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Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by gold_12th on Fri Feb 9 12:11:41 2018 News story: http://qns.com/story/2018/02/07/study-determines-passenger-service-western-queens-freight-line-possible-hefty-price-tag/Summary: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/lower-montauk-exec-summary-jan2018.pdf 290 page Report: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/lower-montauk-final-report-jan2018.pdf Recommendations: - 10 station locations: the two termini stations at Long Island City and Jamaica. Eight intermediate stations located an average of one mile apart: Greenpoint Ave, Haberman, Grand/Flushing Aves., Fresh Pond, Metro Mall, 80 St, Woodhaven Blvd, and Richmond Hill. - Service hours: passenger service plan from 5am to 10pm, providing 6-minute peak and 15-minute off-peak headways Weekdays. Weekends 15 minutes. - Rail cars: (15 rail car fleet) FRA-compliant, diesel-powered Diesel Multiple Unit (DMU) equipment... similar to NJ Transit Riverline rail car. - Ridership: (potential) 21,000 weekday and 13,000 weekend daily riders; 5.8 million riders annually. - Fare revenues are estimated at $15 million annually assuming at a $2.75 fare, a free transfer to MTA Bus or Subway - Annual operations and maintenance costs are estimated at $55 million; - "Capital costs while maintaining freight service on the Branch are estimated at $2.2 billion, including substantial upgrades to rail infrastructure (track, signals, communications), new running track in key areas, new freight yard space to clear track for transit operations, transit vehicles, a storage and maintenance yard for transit vehicles, and property acquisition. Eliminating freight service altogether on the Branch – an option not analyzed in this study – would reduce total capital costs to about $1.1 billion. Value Capture financing, using a portion of the increase in property values induced by this new transit service, could potentially fund $300 million in bonds, or roughly 27% of total projected capital costs for passenger-only rail operations on the Branch and 14% of such costs under the analyzed option of both passenger and freight rail operations." - Queens Borough President Melinda Katz also supports the project and wants the line to be fully operational by 2030. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 9 13:06:21 2018, in response to Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gold_12th on Fri Feb 9 12:11:41 2018. So, only $213 million per mile. They always make up outrageous costs, don't they. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Feb 9 14:14:13 2018, in response to Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gold_12th on Fri Feb 9 12:11:41 2018. So aside from the capital outlay, the line would generate a net loss of $40 million annually. I could see why the MTA would be interested in doing the project immediately. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by lirr42 on Fri Feb 9 14:17:25 2018, in response to Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gold_12th on Fri Feb 9 12:11:41 2018. The cost estimates included in these studies have become less and less believable as time has gone on. What is likely happening is the true cost is being artificially inflated so agencies and politicians can use it as an excuse for not doing something.I still think the best use for the Lower Montauk Branch would be to restore it as regional rail in conjunction with a restoration of the Bay Ridge and Rockaway Beach Branches...they can restore the Montauk Cutoff and use the Sunnyside Loop so trains can access Queens Plaza, Hunterspoint Avenue, and NY-Penn Station (instead of just Long Island City, which is a fair distance from the 7...). Kills a couple birds with one stone. Though if they were going to go forward with a LIC to Jamaica shuttle idea, perhaps they could utilize the new platform F the LIRR is building at Jamaica and give the MTA a cop-out to not go through with cutting off Brooklyn service... |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by sloth on Fri Feb 9 23:10:31 2018, in response to Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gold_12th on Fri Feb 9 12:11:41 2018. Amazing how this turd of an idea just won't get flushed. 6-minute peak headways!! Stations at Bliss and Haberman!! And they'll get track space in Jamaica where? Perhaps they'll terminate at Morris Park and passengers can flag down a Brooklyn train at Boland's Landing. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 10 00:53:53 2018, in response to Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gold_12th on Fri Feb 9 12:11:41 2018. Sounds like a plan.Originally this was supposed to connect to the 63rd tunnel in the mid-80's. If they can get this project off the ground and somehow connect to Manhattan, it would be worth it. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 02:07:26 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 10 00:53:53 2018. How are they going to "somehow connect" a diesel train to Manhattan? |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 02:08:39 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by lirr42 on Fri Feb 9 14:17:25 2018. What is likely happening is the true cost is being artificially inflated so agencies and politicians can use it as an excuse for not doing something.Not just likely. Obviously. And as an excuse for not doing anything. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 10 07:04:12 2018, in response to Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gold_12th on Fri Feb 9 12:11:41 2018. How are they going to shoehorn this operation in and around NY&A freight, and where they are using one of the two tracks as a linear yard ?Money better spent adding a 3rd track to the Jamaica El so that it wouldn't be such a schlep, and then maybe the RBB off the Queens Blvd line. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 10 10:22:20 2018, in response to Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gold_12th on Fri Feb 9 12:11:41 2018. sheeit. i go along with reversion to commuter rail to l.i.c. refurbish two or three stations. all day service to idk...patchogue via main/central/montauk branches. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 10:48:10 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 10 07:04:12 2018. They're saying FRA-compliant DMUs.Will they use them on Greenport scoots too? (i.e. if they actually buy them) |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Feb 10 10:50:47 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 02:07:26 2018. How about electrifying it? For over $2 billion, that should be a given. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 10 11:20:04 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Feb 10 10:50:47 2018. Oh dear... Another Lower Montauk proposal. The line doesn't even belong to the LIRR any more.But it *IS* a right of way. If MTA (subways) wants to build a subway above the NY&A tracks, they are free to do so, for what good it will do them. It really does not have good connections either east or west. IF MTA (LIRR) wants to build a high-speed shortcut into downtown, they could build UNDER the NY&A and upon reaching LIC would bend SOUTH under the East River hitting Manhattan landfall around Avenue C and following that and other streets to a NEW LIRR/NJT station under the existing WTC PATH complex. LIRR trains would continue to Newark Airport, NJT trains would continue to La Guardia Airport. WTH: They can even pull freight through these tunnels during night time hours. Car fares from NS, CSX, and NY&A could cover a lot of the costs, and NY&A keeps their freight operations intact. THAT is the LION'S Suggestion. ROAR |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 10 11:22:07 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 10 11:20:04 2018. It does belong to the LIRR. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 10 11:24:19 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 10 11:22:07 2018. NOPE, those are NY&A tracks, they do the dispatching and maintenance. They are officially off of the LIRR books.ROAR |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 10 11:43:17 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 10 11:24:19 2018. Source?Their own web site says they operate over LIRR track. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 10 11:58:23 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 10 11:43:17 2018. Of course. The very report linked to by the OP says the tracks are LEASED to the NY&A by the LIRR. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 10 11:58:51 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 10 11:24:19 2018. Wrong. Leased to NY&A by LIRR. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 10 12:13:02 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 10:48:10 2018. The Nippon Sharyo DMUs seem to work well for SMART and UPX. That said, they said "River Line" style DMUs which makes me shudder. The N-S ones can run alongside freight without time separation. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 12:22:44 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 10 12:13:02 2018. They still claim "FRA compliant". But they'll also need high-platform DMUs.UPX having high-platform cars is ridiculous. They can't be used anywhere else on GO Transit's system. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 12:33:35 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 10 11:20:04 2018. If MTA (subways) wants to build a subway above the NY&A tracksThat's not a subway. And the MTA is never going to build a new el. This thing is not happening. The capital costs are about five times more per mile than most high-speed railroads. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 10 12:57:35 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 10 11:20:04 2018. ...connecting, down there, with the lirr via the atlantic ave line east river tunnel extension, said trains running to, oh, newark, nj penn station. screw it. add sleepers, cruise-train up the delaware river tobinghamton. thank you. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 10 13:51:21 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 10:48:10 2018. Those particular DMU's would need some redesign to clear 3rd rail. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 10 13:51:21 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 10:48:10 2018. Those particular DMU's would need some redesign to clear 3rd rail. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 10 13:52:30 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 10 12:13:02 2018. RiverLine cars are not FRA compliant. They are really D-LRT, not DMU. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 10 13:53:24 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 10 10:22:20 2018. Nobody rode it. That's why it's gone. |
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Posted by lirr42 on Sat Feb 10 14:18:01 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 10 07:04:12 2018. NY&AR needs to get better at managing its yard space...they seem to have an awful lot of cars sitting around not moving. Cars should be there for a day or two at most, before being moved to their destination or handed off to CSX.A large freight yard/transload facility at the Pilgrim State Hospital facility would be helpful for LI...when the train comes across from Oak Point send all cars bound for eastern LI immediately to Pilgrim and organize all other trains out of there, freight for city destinations can be kept in one of the Fresh Pond Yards or a middle track on the Bay Ridge Branch until it's ready to be sent out. They definitely shouldn't be using the main tracks as a yard! |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by lirr42 on Sat Feb 10 14:26:36 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 10 12:13:02 2018. The Nippon Sharyo DMU is what they showed on the cover of the study and would probably be a good fit if it was just a shuttle operation. They would be an excellent fit for East End rail service (i.e. Ronkonkoma-Greenport and Patchogue/Speonk-Montauk shuttle trains).The cars as they are would require modifications to fit around the third rail. If the MTA did not always foolishly have its head in the sand, they could've been a party to the initial design for SMART and UPX and had the cars designed to fit perfectly, but there's no such thing as foresight at the MTA these days. These DMU's would also be a nice fit for Waterbury Branch and NHHS service instead of the old trains they're using now. Between that, a fleet of DMU's for East End Rail service, and potentially this service, there should be enough demand to place an order for a slightly modified design. But when there is no will, there is no way... If the Lower Montauk was reactivated in concert with the Bay Ridge and Rockaway Beach Branches (killing multiple birds with one stone), I could imagine ridership being good enough for six or eight car diesel trains for the first term, then if ridership takes, electrify... |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Feb 10 15:34:08 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 10 12:13:02 2018. they said "River Line" style DMUs which makes me shudderYou're right. America doesn't deserve a diesel train that doesn't accelerate like a slug. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 10 15:59:46 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 12:33:35 2018. Yes, capital costs are far higher per inch in a city then they are out in the boondocks where high speed rails roam. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Feb 10 16:21:31 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by lirr42 on Sat Feb 10 14:18:01 2018. What ever happened to Demurrage? That is the costs charged to delivering railroads when the car is not returned to its home road in a timely manner? When the railroad or consignee dosen't unload /release the car, charges would mount up, say $20 a day after the first 3 days, then $40 for the next three, etc. If regs. like that were enforced or even still in effect, cars would not be laying around much. |
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Posted by jafo on Sat Feb 10 17:45:57 2018, in response to Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gold_12th on Fri Feb 9 12:11:41 2018. was reading the report, an wondered why not extend this from jamaica eastwards to rosedale or far rockaway? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 10 18:08:01 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 02:07:26 2018. that was the original plan. Electrify lwr Montauk Branch and then run through 63rd.If that had happened, industrial Maspeth would be lined with high rise condos, cross fit gyms, and dog parks. i think it's a waste of track to not connect residents to Manhattan. Instead, those neighborhoods are kind of isolated. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 10 19:18:12 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 10 18:08:01 2018. Good post. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Feb 10 23:00:56 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 10 18:08:01 2018. If we're talking about the Queens "super express," that wasn't supposed to have stops, so it wouldn't have encouraged any development along its path. It was just a bypass of Queens Blvd. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 11 00:12:16 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Feb 10 15:34:08 2018. The N-S DMUs on the UPX accelerate just as well as EMUs. River Line cars are too LRT for me to find appealing. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Feb 11 01:05:03 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 11 00:12:16 2018. The N-S DMUs on the UPX accelerate just as well as EMUs.In contrast, they were slightly better than the LIRR M-7s, but rather slow compared to Talents and LINTs, and a joke when compared to a FLIRT. River Line cars are too LRT for me to find appealing. In contrast, they're the best looking Stadler GTWs in the world. I don't mind the cars not resembling any mainline US rolling stock because we have *terrible* looking mainline rolling stock compared to Europe. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 11 08:49:31 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Feb 11 01:05:03 2018. I was thinking more the interior layout. That hallway between the two halves is also annoying... |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Feb 11 09:48:06 2018, in response to Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gold_12th on Fri Feb 9 12:11:41 2018. I find those ridership projections wildly unrealistic. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 11 10:22:45 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Feb 10 23:00:56 2018. I think the super express was different from this line. I think that went along the mane lion until it snaked back to the IND.Nah... Noting came of dat. I had a friend how lived in Maspeth just a few blocks from there. We could walk down to the IND, not even a hal mile from there, r two blocks to the Lower-M where there were no useful trains running. LIRR could have run more frewquent trains on that line, but where would the peeps go. They would not get to Hunterspoint. LIC is fine for laying up a few trains, but it is many twisted blocks from the (7) train. They did not have fairy boats in those dayze. Let NY&A keep that line, it is not really suitable for pax even if it is there. ROAR |
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Posted by lirr42 on Sun Feb 11 11:59:24 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 11 10:22:45 2018. Restoring the Lower Montauk just to Long Island City only would not make the most sense, as others have said. But if they also restored the Montauk Cutoff, they could use that and the Sunnyside Loop to connect Lower Montauk Branch trains to Sunnyside/Queens Plaza, Hunterspoint Avenue, and NY-Penn Station.That would make the line much more usable. Comparing the use of the line to anything we've seen in the last 50 or so years isn't really an appropriate comparison. When there's a single digit number of trains per day going to a disconnected terminal of course nobody is going to ride it. But if service is halfway frequent all day and the trains go to proper terminals with connections, I think it's an entirely different story... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 13:49:42 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Feb 10 10:50:47 2018. Why yes. Never mind reactivating the Montauk Cutoff and sending half of the trains to ESA and the other half to NYP. What was I thinking! Of course, there's more than enough in that estimate to send third rail all the way to Port Jefferson, Greenport and Montauk, but why underspend, eh? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 13:51:01 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 10 12:57:35 2018. If you're going to go to NWK, may as well send everything to EWR too (meaning the actual airport and not the "connecting station" to the soon-to-be-rebuilt/replaced monorail). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 13:51:54 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 10 15:59:46 2018. Nope, and not on an existing right of way. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 11 22:13:47 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 13:49:42 2018. The Lower Montauk should have been fed into ESA. Once it opens, between HPA, NYP and GCT the four mainline tracks are going to be overwhelmed before ever saturating the western terminal capacity. I'm betting LIRR will find they will be unable to even use all their NYP slots and will be thankful to MNRR subletting them for the New Haven line... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 09:55:03 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 10 00:53:53 2018. Passenger service on that line is very much a demand in if had good service. With the horrendous service it had until 1998, I even used it often enough when I lived in Ridgewood. I used the Fresh Pond station all the time, and also the Glendale one. it was so convenient to have a train there. Unfortunately, you were at the mercy of when the train came which was only once a day in the morning, and two at night. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 10:00:35 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 10 11:24:19 2018. Where do you get that from? the NY&A LEASES the tracks, and it is no longer LIRR freight operation. But no sale took place.The tax records show the LIRR owns it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 10:01:02 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 10 11:58:51 2018. Absolutely correct. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 10:01:58 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 10 12:57:35 2018. They don't even send normal LIRR trains to Newark, why would they do this one? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 10:05:20 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 10 07:04:12 2018. I don't know if the ROW has room for three tracks, but that's all they need. They only need one track for bidirectional freight, and two for passeneger. However, if they are using FRA accepted rolling stock, they do only need two. There is freight on that line of course, but it is not so much that they couldn't run with the trains, and if I am not mistaken, at night, the passenger trains wouldn't run, so a lot of freight could run then. It's only between Fresh Pond Junction (where the Bushwick tracks leave), and Jamaica that the freight really runs. It's fairly minimal west of Fresh Pond junction (the site of the old Fresh Pond LIRR station). |
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