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Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jun 14 22:10:02 2015, in response to A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by SLRT on Sun Jun 14 21:43:04 2015. Having a train change its identity halfway through its trip, would create all kinds of chaos. |
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Posted by Andy on Sun Jun 14 22:12:12 2015, in response to A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by SLRT on Sun Jun 14 21:43:04 2015. Just run it 57th Street, which has been done before during planned service changes, by using the crossover just south of 57th St. Station. Then there is no confusion (Upper Manhattan or Queens terminus) and anyone who wants to continue to Queens just takes the F on the same platform. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 14 22:48:17 2015, in response to A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by SLRT on Sun Jun 14 21:43:04 2015. First off It's against the rules to change a train's ID mid trip, causes more confusion than fixesSecondly, Don't encourage him... |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Jun 14 23:44:15 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jun 14 22:10:02 2015. It's done in San Francisco. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jun 15 02:40:44 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by italianstallion on Sun Jun 14 23:44:15 2015. It was done in NYC too, in regular service, |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jun 15 02:52:35 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Andy on Sun Jun 14 22:12:12 2015. Except that would interfere with the (F) potentially.That's why I would have the (M) go to 145 on weekends since it would not be able to interfere with any other line (the part of running on CPW would be a bonus for people there). Since the (M) already has different terminals on weekends I doubt that many would be confused, especially if posted signs made it CLEAR that the (M): WEEKDAYS goes to 71st-Continental in Queens WEEKENDS goes to 145th Street-8th Avenue in Manhattan. Not perfect, but it solves the problem of the (M) going to 71-Continental on weekends. |
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Posted by Stef on Mon Jun 15 03:08:39 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jun 15 02:52:35 2015. So Wally, do you propose keeping OPTO in effect while the M runs to 145th St?4 Car R160 Trains on Central Park West...Is it practical? -Stef |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 15 03:14:52 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Stef on Mon Jun 15 03:08:39 2015. Now *THAT* would be amusing. :) |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Jun 15 03:31:38 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jun 15 02:52:35 2015. Since the (M) already has different terminals on weekends I doubt that many would be confused, especially if posted signs made it CLEAR that the (M): Huh? The current weekend terminal is just a truncation of the existing service (the Q terminating at 57/7 on weekends and the M terminating at Myrtle/Broadway late nights are the same idea). Sending it to a different route entirely is a completely different matter! |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 15 08:31:58 2015, in response to A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by SLRT on Sun Jun 14 21:43:04 2015. Better: the whole northbound trip is labeled B and the whole southbound trip is labeled M. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jun 15 10:41:04 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jun 15 02:40:44 2015. It was? Please explain. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jun 15 11:37:56 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Allan on Mon Jun 15 10:41:04 2015. I think when Queensbridge (and the 63rd St line) first opened, they needed an overnight service and the F was elected, but initially rather than having three different lines going there regularly (the Q on weekdays, the B on weekends, and the F late nights), they thought it better to just designate the F trains as "Q" overnight once they got to Broadway Lafayette. I guess the main objective being met there was making sure people on 6th Ave at night didn't get on an F thinking they were headed for Eastern Queens. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jun 15 17:16:17 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Stef on Mon Jun 15 03:08:39 2015. I think that can be done (OPTO 4-car trains):Don't forget, the CPW portion would be extra service just being done because 145th is the easiest place to turn. Main purpose would be to have 6th Avenue service on weekends. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jun 15 17:18:03 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by K. Trout on Mon Jun 15 03:31:38 2015. Actually, it would only be on a different route on it's northern end for very specific reasons:1. Not being able to do track work on QB to run to 71-Continental on weekends. 2. 145 is in this scenario the easiest place to turn. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 15 17:38:24 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 15 03:14:52 2015. Back in the pre Chrystie days of the IND, Sat AA service was provided by 4 car trains of R-9s and on Sun, 3 car trains of R-9s. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 15 17:40:29 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jun 15 17:18:03 2015. It's still a different route regardless of how you spin it! |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 15 17:41:19 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 14 22:48:17 2015. It wasn’t against any rules when the F/Q did it in the late 1980s. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 15 17:45:07 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 15 17:38:24 2015. Yep, and then once the connection was made it was always nice, shiny R32's. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 15 18:36:30 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 15 17:45:07 2015. Not always. The AA/B still had its share of R-1/9s and i had a few trains of them as late as 1969. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 15 19:20:29 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 15 18:36:30 2015. You had a smattering of old timers to supplement service when needed. I'm 99.9% positive those AA trains we rode on those two Sundays in May of 1967 were three cars apiece, |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 15 19:21:23 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 15 17:40:29 2015. Well, M can stand for Metamorphosis.:) |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Jun 15 22:17:06 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 15 17:40:29 2015. Might as well revive the K name at that rate. At least you'd be consistent: the M and B would always follow the same route (taking into account truncations), the new service would follow the new pattern. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 15 22:41:23 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 15 18:36:30 2015. True, but having worked cuts and adds at 168 here and there, they made pretty sure that only 32's went out as AA's. Never cut an arnine for that service on weekdays at least. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Jun 16 00:58:02 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 15 17:45:07 2015. And, in late 69, a smattering of brand new, ice-cold 46xx series R42s, with a big magenta "AA" sign.wayne |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 16 01:04:50 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Jun 16 00:58:02 2015. Yep! I always smiled on the rare occasion that my interval had 42's. Frrrrrrosty! :) |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jun 16 07:46:14 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 14 22:48:17 2015. First off It's against the rules to change a train's ID mid trip, causes more confusion than fixesWhat rules are these? I don't recall any such "rules" in effect back in 2009. Secondly, Don't encourage him... Yes, heaven forbid there be discussion on a discussion board. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 16 07:52:16 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by The Silence on Sun Jun 14 22:48:17 2015. LOL what rules? The same rules you are wrong about concerning PATH being a RR and SIR being under FRA? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 16 07:53:36 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 16 07:52:16 2015. *PATH not being a subway, is what I meant. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Jun 16 08:32:53 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 16 07:52:16 2015. Transit's rules. notice how it's the dumbasses who've never worked there who rush to "correct" me with more false information.NTSB report on the 2011 PATH accident in Hoboken, which uses Railroad terminonlgy, because it's a railroad Federal Railroad Administration PTC list that names PATH under their jurisdiction Now go suck on a ham bone. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Jun 16 08:34:27 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by WillD on Tue Jun 16 07:46:14 2015. I have it on good word from some actual t/o's, not you of the arm chair variety. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 16 09:08:31 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by The Silence on Tue Jun 16 08:32:53 2015. He already corrected himself. Your links do not refute his corrected claim. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 16 09:28:47 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 16 09:08:31 2015. Is that your really considered opinion, or are you simply offended by the remark about a ham bone? |
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Posted by The silence on Tue Jun 16 10:02:28 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 16 09:08:31 2015. My links do refute his claim as he claims PATH is a subway. It's not. It's a railroad. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jun 16 10:08:53 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Jun 16 00:58:02 2015.  Joe Testagrose image And of course, the "Darth Vader" brakes :) |
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Posted by jasonnyc on Tue Jun 16 10:29:23 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Allan on Mon Jun 15 10:41:04 2015. This isn't regular service but it's interesting... I've been on a 5 rerouted to the west side IRT due to a service disruption, and it changed itself to a 2 train at 135th. Granted the terminal is the same, and it would run local in Brooklyn, but it made me do a double-take. I feel that those of us that ride the IRT in Manhattan are used to seeing the 2 on the 5 or vice versa already. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jun 16 10:36:52 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by The silence on Tue Jun 16 10:02:28 2015. It is a subway governed by the FRA. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jun 16 11:04:33 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by jasonnyc on Tue Jun 16 10:29:23 2015. One time a train of R40 slants on the orange Q coming down from Manhattan couldn't gain access to the Brighton Line for whatever reason so it was sent via the West End and around Coney Island to get to Brighton Beach. The side roll signs stayed as Q but the driver changed the front sign to B (the West End service at the time). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 16 12:08:21 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by R30A on Tue Jun 16 10:36:52 2015. Yes. It is a subway and an FRA-regulated railroad. TP didn't claim (after correcting his initial error) that PATH was not an FRA-regulated railroad. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 16 12:40:29 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 16 12:08:21 2015. Right. It's an FRA-regulated railroad that is viewed by 99% of the populace that thinks about it at all as a subway. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 16 14:41:33 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 15 19:20:29 2015. That would be correct. Normal Sunday car service on the AA and I believe also the GG was 3 cars. Sometime in late 1958 to early 1959, some R-10s showed upon the weekend AA in the same consists as the R-9s. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 16 14:43:07 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 15 22:41:23 2015. In the summer of 1969, I was working a AA job and had an 8 car train of R-9s on a missy AA trip so they occasionally let and R-9 slip through the cracks. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 16 14:53:59 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 16 14:43:07 2015. I was doing it in '71 if that helps, Arnines stayed on the Concourse then. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 16 15:12:11 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by The Silence on Tue Jun 16 08:34:27 2015. It wouldn’t be against the rules if it’s ordered by MTA management. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 16 19:43:56 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 16 12:40:29 2015. Correct. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 16 19:44:12 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 16 12:08:21 2015. Exactly. Thank you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 16 19:44:24 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by R30A on Tue Jun 16 10:36:52 2015. Yep. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 16 19:44:44 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 16 09:08:31 2015. Right on. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 16 19:59:20 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by The Silence on Tue Jun 16 08:32:53 2015. You mean dumbasses like you, you antisemite? Where is everyone rushing to defend you? That's right, no one is. As I stated in my previous post, you are quite often wrong about "rules" and nothing you just posted changes that. Oh, and learn how to read. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 16 20:32:43 2015, in response to Re: A Way to Run the M to Midtown on Weekends, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 16 01:04:50 2015. How often did you get to run them? I presume they were back to running solid trains by the time you were in the cab. |
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