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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 25 09:57:37 2017 Tuscarora Almanac – June 25, 1888 – The Book of First Runs Brooklyn, New York Union Elevated Railroad Company The first section of the Broadway elevated line that we know todays as the Broadway-Brooklyn Line is placed in service. It extends westward from Gates Avenue, where it connects to the Lexington Avenue Line, along Broadway to Driggs Avenue. Source: New York Division Bulletin / June 1997, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac – June 25, 1933 – The Book of First and Last Runs Manhattan, New York Second Avenue Railroad Company The Second Avenue Streetcar Line is converted to bus operation. Streetcar service had been run by the Second Avenue Railroad Company. Bus service will be operated by the East Side Omnibus Corporation as the M-15. Source: New York Division Bulletin /June 1990, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac - June 25, 1946 - The Book of Wrecks Saint George, New York Staten Island Rapid Transit Railway New York City Department of Marine & Aviation A massive nine alarm fire destroys the ferry and railroad terminal in Saint George. The fire broke was reported at 1:58 PM. The ferry boat MISS NEW YORK departed at 2:00 PM with about 500 passengers. Shortly after that the entire turned burst into flames. New York City fireboats, US Navy and Coast Guard tugs combined to battle the blaze. Additional fire companies arrived from Brooklyn on the 69th Street Ferry (Its slips were removed from the main terminal) and Manhattan by way of the Holland Tunnel and the Bayonne Bridge. Six hundred sailors from the Naval Base in Tomkinsville were also called in to help battle the blaze. There was no saving the terminal but it took 67 hours to extinguish the flames. Three people died and 289, mostly firemen were injured. Among the dead were Mrs. Cornelius White, a railroad ticket agent and fireman Harold F. Clandening. Ferry service to Whitehall Street resumed on June 28 using the slips of the 39th Street-Brooklyn ferry which was permanently discontinued. Trains from Tottenville and South Beach terminated at Tompkinsville station. Trains from the North Shore end at Pier 6. The fire destroyed eight of the ME-1 electric rail cars; 307, 313, 316, 322, 333, 351, 377 and 390. Source: 1) "Staten Island Rapid Transit"(Silver Leaf Publications /1965) by Mr. Paul Matus 2) Passenger Car Roster of the SIRTRyCo. by Mr. Larry Kiss (1966) 3) “Staten Island Ferry (Arcadia Publishing/2014) 4) “Over & Back” (Fordham University Press /1990) by Mr. Brian J. Cudahy Tuscarora Almanac - June 25, 1993 - The Book of Last Runs New York City Transit Authority IND Division The last train of R-30’s and R-30A’s ran in service today on the “C” Concourse-8th Avenue-Fulton Street Local. The consist was R-30A 8408-8397 R-30 8322-8305 R-30 8298-8295 R-30A 8396-8393 The R-30's and the R-30A's along with the R-27's formed a homogenous group of 550 subway cars that came to dominate the southern Section of the BMT Division in the 1960's. The first units arrived in late 1960 and permitted the retirement of almost all of the un-rebuilt Standards along with the Multis, SIRT cars and the Lo-V's (on the BMT Division. The cars were arranged in "married pairs” . The even numbered car had the motor generator while the odd numbered car had the air compressor. For better or worse the roll-signs introduced BMT riders to subway routes which would now be identified by "letters." The original paint scheme was olive green on the outside with blue and gray interiors. They also featured coral pink fiberglass seats. After the opening of the Chrystie Street Subway in November 1967 they would see operation on much of the IND Division as well. As a group they suffered mightily from the lack of deferred maintenance and the general deterioration in the 1970's and early 1980's. In the mid - eighties 162 R-30's and R-30A's received a limited GOH (General Overhaul) which enabled them to soldier on for another eight years. Credit where it’s due Department: The consist of the last train comes from the New York Division Bulletin of September 1993. Source: New York Division Bulletin / January 1996, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jun 25 11:35:08 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 25 09:57:37 2017. You are there.FDNY Fireboat "James Duane" at the smoldering remains of the Staten Island Ferry Terminal fire in 1946. Photo courtesy of Al Tronjanowicz.   Retired FDNY Fireboat 2. The "John J. Harvey" Served the City of New York from 1931 to 1999 and beyond (famously coming out of retirement on 9-11-01) 
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 25 12:20:09 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jun 25 11:35:08 2017. Those are great pictures. Thank you for posting them. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jun 25 12:38:47 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 25 12:20:09 2017. When ever you post the Tuscarora Almanac I alert my Research and Development minions for pertinent graphic items.They sometimes fail, or none is available. We do what we can, from the info you make available to Subchaters. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 26 07:01:15 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 25 09:57:37 2017. Thanks as always!!Do you know what caused the fire at St. George Terminal? Also, with the loss of 8 cars, that event was the beginning of the end of South Beach and North Shore service on the SIRT. Regarding the R27/30s... I realize that many BMT purists to this day don't like that route letters got introduced there, but I think it makes a lot of sense. Another thing- as a little kid, I didn't like those cars. My mom made me ride them into Manhattan, when I'd much have preferred to take and E or F which likely had an R44/46. But in late 1978, I saw some R27/30s (didn't know which) had an early version of the interior Redbird scheme, and I started to like 'em a little better. And yes, at under 35 years of age, they did have a short life. The R27s barely made it to 30. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jun 26 07:46:22 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 26 07:01:15 2017. Do you know what caused the fire at St. George Terminal? No one seems to know for sure. There are several conflicting accounts. What is known is that the first alarmed was raised at 1:58 PM. The entire terminal was engulfed in flames in a very short time. Also, with the loss of 8 cars, that event was the beginning of the end of South Beach and North Shore service on the SIRT. Staten Island was sparsely populated in the late 1940's and 50's. The Arlington Line ran with two car during the rush hours and one car at all other times. The South Beach Line always ran with one car. Automobile ownership increased dramatically after World War II. The auto gave provided a great deal of flexibility to many people. This caused a loss of revenue to many rail lines and the SIRT was no exception. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 26 08:21:32 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jun 26 07:46:22 2017. Yeah, I know many factors doomed the Arlington and South Beach branches. The ironic thing is that I bet if they existed today, they'd be heavily patronized, and no politician would dare let them die. Alas :(Also, regarding the fire, I'm also sure that nowadays, there's no way the public would accept the cause not being determined. It was a huge structure to be destroyed that quickly. If I had to guess- and it would be just a guess- maybe it was an electrical issue, or improper storage of fuel or flammable material that did it. I know after the 1991 fire at Whitehall (attributed initially to homeless people in the cockloft area, but ultimately also undetermined) , the SI Advance documented that homeless people were setting fires for warmth at St. George- right near barrels of diesel fuel and/or waste oil!! |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jun 26 09:11:10 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 26 08:21:32 2017. Main: It didn't take much to burn down those old wooden structures on the waterfront. I remember many pier fires. Also a lot of people smoked in those days and the fire codes were not as strong. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jun 26 09:38:17 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 26 07:01:15 2017. The R32 signage confused Southern Division riders more than R27/30 signage.The R27/30 had for the RR Broadway 4th Ave Local. QT had Broadway Brighton Local via Tunnel, QB same but via Bridge. Weekends they laid up the Standards and DTypes and ran these on the N: Broadway Sea Beach Express, T Broadway West End Express and Tt West End Local. Weekend passengers therefore knew the letters. But when the M-F only commuters came upon the new R32's with their Broadway Express and Broadway Local designations, except for the TT West End Local, they were confused. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Jun 26 10:11:09 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 25 09:57:37 2017. The new Staten Island Ferry Terminal was quite a marvel for its day, including new bus ramps and SIRT terminal. A vast improvement replaced it |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 26 13:57:39 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jun 26 09:11:10 2017. Yeah, I suppose that's so as well.I remember the burned out piers along the abandoned West Side Highway. I'm not old enough to remember the actual fires that burned them. On a side note-, although the West Side Hwy was open during my lifetime, I don't remember it. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Jun 26 14:23:51 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 26 13:57:39 2017. I remember seeing the Normandie rolled over on its side in 1942. |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon Jun 26 14:26:29 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 26 13:57:39 2017. Da west side highway is really da henry hudson parkway.they just named da west sid highway in a stupid way. chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 26 14:28:47 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 26 13:57:39 2017. I remember great fires around 1980. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jun 26 14:38:16 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by VictorM on Mon Jun 26 14:23:51 2017. I remember seeing the Normandie rolled over on its side in 1942. Now that was something to see. She laid on her side for a year before they were able to right her. They had hoped to convert her to a transport but the damaged caused by the fire was too great. She was scrapped about 1945-6. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 15:15:48 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jun 26 14:38:16 2017. If I recall what I read, the Normandie was in the process of being converted to a transport when the fire occurred. One of the stories was that a spark from a welder’s torch might have been the cause of the fire. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 15:17:30 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by chud1 on Mon Jun 26 14:26:29 2017. I think that only the portion of the highway above 59 St is actually the Henry Hudson Pky. The remainder of the road was not a parkway and as such trucks were permitted there. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 26 15:28:55 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 15:17:30 2017. You are correct . The official name of the portion south of 59th was the Miller Elevated Highway. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 15:38:16 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jun 26 09:38:17 2017. Tha was because of the Manhattan centric mentality of what passed for TA management at the time. The BMT was unique in that its route names were used whether the trains operated via Bway or Nassau St un like the iND which used different letters to describe specific branch to trunk line combinations. In addition, the decision with the R-32s and 38s was based on the theory that the IRT and IND divisions had only the Manhattan trunk lines on their route signs and not the branch line, so why should the BMT include the branch names. The cesspool of incompetence that passed and continues to pass for TA management and planning totally ignored the fact that unlike the other two divisions, the BMT had almost all its Southern Division branches going to a common terminal, Coney Island. By the time the planners realized what they should have already known it was too late to make any changes so the TA posted signs at principal BMT stations informing passengers to “Know trains at a glance.” In addition to that particular faux pas, the TA for some reason included a “C/8 Ave Exp” on the roll sign, a service which AFAIK would not be operated in the near future, but neglected to include a “B/6 Ave Exp” which was planned to be operated. Actually, at the time when single letters meant exp and double letters meant lcl, the roll signs should have contained single and double letter signs for ALL routes. The so called planners also ignored the existence of the 4Av Bankers special which should have had signs for “R/4 Ave Exp” and the Brighton Bankers' special which should have had “Q/Brighton Exp.” The Eastern Div signs were another gross mistake as they described the 3 Bway Bkln routes as Nassau St even though 2 of them never actually ran on Nassau St at all but only operated under Centre St as far as Chambers St. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 26 16:08:17 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 26 15:28:55 2017. 72nd was the dividing line, not 59th. As a result, a portion of the Miller Elevated Highway still exists and remains in use. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 26 16:17:44 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 15:38:16 2017. The BMT was the Rodney Dangerfield of the system. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 17:22:44 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 26 16:08:17 2017. Thanks for the clarification. I wasn’t really sure where one began and the other ended. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 17:23:44 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 26 16:17:44 2017. It may have been, but from the R-16s to the 32s, it got the newest equipment. |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon Jun 26 18:28:05 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 15:17:30 2017. u could be right, but i think its da henry hudson all da way to da end.chud1. |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon Jun 26 18:33:14 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 17:22:44 2017. thanks for that info.chud1. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 26 20:46:39 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 17:23:44 2017. Fair enough. The R-16s helped ease a chronic shortage of steel subway cars while the R-27/30s and R-32s replaced the Triplexes and unrebuilt BMT standards. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 27 14:16:06 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 26 20:46:39 2017. Even before the R-16s and a few R-10s, the Eastern Division had the newest equipment, the Multis and the Bluebird. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 27 14:20:50 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 26 15:15:48 2017. I believe that is the accepted version. I guess from Larry's post that even after the fire, they looked into fixing it- but could not. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 27 14:23:44 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jun 26 09:38:17 2017. Thanks. I can see that people would've been confused. I also suppose it makes sense to rest the older equipment on weekends, so that it's less likely to break down and need repairs when scrapping is imminent anyway... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 27 14:29:24 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 26 14:28:47 2017. I must've missed that. I was 12 that year- but more in tune with the news than most kids. I do remember being in the car with my Dad driving on West Street in 1980-81. I saw all the abandoned and burned piers, the abandoned but still standing elevated highway (except for the portion between Jane and West 26th Streets that was demolished in 1977 or '78 {and included the collapsed portion by Gansevoort), and people using it as an unauthorized high line.It was also in 1980 that I noticed Desbrosses Street. How could one miss a name like that, right? I even knew from watching the news about how a piece had collapsed and the part of the highway around it were demolished. I also remember the enormous 1978 warehouse fire in Bushwick. But I don't recall the actual pier fires. Wish I did... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 27 14:31:04 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by northshore on Mon Jun 26 10:11:09 2017. Yeah, that 1950s building was very functional. But ugly as all f***. Actually, most of it is still there- only the main entry hall was really replaced. The rest of it was just cleaned and painted. Even that helped!! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jun 27 15:34:43 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 26 16:08:17 2017. Good point. That portion now has the commemorative name of Joe DiMaggio Highway. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jun 27 15:38:36 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by chud1 on Mon Jun 26 18:28:05 2017. Nope. See my and Spider's posts. Never was HHP below 72nd. That was Miller Elevated Highway. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jun 27 15:52:19 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jun 27 15:38:36 2017. i stand corrected italianstallion.thanks for da info. chud1 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 27 23:28:47 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 25 09:57:37 2017. To me, the R27/30 reminds me of them on the RR, the B, the M, and the J |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 28 14:11:46 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 27 23:28:47 2017. There were fewer R-027/30s on the B than on any of the other lines. When I was a M/M on the B in early 1970, it was very rare to get anything but an R-32 and the occasional 42 on the B. There were more R-27/30s on the D than on the B. |
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Posted by W.B. on Fri Jun 22 05:35:44 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 25 09:57:37 2017. As will be dealt with in a future Bus Almanac on BusChat, the East Side's Second Avenue "bustitution" in 1933 was part of a series of inaugurals of new bus routes on June 26, at 12:01 A.M. (Of that group of five routes, two were ultimately combined after one-way conversions, and two routes disappeared in or just before World War II.) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 22 11:18:30 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by W.B. on Fri Jun 22 05:35:44 2018. I have a question about the First Avenue Line but I will wait for the almanac entry. |
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Posted by W.B. on Fri Jun 22 13:19:28 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 22 11:18:30 2018. Depending on the content, your question may be answered. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 22 17:29:08 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by VictorM on Mon Jun 26 14:23:51 2017. My father remembered seeing the Normandie in this condition also.There is a photo of this - appeared the newspapers or Life mag.? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 23 16:16:43 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 27 14:20:50 2017. Although that was probably what actually happened, one of the leading “Godfathers” of organized crime who was incarcerated at the time decided to accept “responsibility” for it to convince local politicians that the mob had a higher degree of influence on the docks that in actually had in hopes of securing his release. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jun 23 20:58:25 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 23 16:16:43 2018. My bad bro.😑Thought there was an error in the header concerning the date. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jun 23 21:09:20 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 23 16:16:43 2018. re: the mob had a higher degree of influence on the docks that in actually had in hopes of securing his release.this is interesting. There was a feature article, long time ago, 1976-78 in Rolling Stone - don't remember what its focus was, organized crime, dishonest union practices etc. But the article spoke of organized crime's influence throughout the docks and made it sound like they had the area close to being sewn up. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 24 01:20:09 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jun 23 21:09:20 2018. From what I have seen from historical sources, they actually did which is why the feds ended up soliciting the help of the mob to help catch foreign spies during WWII. The Big Capo just used the Normandie incident as a form of insurance. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Jun 24 02:36:58 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 24 01:20:09 2018. re: feds soliciting the mob [on the docks] to catch foreign spies during WW IIyes, this rings a bell - I think this was covered in that article too. If I had the complete set of Rolling Stones published on CDR a few years back, I could have found the article. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sun Jun 24 23:24:45 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by VictorM on Mon Jun 26 14:23:51 2017. I'm too young to have seen it in person, but for the curious, there's a truly engrossing and detailed account of the Normandie's burning in John Maxtone-Graham's book The Only Way to Cross. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon Jun 25 02:34:50 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 28 14:11:46 2017. Yes but from 1979-1984 they were plentiful on the B. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 25 14:04:08 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for June 25, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 28 14:11:46 2017. By the early 70s,the Eastern division practically owed the 27/30s.The R1/9 took over the J and L almost completely at one point until 1976..then exclusively on the J while the M and L used R 16s,27,30 and whatever could be thrown together to make service. 1977 saw the end of the old city cars,and the R27/30s returned fully to the east,along with more 16s. The 16s ruled the Jamaica line Again during the 80s. |
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