core. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 18 00:58:16 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Oct 17 19:56:01 2018. Do what every metropolitan region outside the US does with dense, frequent commuter rail and turnstile the systemIf we're too scared to get POP, then at minimum, turnstile every bloody platform into Nassau and Suffolk County. The techs for the turnstiles might end up being cheaper than conductors in the long run since you can contract that out... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 18 06:43:38 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 17 15:11:49 2018. right. you want that comfortable, quiet, less annoying train ride, ya gotta pay more. as heinlein put it, tanstaafl. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 18 07:26:06 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by BrooklynTrain on Wed Oct 17 22:04:19 2018. the best fare structure in this region is the $3.25 ticket price (all times) on the lirr babylon branch between babylon and rockville centre. afa distance traveled goes, nothing beats it.and the service, for a suburban train is excellent. it is the closest we have to a "super express" "local" train line. you could (and i have) live off this line car-free. connects to stores, supermarkets, libraries, movies, offices, government offices, parks, clubs, restaurants...and makes connections with numerous buses and the montauk branch. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 18 08:17:31 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 17 11:43:18 2018. On the LIRR through Queens off-peak, there are mostly empty trains and there are full trains. Long Beach trains tend to be the former, Ronkonkoma tend to be the latter. But it is hard to make a global fare policy to cover it all.At the very least, they should try to place the local stops on the Long Beach trains. Right now, there seems to be no policy. Babylon trains do KG and FH, others do Woodside, some do neither. |
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Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Thu Oct 18 10:05:59 2018, in response to New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Dave on Tue Oct 16 16:34:07 2018. I think this is a great vision to increase ridership and effectiveness of the comprehensive (really best-in-USA) transit network.Think of how much more effective the overall combined system could be if those crowding subway cars for the entire length of a trip, could (for the same price and not a 3x or 4x surcharge) transfer to commuter rail for the vast length of the trip. This would free up capacity in the subway and drive ridership up. The problem is (as witnessed by many of those on this thread) is that there is 100+ years of artificial balkanization between subway, commuter, and bus systems, that must be overcome. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 18 11:12:48 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 18 00:58:16 2018. I don't see how you can turnstile such a physically open system and all the stairways at Penn Station, some of whose platforms are used by other railroads.What would you do at Mineola, whose platform is flush with the streets ? Put up a 8' iron fence ? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 18 11:13:39 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Oct 17 19:56:01 2018. Commuter rail trains shouold not make any stops inside of the city. NJT doesn't do that!LIRR needs Jamaica for transfers, there need be no boarding there, 'cept for peeps going EAST. Ditto 125 and whatever other stops MNCR makes in the city. ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 18 11:15:02 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 18 11:13:39 2018. What city for NJT are you talking about ? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 18 11:17:21 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 18 00:58:16 2018. Then you would have to switp in and out. Not a bad idea, is done elsewhere.LION has discovered that for a senior citizen, NJT is cheaper than PATH. ROARING |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 18 11:20:40 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 18 11:17:21 2018. Newark (either station) - New York Penn is $2.45 senior, but a PATH trip can be had for an effective fare of $2.10. But Senior means 62 on NJT and 65 on PATH. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 18 11:51:15 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Thu Oct 18 10:05:59 2018. waste of time. there are not really many locations where there's equivalency regards to trip origination and destination. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 18 11:52:15 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 18 11:13:39 2018. Yeah..and that's why you arent in charge |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 18 11:54:09 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Thu Oct 18 10:05:59 2018. You said it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 18 12:26:25 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 18 11:15:02 2018. LOL. Of course, NJT does'nt have intermediate stops in NYC. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 18 12:28:44 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 18 00:54:37 2018. IAWTP. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 18 12:32:52 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Thu Oct 18 10:05:59 2018. IAWTP. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Oct 18 12:35:54 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 18 11:13:39 2018. One can ride between NYP and Newark on NJT (which can be comparable to GCT - Bronx and NYP and Queens) even though PATH travels between those two points. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 18 12:40:48 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Oct 18 12:35:54 2018. But not on the same PATH train. They have an historical aversion to doing that. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 18 14:51:49 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 18 11:12:48 2018. I don't see how you can turnstile such a physically open system and all the stairways at Penn Station, some of whose platforms are used by other railroads.In theory, you can pretty much work out a joint ticketing scheme and place the barriers at the entrance to Penn Station. Otherwise, a series of barriers at the entrance to the platforms is probably the most realistic solution. It's not too crazy given that the Japanese have insane ridership levels and they use gates. What would you do at Mineola, whose platform is flush with the streets ? Put up a 8' iron fence ? In theory, you could leave a bunch of readers with no fencing, but if needed, you'd probably have to fence off the platforms. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 18 16:04:06 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Thu Oct 18 10:05:59 2018. One of the reasons for the balkanization of commuter rail vs rapid transit has to do with the FRA which limits the interaction between the various types of rail transport, a problem which doesn’t exist in places like the U. K. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 18 16:20:57 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Thu Oct 18 10:05:59 2018. The problem is (as witnessed by many of those on this thread) is that there is 100+ years of artificial balkanization between subway, commuter, and bus systems, that must be overcome. There is simply no capacity in GCT to handle more than a tiny fraction of current subway passengers. I'm sure the same is true in Penn, but for GCT I can back it up by many personal observations. And yes, maybe there's nothing wrong with GCT capacity that a $100 billion couldn't cure, but there might be better ways to spend that money. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 18 16:46:26 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 18 11:15:02 2018. he he he... : ) |
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Posted by sloth on Thu Oct 18 18:05:43 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 18 00:58:16 2018. Can a turnstile back up a train? Another genius solution! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Oct 18 18:26:25 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Oct 17 09:22:24 2018. This may also be a bargaining tactic. He may be trying for an extreme position, but in reality he may only want a more integrated transit system. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 18 18:26:48 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 18 11:13:39 2018. Ditto 125 and whatever other stops MNCR makes in the city.Are you going to write the check for the $10 billion needed to serve locations within the city by subway that are currently only reasonably served by Metro North and LIRR? Riverdale, Spuyten Duyvil, Bayside, southeast Queens come to mind right away. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 18 18:42:00 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by 3-9 on Thu Oct 18 18:26:25 2018. in reality he may only want a more integrated transit systemI don't even understand what that means, other than maybe accepting Metrocards on weekends. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 18 19:04:27 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 18 18:42:00 2018. Actually to get the suburbanites "on board", allowing weekly/monthly rail tickets to zone 1 to come with unlimited metrocards free of charge in exchange would go a long way. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Oct 18 19:05:34 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 18 18:42:00 2018. Probably something that's not all that different than what people have been throwing around here. Using Metrocards to pay for fares within the city, or at least to buy tickets in general, transfers between commuter rail and subway/bus, things like that. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 18 19:09:46 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by sloth on Thu Oct 18 18:05:43 2018. Stupid comment of the day. There would still be *a* conductor (after all it's FRA mandated), just not all the collectors nor all the free rides for people who luck out and evade collection.It also lessens the danger to conductors by removing them from anything involving revenue. No arguing with non-paying customers, no walking around with cash. Not to mention actually being able to collect fares for suburb-to-suburb travel which for the most part is unofficially free outbound. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 18 19:27:11 2018, in response to Re: New York City Comptroller Proposes Plan to Integrate Commuter Rail, MTA, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 18 00:54:37 2018. Melbourne is the same. Zone system with same price whether you take Metro (which is their commuter rail) or Tram or Bus from A to B. For simplicity's sake they made some exceptions such that all trams max out at zone 2 despite going far enough that the corresponding commuter rail is more expensive.They also have automatic unlimited day passes, whereby once your daily fares reach the price of a day pass, it stops charging you. |
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